Dr Gloom 21790 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Lack of professionalism could mean lots of things. Maybe he doesn't take training seriously enough. Maybe he doesn't follow tactical instructions. With the weight thing, if he's already been warned about his professionalism/fitness, then it's going to be a bigger deal than if it was an isolated incident. Like being 30 minutes late for work after being repeatedly warned about your timekeeping versus a model employee having an off-day. And it's all very well saying you have to make exceptions for particular talents, but it hardly inspires the rest of the team to work as hard as possible if you see someone be allowed more leeway than others. Sometimes you have to set an example to keep everyone else working hard. Having said that none of us have actually any idea what goes on behind the scenes so it's all just speculation, and I think most of us can agree that we wish he'd be in the team. except for CT, he likes to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Horse's cack. I categorically reject any claims that Ferguson wasn't a good man manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Horse's cack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 And it's all very well saying you have to make exceptions for particular talents, but it hardly inspires the rest of the team to work as hard as possible if you see someone be allowed more leeway than others. Sometimes you have to set an example to keep everyone else working hard. Except when that one person makes the difference more often than not. Beresford famously complained about having to work twice as hard because of Ginola until he realised just how good he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34765 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 And it's all very well saying you have to make exceptions for particular talents, but it hardly inspires the rest of the team to work as hard as possible if you see someone be allowed more leeway than others. Sometimes you have to set an example to keep everyone else working hard. Obviously, there's no perfect method but what do you reckon worked better: Robson's pandering to egos or Souness' my way or the high way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6471 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Ferguson wanted the drinking culture removed from Man Utd though. Cant argue with his end results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Put it this way, if Pardew cannot manage to get the best performances from Ben Arfa or Marveaux; both slight, creative, mercurial footballers... how's he going to manage Cabella; a slight, creative, mercurial footballer? Should we cut our losses with Cabella too? What about Ferreyra, a striker known to have issues with confidence? I mean Pardew hasn't exactly returned Cisse to his early form and he's clearly a striker who is reliant on confidence. I just think Ben Arfa is one of those players that you have to put the extra effort into, to get the best out of. He's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Well we can all hope that Cabella isn't as much of a cunt as Ben Arfa for a start. I didn't realise Pardew was picking up the blame for Marveaux not being good enough though, that's a new one on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Ben Arfa hasn't been slight for a long time btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I didn't realise Pardew was picking up the blame for Marveaux not being good enough though, that's a new one on me. Aye - bizarrely a lot of people seem to have Marveaux down as being some kind of world beater who 'The King' magically turned into an awful footballer. Despite the fact he was largely gash and injured. We couldn't give him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21790 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Marveaux bring shite isn't Pardew's fault. CT put the hex on him when he declared he rated him. Ditto lua lua and ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34765 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Well we can all hope that Cabella isn't as much of a cunt as Ben Arfa for a start. So you don't know the backstory to all of this but you know HBA is a cunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Ben Arfa hasn't been slight for a long time btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So you don't know the backstory to all of this but you know HBA is a cunt? His teammates don't like him, his current and previous managers don't like him, and the likes of Benzema have come out and said that he should have been a great but for his personality. We don't know the backstory to his weight orders but we can safely conclude that he's a bit of a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 His teammates don't like him, his current and previous managers don't like him, and the likes of Benzema have come out and said that he should have been a great but for his personality. We don't know the backstory to his weight orders but we can safely conclude that he's a bit of a cunt. How do you know his teammates don't like him? For all you know Steven Taylor doesn't like him and everybody thinks he's the pups nuts. Benzema doesn't like him? Probably not, but then plenty of that Clairefontaine group got on with Ben Arfa so might it not be that Benzema is a cunt? Also, given Pardew slept with one of his player's wives, takes the piss out of the fans on almost a daily basis with his cringeworthy and empty platitudes, headbutts a player midgame, calls a respected manager an "Old Cunt", I'm going to go ahead and think that perhaps Pardew is a cunt. You're assuming Ben Arfa could be, we've seen evidence proving that Pardew definitely is a bellwhiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 There's clearly a pattern there with Ben Arfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21790 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 pardew's the problem like, not ben arfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Are people seriously forgetting the baggage he came with? Or the amount of time he's been given at Newcastle? Neither of those things preclude Pardew being a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30216 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 CUNT OFF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34765 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 CUNT OFF! Starring John Travolta and Nicholas Cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 How do you know his teammates don't like him? For all you know Steven Taylor doesn't like him and everybody thinks he's the pups nuts. Benzema doesn't like him? Probably not, but then plenty of that Clairefontaine group got on with Ben Arfa so might it not be that Benzema is a cunt? Also, given Pardew slept with one of his player's wives, takes the piss out of the fans on almost a daily basis with his cringeworthy and empty platitudes, headbutts a player midgame, calls a respected manager an "Old Cunt", I'm going to go ahead and think that perhaps Pardew is a cunt. You're assuming Ben Arfa could be, we've seen evidence proving that Pardew definitely is a bellwhiff You're like a little lass with a puppy whenever we get any sort of flair player in the team. He needs the Old Yeller treatment and you need to go to your bedroom and cry it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21790 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Are people seriously forgetting the baggage he came with? Or the amount of time he's been given at Newcastle? Neither of those things preclude Pardew being a cunt. we want to get rid of pardew before we decide to get rid of ben arfa. he could well end up being mint again for a better manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 You're like a little lass with a puppy whenever we get any sort of flair player in the team. He needs the Old Yeller treatment and you need to go to your bedroom and cry it all out. behave yourself man, you do this everytime we get any player that has flair. You want shot of them as soon as possible to make space for grafters. No wonder you backed Souness. Look I agree that Ben Arfa needs to work harder, but you're insane if you think Pardew is anything less than the driving force in this. He can't manage creative players. You want him to be both Ginola AND Acuna? well unfortunately those players are so rare and sought after that Newcastle United frankly aren't going to get them. He's stropping because he wants to play with the ball on the deck, he wants to commit players, he wants to attack. Pardew wants a player that launches the ball into the box from deep, he wants a player that gets within 25 yards and takes a pot shot. I want football that's exciting to watch, you want ... I dunno, something else? I can see why you've fallen out of love with the sport, if the only version you can tolerate is the kind played by tedious "grafters" I'd not be bothered by the sport either. You can paint me as a fanboy or only interested in flair if you like, but we both know that's not true. I'm just stating that Pardew has fucked off the most exciing talent I've seen at the club in ages, because he's a shit manager. You're saying it's entirely Ben Arfa's fault and we should get shot of him. Bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 How do you type that fast? That's impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 How do you type that fast? That's impressive. What can I say, I've a Flair for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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