Park Life 71 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) This thread is actually a testament to the idiocy ingrained in the English game. If you want to play Hatem then you need two shuttling DM's (which we play every game anyway, sometimes three with Gouff spending the whole game in our half). The 2 DM's cover the full backs rather than the wide midfielder. When one DM goes out wide to cover then the other moves into the center and so on...I would also argue that Hazard has become less effective under Mourinho, his attacking stats have really dropped off over the last year or so. Blokes knackered running back. The whole of last year Chelsea had real trouble scoring goals often against much weaker sides. <------------Tiote..........Abeid-----------> .........................Ginge......................... AM/F.......................................AM/F .........................Striker........................ Edited December 19, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatty 24 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Gouffran's "grafting" is apparently worth more to the side. How depressing that that's the case Ben Arfa total minutes in PL an EL for NUFC: 4648 Goals: 13 Assists: 11 Minutes per goal: ~357 (~4 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~422 (~4.7 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~193 (~2.15 games per assist/goal) Yoan Gouffran total minutes in PL for NUFC: 4740 Goals: 9 Assists: 4 Minutes per goal: ~527 (~5.85 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~1185 (~13.16 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~364 (~4 games per goal/assist) (Just stealing these from n-o, reference goes to Smal - ta, Smal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Probably goes without saying, but you aren't really comparing like with like for Ben Arfa and Gouffran. Gouffran does track back, and does help out defensively (supposedly). To accurately measure their relative worth, you'd have to consider measuring those stats as well. Pardew might well argue that having Gouffran over Ben Arfa has won the side more points through solid defending. I do of course accept that both players are attackers - and on that basis Ben Arfa is clearly superior - but taken overall for Pardew's style, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gouffran was a more valuable player to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Probably goes without saying, but you aren't really comparing like with like for Ben Arfa and Gouffran. Gouffran does track back, and does help out defensively (supposedly). To accurately measure their relative worth, you'd have to consider measuring those stats as well. Pardew might well argue that having Gouffran over Ben Arfa has won the side more points through solid defending. I do of course accept that both players are attackers - and on that basis Ben Arfa is clearly superior - but taken overall for Pardew's style, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gouffran was a more valuable player to him. For some wierd reason Pardew often gives scatty roles to players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKANDWHITEGEORDIE 0 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Probably goes without saying, but you aren't really comparing like with like for Ben Arfa and Gouffran. Gouffran does track back, and does help out defensively (supposedly). To accurately measure their relative worth, you'd have to consider measuring those stats as well. Pardew might well argue that having Gouffran over Ben Arfa has won the side more points through solid defending. I do of course accept that both players are attackers - and on that basis Ben Arfa is clearly superior - but taken overall for Pardew's style, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gouffran was a more valuable player to him. Probably goes without saying, but you aren't really comparing like with like for Ben Arfa and Gouffran. Gouffran does track back, and does help out defensively (supposedly). To accurately measure their relative worth, you'd have to consider measuring those stats as well. Pardew might well argue that having Gouffran over Ben Arfa has won the side more points through solid defending. I do of course accept that both players are attackers - and on that basis Ben Arfa is clearly superior - but taken overall for Pardew's style, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gouffran was a more valuable player to him. It is ludicrous to even try and compare HBA with Gouffran. One has a football brain the other ??????. As for defending if my life depended on it Gouffran wouldn't even be in my top 100. Like a number of French players Gouffran started off well but he soon realised that with a Manager like Pardew you do not have to maintain maximum effort so he didn't. His goals have dried up and as for defending the opposition must have a good laugh when he tries and fails miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44851 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 One gets a game in the Premier League. The other.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 In a team that keeps getting spanked 3 and 4 nil when he plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The ironic thing is that Gouffran is selected because of his defensive capabities, lol, why not use Anita there instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It;s more the system that is ingrained through all levels of the German setup plus the huge leap in technique in the new generation of German players. This 'hard work' stuff is just bollock we're fed in Eng. Withough skill and tactical overview 'hard work' get you nowhere. It's both. Can't play the high pressing game that has served the club and national sides so well without the graft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ben Arfa total minutes in PL an EL for NUFC: 4648 Goals: 13 Assists: 11 Minutes per goal: ~357 (~4 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~422 (~4.7 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~193 (~2.15 games per assist/goal) Yoan Gouffran total minutes in PL for NUFC: 4740 Goals: 9 Assists: 4 Minutes per goal: ~527 (~5.85 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~1185 (~13.16 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~364 (~4 games per goal/assist) (Just stealing these from n-o, reference goes to Smal - ta, Smal) It lacks the stats for amount of games won, if Pardew is right we should lose way more games having Ben Arfa in the team than Gouffran, because Gouffran does more backward runs and "helps" out defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17246 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Au revoir, Bon chance encore une fois ma cherie, joyeaux noël, from Ant @ toontastic.com http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/awol-newcastle-hull-man-hatem-ben-arfa-reacjes-verbally-agreement-to-join-nice-nice-matin/? Managed by Claude Puel who had him at Lyon if it goes through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44851 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Sacre bleu! Pourqois pas Milan?! OU ETES VOUS MILAN?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 No comprende arrivederchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatty 24 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Coming home, January 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Good news. Been told to report for 1st team training. The return of the REAL KIng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44851 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 He's gonna be like a house end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 You pick on him because you love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44851 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It's coz there's so much to pick on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44851 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I'm worried Milan are gonna come in and snap him up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I had a dream(or was it nightmare) that BenArfa returned to the fold slim & feisty determined to prove his worth, prove he wasn't Pardewed anymore, prove Stevie Bruce didn't bring out the best in him, prove he loved Newcassel and be the star he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Meanwhile Ben Arfa is dreaming of a cheese savoury stottie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15523 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Aren't we all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty 4 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Off to Nice http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30665531 Edited January 3, 2015 by Besty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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