trophyshy 7075 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) Japan was warned more than two years ago by the international nuclear watchdog that its nuclear power plants were not capable of withstanding powerful earthquakes, leaked diplomatic cables reveal. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ables-show.html Edited March 16, 2011 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control Really? I mean it hasn't gone completely kaboom, but they look to be scrambling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7075 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control Really? I mean it hasn't gone completely kaboom, but they look to be scrambling to me. Aye, dropping seawater on a nuclear facility from a helicopter is somewhat stretching the plausibility of 'things under control'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control Really? I mean it hasn't gone completely kaboom, but they look to be scrambling to me. The power station is wrecked and will have to decomissioned. I think if they can contain the reactors for the next 48 hours there will be no siginifcant leaks though which is the important thing. Also important to remember how old this station was. All the modern ones came through this unscathed, the kind that would be built in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control Really? I mean it hasn't gone completely kaboom, but they look to be scrambling to me. Exactly. The Japanese government and national guard will be feeling like Pardew trying to say something and the Newcastle dressing room 4-0 down at half time against Arsenal, except this time I don't think there'll be a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7075 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 What's the endgame with this constant fire fighting? They eventually get enough resource/equipment cobbled together to continuously cool the reactors and then they can worry about decomissioning? If rods are already exposed how do they physically decomission, robots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 What's the endgame with this constant fire fighting? They eventually get enough resource/equipment cobbled together to continuously cool the reactors and then they can worry about decomissioning? If rods are already exposed how do they physically decomission, robots? From my understanding it's that the rods are in place but its the residual decay that's causing the problem. Apparently that takes a week to happen and in the mean time the core has to be cooled to prevent it melting or catching fire, which is difficult because the cooling system and its backup were knackered by the tsunami. I guess it all depends who you trust, the majority of nuclear scientists who have been on the media seem to think it is under control. I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 They're on about flying over in a helicopter and spraying water down to cool one of the reactors. That's the sort of thing you'd get Bruce Willis to do if this was a movie. It's not the actions of anyone that's in control of a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control, and there will be no meltdown. The longer this goes the more likely that this is the case. People just fail to understand the cultural differences between the Japanese and the west. The Japanese are the most organised, most efficient and most orderly people on earth. If what has happened, happened in the US or Europe they just wouldn't cope. Riots, looting, mass panic, assaults and murder, we all remember what happened after Hurricane Katrina. Katrina is a Sunday walk in the park compared to what is happening now in Japan. Doesn't it say more about trust in governance and aid delivery than it does about any inate cumpulsion towards disorder. Of course trust in governance has a lot to do with it HF, no doubt about it, but the Japanese have a resilience and unity about them which is not seen in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 They're on about flying over in a helicopter and spraying water down to cool one of the reactors. That's the sort of thing you'd get Bruce Willis to do if this was a movie. It's not the actions of anyone that's in control of a situation. Wasn't it because they had a radioactive spike meaning the plant had to be evacuated? Now it's gone down again the staff are back in though. That's one of the amazing things about Chernobyl, some people knew they would die of radiation sickness doing the job of trying to cool the reactor. True heroes. Absolutely horrible way to die as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 They're on about flying over in a helicopter and spraying water down to cool one of the reactors. That's the sort of thing you'd get Bruce Willis to do if this was a movie. It's not the actions of anyone that's in control of a situation. Wasn't it because they had a radioactive spike meaning the plant had to be evacuated? Now it's gone down again the staff are back in though. That's one of the amazing things about Chernobyl, some people knew they would die of radiation sickness doing the job of trying to cool the reactor. True heroes. Absolutely horrible way to die as well. Yeah Bruce Willis did similar in Armageddon. I was reading the wiki about chernobyl the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The doomsdayers will be disappointed but the Japanese look to have things under control Really? I mean it hasn't gone completely kaboom, but they look to be scrambling to me. Of course they're scrambling, pumping seawater through the reactors shows they are willing to cut their losses (seawater makes reactors obsolete) with them in order to maintain control of the situation. If doomsday was going to happen, it would have done so on Saturday or Sunday. Of course I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I have with what is going on there. The longer this plays out