Premiership footballers and where they're from

[Guest LeazesLad]

Piece in the paper today

 

 

Top 10 places Premiership footballers are born. 63 from Liverpool, 50 odd from Birmingham, even Nottingham, Leeds and Bristol have far more than us.

 

Counting off the top of my head actual fairly regular players, lets include North Tyneside, South Tyneside, and Gateshead as the toon, places of birth, who is there???

 

Taylor, Carrick, Keith Southern, Carroll, Shola and then in my hungover state I'm struggling. We have nen. What's happened? If this was in the 60's or 70's Newcastle and its' surrounds would be top by a mile, people you don't even think about were from round here like Norman Hunter, we provided the back bone of the England side through the 80's, the likes of Colin Bell further back, even managers there was the likes of Bob Paisley. I can't get my head round why the football hot bed of English football which is what it was, is as dry as a nun. Four players against 63? Merseyside leaving us well, well in its' shadow.

[Tom 14013]

Clicky

[Guest]

Tbf to the the fat man, didn't he make noises about addressing this a while back? I don't know if it was Mort or Dekka

[ewerk 31209]

And has he addressed it?

[Guest]

And has he addressed it?

 

 

Time will tell?

[Guest LeazesLad]

What happens on Merseyside that is different to what happens here. Peter mentioning it could be schools fault on twitter, but what do dipper schools do that's different to ours? What have wor kids got their kids haven't and vice versa. That little scouse meff who comes on here will love this thread, but he's got a fucking point. Where is our talent now. We had 5 of the best 7 players of the last 40 years in English football from round here imo, and who is there noo? Carroll and Carrick? Do one. Even fucking Teesside puts us in the shade.

[PaddockLad 17660]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...ace-league.html

 

Liverpool is top of the footballers' birthplace league

Its teams may be stranded mid-table in the Premier League this season, but there is one football league in which Liverpool is still top.

 

 

The city on the Mersey has produced more top-flight footballers than any other English provincial city since the birth of the Premier League in 1992, a new analysis has found.

 

Its tally of 62 players who have gone on to appear in the top flight beats the 55 score of second-placed Birmingham, and for once knocks rival Manchester, in third place with 42 players, off its perch.

 

The roster of past and present Liverpudlian footballers in the top flight includes Manchester United's Wayne Rooney, from Liverpool's Croxteth district, and Robbie Fowler, the striker who enjoyed a trophy-laden career at Anfield and who grew up in Toxteth.

 

The finding is likely to please fans of the city's two top flight clubs – Liverpool FC, currently 7th in the Premier League table, and Everton, now 10th.

 

The analysis of the 1,383 English-born players who have appeared in the Premier League was carried out by the website TrueKnowledge.com, which uses specially-developed software to trawl the internet for answers to questions put by users.

 

The idea for the football study came from Matthew Mason, 33, a TrueKnowledge programmer – and, coincidentally, a lifelong Liverpool fan.

 

He said: "It started when we were having a discussion about where the hotbeds of footballing talent were in England.

 

"I am pleased with the result. I am not too sure that Liverpool can lay much claim to any sort of victory at the moment, but we will take anything we can get."

 

To provide a fair comparison, only footballers born within the boundaries of the City of Liverpool – population 435,000 – were included in its total, not those from neighbouring Merseyside boroughs such as Sefton or Knowsley. The same rule was applied to the cities of Manchester (pop 464,000) and Birmingham (pop. 1 million).

 

For the same reason, London – which would have produced the most footballers, had it been considered as a whole – was broken down into its constituent boroughs. The borough which produced the most footballers was Lambeth (pop 275,000), with 30.

 

A further analysis of the findings, comparing English counties by the number of footballers they have produced per head of population, shows that Country Durham leads the way, with 8.7 Premier League players per 100,000 residents. By this measure, North Yorkshire is second (7.7) and Merseyside third (6.6). London (4.5) and Greater Manchester (4.4) lag behind.

 

Mr Mason suggested that Merseyside's success as a breeding ground for footballers was partly due to adults handing down the sense of passion and tradition generated by Everton and Liverpool's illustrious history of domestic and European triumphs.

