Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Wonder if he had the last 4 years of his 8 year deal paid up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35073 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Probably or at least some meeting half way. I don't think he'll have been on a great deal of money anyway. Perhaps I'm being too optimistic but I see this as another battle won by Rafa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Yeah certainly no great loss these days. Don't dislike the guy, but his departure signals the end of the crappy way things used to be done, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: Probably or at least some meeting half way. I don't think he'll have been on a great deal of money anyway. Perhaps I'm being too optimistic but I see this as another battle won by Rafa. Aye I'm hoping that's the case. He had a bit of a mixed record, probably more misses than hits but I always think it's hard to know who he really wanted to bring in and was blocked from getting. If the rumours about him trying to fight a bit of a power struggle with Rafa over the January window have any truth to them whatsoever then this is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3891 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Fingers crossed Moncur follows him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13862 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Howay said: Aye I'm hoping that's the case. He had a bit of a mixed record, probably more misses than hits but I always think it's hard to know who he really wanted to bring in and was blocked from getting. If the rumours about him trying to fight a bit of a power struggle with Rafa over the January window have any truth to them whatsoever then this is good news. You could see it as soon as we were linked with some shitty arsed French winger on the last day of the January window when we were allegedly working our bollocks off on Townsend. Wonder who was in the ear of Charnley there. I also wonder who wanted his pockets lined by that agency again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Howay said: Aye I'm hoping that's the case. He had a bit of a mixed record, probably more misses than hits but I always think it's hard to know who he really wanted to bring in and was blocked from getting. If the rumours about him trying to fight a bit of a power struggle with Rafa over the January window have any truth to them whatsoever then this is good news. The fact that he recommended Riviere as a signing even if he was well down the list, should have been enough to get him sacked. You can't tell me that even for the price we paid for him we couldn't have signed many better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Rafa would have been the winner 6 weeks ago. As it is, we're three quarters of the way through the break and "The club is now reviewing its scouting operation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 The decision may well have been made 6 weeks ago mind. Takes time to ease people out of the club and negotiate a departure. I doubt Rafa has been sitting on his hands while this has been happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30585 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Let's not forget that Rafa signed his fair share of plums at Liverpool before we get too excited at Carr's departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, ewerk said: Let's not forget that Rafa signed his fair share of plums at Liverpool before we get too excited at Carr's departure. True but at least he'll be looking for players for his own system now rather than "This agent I know says this guys shit hot, also he's cheap and I'm being paid to get him this move" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30585 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Where has this back hander allegation come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17245 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, David Kelly said: The fact that he recommended Riviere as a signing even if he was well down the list, should have been enough to get him sacked. You can't tell me that even for the price we paid for him we couldn't have signed many better players. That to me was clearly iffy now we know Carr almost exclusively dealt with players on the books of one French agency. Any semblance of a legacy he may have had at the club after his departure has been completely spoiled by that. You can be sure Ashley was in full knowledge of it and actively encouraged it. Pity he couldn't see it was going tits before Carr was appointed to the "football board" that saw McLaren appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ewerk said: Let's not forget that Rafa signed his fair share of plums at Liverpool before we get too excited at Carr's departure. I think the reason to be pleased by this isn't that Rafa is some sort of supreme talent spotter, but that it removes a potential cause of conflict that could cause him to fuck off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30585 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Aye, that's very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35073 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: That to me was clearly iffy now we know Carr almost exclusively dealt with players on the books of one French agency. Any semblance of a legacy he may have had at the club after his departure has been completely spoiled by that. You can be sure Ashley was in full knowledge of it and actively encouraged it. Pity he couldn't see it was going tits before Carr was appointed to the "football board" that saw McLaren appointed. Absolutely, and McClaren being a mate of his allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 What a shambles that was mind. Appointing the manager to the board to give the perception were a forward thinking club and that it was a a certainty to work only to have him sacked 6 month later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 As has been said elsewhere, all criticism of Carr must take into account the nature of Ashley and his representatives. It was widely reported that Carr was scouting the likes of Lacazette, Aubameyang, Gameiro etc. And way before they were attracting the longing glances from the big clubs. If we held off purchasing those players he recommended because of £2m here of there (as was suggested) it's not really his fault, is it? Of course some of the links are bullshit, but sufficient to suggest he knows a decent player when he sees one. That said, he has suggested some players who flopped, players like Thauvin. Questions need to be asked about why we signed him when it was pretty clear that he wasn't a good fit for the Premier League and/or McClaren's style of football. But I imagine Carr provided Charnley et al with a list of players who he thought were undervalued, and regardless of the needs of the team the lad with the biggest margin to be made would be courted. Had the moneymen had at least one eye on the performances on the pitch, I think Carr's contacts and eye for an undervalued player could have been of benefit. Debuchy, Janmaat, Santon, Tiote, Cabaye, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse, were all good or great players for us. And if they were managed by a decent boss and could see ambition and not avarice they may not have been so fucking keen to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 The other side to that is the that Carr probably knew we had a certain budget for a player, say £10 million, and he suggested fucking world beaters that were well over budget. Tbh, you could fire up FM and say Lacazette etc were class, it's not rocket surgery. Not particularly arsed either way like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3891 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, strawb said: The other side to that is the that Carr probably knew we had a certain budget for a player, say £10 million, and he suggested fucking world beaters that were well over budget. Tbh, you could fire up FM and say Lacazette etc were class, it's not rocket surgery. Not particularly arsed either way like. I wanted to be a rocket surgeon when I was a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30585 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Well you've achieved half of your ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: I wanted to be a rocket surgeon when I was a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3891 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, strawb said: Now you're just backpedalling on a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4247 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Aye alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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