without a complete meltdown the more the Japanese have it under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thing that gets me is that all the nuclear boffs who have been interviewed from across the globe have all said 'Divvent panic, folks'. I think it's just the nature of the beast that makes us all a bit worried. I agree with the point someone made above about this happening in organised Japan. If it happened here, every supermarket and petrol station in the country would be empty within hours, if not minutes, with numerous riots taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thing that gets me is that all the nuclear boffs who have been interviewed from across the globe have all said 'Divvent panic, folks'. I think it's just the nature of the beast that makes us all a bit worried. I agree with the point someone made above about this happening in organised Japan. If it happened here, every supermarket and petrol station in the country would be empty within hours, if not minutes, with numerous riots taking place. Theres fuck all left to buy in the supermarkets there, and all the cars are full of seawater. By the way, if anyone hasn't seen it, get a copy of Tsunami Caught on Camera. It's the story of the 2004 boxing day tsunami, told almost exclusively through the home videos of people that were there. And it's terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thing that gets me is that all the nuclear boffs who have been interviewed from across the globe have all said 'Divvent panic, folks'. I think it's just the nature of the beast that makes us all a bit worried. I agree with the point someone made above about this happening in organised Japan. If it happened here, every supermarket and petrol station in the country would be empty within hours, if not minutes, with numerous riots taking place. Theres fuck all left to buy in the supermarkets there, and all the cars are full of seawater. By the way, if anyone hasn't seen it, get a copy of Tsunami Caught on Camera. It's the story of the 2004 boxing day tsunami, told almost exclusively through the home videos of people that were there. And it's terrifying. No riots though Imagine the scenes in Stoke, Sunlun, etc etc: blood on the aisles, as Enoch might or might not have said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The French are telling everyone to get out of Japan and that they dont trust the Japs have it under control. Air France putting on more flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 The French are telling everyone to get out of Japan and that they dont trust the Japs have it under control. Air France putting on more flights. They need a Comical Ali type figure to reassure everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Its their instinct in a crisis, retreat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44554 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 They could use Ken actually. "Aw look, you know the Japs. They are industrious little fuckers and right now they are flat out like a lizard drinking putting this business to bed. If it was the poms I reckon there'd be cause for concern, but your average Jap's a cut above. No worries." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Its their instinct in a crisis, retreat. Tanks with one gear for forwards and three for reverse type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 All you on here, with the "it's not that bad" crack. Tokyo is 160 miles away the way the crow flies, and radiation levels are 10 times their normal level in the city, a rate known to harm humans, and the worst is possibly still yet to come. I don't think Japan or the world is even 20% through this yet, and all you speculative people can't contradict that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 After losing $620bn (£385bn) in the first two days of this week, Japan's stock market rebounded to finish Wednesday up by 5.7% Fuckaluckadingdong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 All you on here, with the "it's not that bad" crack. Tokyo is 160 miles away the way the crow flies, and radiation levels are 10 times their normal level in the city, a rate known to harm humans, and the worst is possibly still yet to come. I don't think Japan or the world is even 20% through this yet, and all you speculative people can't contradict that for sure. Ten times normal is absolutely nothing Stevie. You get hundreds of times normal radiation every time you have an X-ray and thousands of times normal every time you fly, and it is of absolutely no harm to human health. That was a one off reading as well. Not saying this is over by a long shot but conversely you seem to be predicting the worst case scenario is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thing that gets me is that all the nuclear boffs who have been interviewed from across the globe have all said 'Divvent panic, folks'. I think it's just the nature of the beast that makes us all a bit worried. I agree with the point someone made above about this happening in organised Japan. If it happened here, every supermarket and petrol station in the country would be empty within hours, if not minutes, with numerous riots taking place. Theres fuck all left to buy in the supermarkets there, and all the cars are full of seawater. By the way, if anyone hasn't seen it, get a copy of Tsunami Caught on Camera. It's the story of the 2004 boxing day tsunami, told almost exclusively through the home videos of people that were there. And it's terrifying. No riots though Imagine the scenes in Stoke, Sunlun, etc etc: blood on the aisles, as Enoch might or might not have said So no change then? Just a normal Tuesday afternoon in Stoke. Anyway, more importantly how big is his heed? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 He looks wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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