 

"That has got a lot to do with it. If you are a big football fan yourself it has got to be your dream to have your kids playing for your team," he said.

 

Stefan Szymanski, a professor of economics specialising in football issues at the Cass Business School in London, suggested that the traditional notion that boys from working-class communities are most likely to become professional footballers may soon be out of date. With the high wages on offer, career-minded middle class parents were perhaps less likely to criticise their children for wasting their time playing football, he said.

 

Professor Szymanski, the co-author of Why England Lose: And Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained, said: "I suspect that there is a certain gentrification coming into football, not just amongst the supporters but among the players.

 

"The classic middle class argument – you'll never make any money playing football – has vanished."

 

The survey is specific in it's target areas, so how many first divison footballer's can we name from the 70s and 80s who were born in the City of Newcastle upon Tyne?...they'll be a fair few, but probably not as many as you'd think, but if you take the North East as a whole the picture becomes a lot better. And we're a far smaller city than those mentioned anyway,only 189 000, less than half of Liverpool and dwarfed by Birmingham, and probably Lambeth and Berkshire as well...Colin Bell is from Heselden and Bob Paisely from Houghton so we can't really count them...don't know if the survey wouldve counted Gateshead anyway, so even Gazza and Norman Hunter might not be in...can't count the Charltons either,Peter Ramage is from Ashington too....Harper doesnt count, neither does Steven Taylor...fuck me theres hardly any when you think about it...on Pedro's wiki it says "Longbenton, Northumberland"

 

 

Pedro

Kenny Wharton

err....

Edited March 6, 2011 by PaddockLad

[peasepud 59]

I can only assume its something to do with the education system here, maybe Newcastle council doesnt promote sports enough, Im just summising here though because I have no knowledge of what goes on in the education system.

 

Maybe its the local scouting network to blame, maybe theres not enough clubs like Wallsend Boys to bring out the best in the local talent. I havent really got a clue to be honest but its one thing that I dont think the club is to blame for and if it was then its pre-Ashley.

 

Without the knowledge of it Id assume the process is:

 

Kids play for school teams,

get spotted and poached by the likes of Wallsend Boys.

scouts see them playing at that level and get them a club, whether thats a Premiership one or a lower league where somewhere along the lines they get picked up by Premiership.

 

I cant imagine its a lack of interest, we live and breathe football up here, from the day theyre born, fathers dream of their sons making it big so I cant see it as a family thing, that to me means its either the schools or the boys clubs.

 

Tell you who will know better StevieToon, hes involved in youngsters football coaching so he'll have a better idea.

[Guest LeazesLad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...ace-league.html

 

Liverpool is top of the footballers' birthplace league

Its teams may be stranded mid-table in the Premier League this season, but there is one football league in which Liverpool is still top.

 

 

The city on the Mersey has produced more top-flight footballers than any other English provincial city since the birth of the Premier League in 1992, a new analysis has found.

 

Its tally of 62 players who have gone on to appear in the top flight beats the 55 score of second-placed Birmingham, and for once knocks rival Manchester, in third place with 42 players, off its perch.

 

The roster of past and present Liverpudlian footballers in the top flight includes Manchester United's Wayne Rooney, from Liverpool's Croxteth district, and Robbie Fowler, the striker who enjoyed a trophy-laden career at Anfield and who grew up in Toxteth.

 

The finding is likely to please fans of the city's two top flight clubs – Liverpool FC, currently 7th in the Premier League table, and Everton, now 10th.

 

The analysis of the 1,383 English-born players who have appeared in the Premier League was carried out by the website TrueKnowledge.com, which uses specially-developed software to trawl the internet for answers to questions put by users.

 

The idea for the football study came from Matthew Mason, 33, a TrueKnowledge programmer – and, coincidentally, a lifelong Liverpool fan.

 

He said: "It started when we were having a discussion about where the hotbeds of footballing talent were in England.

 

"I am pleased with the result. I am not too sure that Liverpool can lay much claim to any sort of victory at the moment, but we will take anything we can get."

 

To provide a fair comparison, only footballers born within the boundaries of the City of Liverpool – population 435,000 – were included in its total, not those from neighbouring Merseyside boroughs such as Sefton or Knowsley. The same rule was applied to the cities of Manchester (pop 464,000) and Birmingham (pop. 1 million).

