Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I'm sure your right. Those kids that went in search of European glory came back and kicked the fuck out of the first teamers in training. The under soil heating, new fitness facilities, new fitness guru etc made no difference at all. That's so bad it doesn't deserve the factual rebutal you already know in your head. But just count... http://nufc.com/html/2012-13html/app-goals.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I've always believed apart from the one or two outstanding sides the rest of the top 6/7 are interchangeable and a lot comes down to perception and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44848 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 D- Must do better. You need to post content before you grade yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If we won a spakey league cup with loan players and kids it would be lovely, for a moment. As a set of fans we dare to dream of more though. Which is exactly what Keegan/Hall harnessed to catapult us to challenging for the league. We want to be regularly competing at the top with the teams that have a similar size stadium/crowd. Our attractiveness to sponsors and the best players in the world has been shown to have all the potential of any other club. Buying players isn't always about replacing an individual in your squad that isn't as good. It's about making a statement to everyone. Arsenal's best performance in years comes off the back of a statement signing. Breaking their transfer record and their top wage told everyone that they meant business and that sort of thing is infectious at a club lifting the entire team to better things....and frightening opposition clubs into an underdog mindset when they visit. Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew have no such vision. They never will. Any talk of incremental improvements is an acceptance and endorsement for treading water. That's fair enough if you fear drowning. Arsenals "statement" signing comes after years of stability and sound financial planning. We've made many "statement signings" during the same period just without the other two. It didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 You need to post content before you grade yourself. I feared your self-grading was off, so leant a much needed hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Maybe Fish should just do grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Arsenals "statement" signing comes after years of stability and sound financial planning. We've made many "statement signings" during the same period just without the other two. It didn't work. Arsenal never dropped out of the top 4. They invested hundreds of millions in a brand new stadium. Almost every year of "sound financing" included spending between £30m and £50m on players, just to stay in the elite group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Aye they've quietly been paying big money even for the so called 'finds'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 They consistently sell out the biggest club stadium in London despite charging some of the highest prices. They can do this by playing appealing football. They can do that by investing in the manager's vision. The appointment of Alan Pardew is proof positive that Premier League survival is sufficient for this owner. He doesn't want to win a trophy, he'd be happy if his minimal investment returned one, but he's not going to alter his path to make it more likely. It seems so simple; employ a proper DoF instead of my mate, have a budget for transfers that doesn't put the club into financial hot-water, support the scouts and the youth system. How can you be happy with safety, when silverware could be in our grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Arsenal's sound financial planning saw their debt more than double from £150m in 2005 to £320m by 2008 http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/10230 The notion that Ashley is following their model by refusing to allow any further debt to accumulate is patently ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 They sell their best player nearly every season VP, Fabregas, Adebayor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The only club ahead of this is the one you are wrong about. Everton made a profit last summer on transfers so spent less than us. Pointing to spending alone doesnt tell the whole story. By selling Fellaini for £28million. Hardly a sustainable business plan every summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Arsenal's sound financial planning saw their debt more than double from £150m in 2005 to £320m by 2008 http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/10230 The notion that Ashley is following their model by refusing to allow any further debt to accumulate is patently ridiculous. Aye but at the same time they were building a fuck load of flats, the debt was safe, it wasn't caused by pissing money up the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 When did this new training ground stuff come about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 That's so bad it doesn't deserve the factual rebutal you already know in your head. But just count... http://nufc.com/html/2012-13html/app-goals.html So not 16 games then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 So not 16 games then. No actually, it was 14. Well corrected The squad played 14 extra games. Travelled hundreds of miles to do it and played/trained with greater fatigue. Rarely were any players left at home altogether. Apart from Bigirimana, Obertan and Marveaux all the players with most European games were first teamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 No actually, it was 14. Well corrected The squad played 14 extra games. Travelled hundreds of miles to do it and played/trained with greater fatigue. Rarely were any players left at home altogether. Apart from Bigirimana, Obertan and Marveaux all the players with most European games were first teamers. Lets not be too pedantic with each other. A few first teamers played a maximum of 7 games and a few of those games were after the winter break. Im sure the underground heating and input of a fitness guru will also have had an impact on firness levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Aye but at the same time they were building a fuck load of flats, the debt was safe, it wasn't caused by pissing money up the wall. Aye. It's not a black or white choice of investing nothing whatsoever or pissing money up the wall. There is an approach to sustainable investment. It doesn't involve breaking your transfer record to sign a crock whose entire game was built on pace, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Again, when was this underground heating installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Lets not be too pedantic with each other. A few first teamers played a maximum of 7 games and a few of those games were after the winter break. Im sure the underground heating and input of a fitness guru will also have had an impact on firness levels. U FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Again, when was this underground heating installed? 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 It must be the slowest heating system in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 It works with the intermittent light of quasars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 In addition though the pitches are raised so they drain well - and it hasn't been cold thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 What money invested in the training ground? You mean the plans unveiled in December that are a long way off happening? And as for fitness staff, you mean Faye Downey, a part-time fitness consultant? Such as the underground heating and Yes Faye Downey. (Not to mention the further improvements announced in December) Apparently we are bottom of the injury list season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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