 

For the same reason, London – which would have produced the most footballers, had it been considered as a whole – was broken down into its constituent boroughs. The borough which produced the most footballers was Lambeth (pop 275,000), with 30.

 

A further analysis of the findings, comparing English counties by the number of footballers they have produced per head of population, shows that Country Durham leads the way, with 8.7 Premier League players per 100,000 residents. By this measure, North Yorkshire is second (7.7) and Merseyside third (6.6). London (4.5) and Greater Manchester (4.4) lag behind.

 

Mr Mason suggested that Merseyside's success as a breeding ground for footballers was partly due to adults handing down the sense of passion and tradition generated by Everton and Liverpool's illustrious history of domestic and European triumphs.

 

"That has got a lot to do with it. If you are a big football fan yourself it has got to be your dream to have your kids playing for your team," he said.

 

Stefan Szymanski, a professor of economics specialising in football issues at the Cass Business School in London, suggested that the traditional notion that boys from working-class communities are most likely to become professional footballers may soon be out of date. With the high wages on offer, career-minded middle class parents were perhaps less likely to criticise their children for wasting their time playing football, he said.

 

Professor Szymanski, the co-author of Why England Lose: And Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained, said: "I suspect that there is a certain gentrification coming into football, not just amongst the supporters but among the players.

 

"The classic middle class argument – you'll never make any money playing football – has vanished."

 

The survey is specific in it's target areas, so how many first divison footballer's can we name from the 70s and 80s who were born in the City of Newcastle upon Tyne?...they'll be a fair few, but probably not as many as you'd think, but if you take the North East as a whole the picture becomes a lot better. And we're a far smaller city than those mentioned anyway,only 189 000, less than half of Liverpool and dwarfed by Birmingham, and probably Lambeth and Berkshire as well...Colin Bell is from Heselden and Bob Paisely from Houghton so we can't really count them...don't know if the survey wouldve counted Gateshead anyway, so even Gazza and Norman Hunter might not be in...can't count the Charltons either,Peter Ramage is from Ashington too....Harper doesnt count, neither does Steven Taylor...fuck me theres hardly any when you think about it...on Pedro's wiki it says "Longbenton, Northumberland"

 

 

Pedro

Kenny Wharton

err....

There was loads in the 70s and 80s, and the only reason we won't be able to name loads is most of us weren't born in the 70's.

 

A few obtuse ones without even thinking about it from the 80s/early90s who played for England

 

Waddle

Beardsley

Gazza

Shearer

Robson

Kevin Richardson

Terry Fenwick

Micky Hazard

Nick Pickering

Steave Brewce (greatest player never capped to be fair)

Brian Laws

 

We produced the best of the best and always have. Bobby Charlton would be regarded easily as one of the three most famous English footballers. The pop of Newcastle is 280,000 anyway, that 180,000 doesn't include the likes of Newburn and Throckley which is obviously the toon, and I've said add all of Tyneside in, it's still shit 890,000 and we have five premiership footballers.

Edited March 6, 2011 by LeazesLad

[peasepud 59]

Waddle, Gazza, Robson, Fenwick, Hazard, Pickering, Bruce all born outside Newcastle so that only leaves Beardsley, Shearer, Pickering and Laws from your list who would qualify.

[Guest LeazesLad]

Waddle, Gazza, Robson, Fenwick, Hazard, Pickering, Bruce all born outside Newcastle so that only leaves Beardsley, Shearer, Pickering and Laws from your list who would qualify.

Bruce was born in the toon, and I said Tyneside anyway as an area.

[Barney 0]

There's more dippers than geordies in the 1st team isn't there?

[PaddockLad 17660]

Waddle, Gazza, Robson, Fenwick, Hazard, Pickering, Bruce all born outside Newcastle so that only leaves Beardsley, Shearer, Pickering and Laws from your list who would qualify.

Bruce was born in the toon, and I said Tyneside anyway as an area.

 

The whole North East area produced some of the best, thats pretty much unarguable. But that also must include County Durham. Which the survey rates very highly indeed. But it looks like it counted the 180 odd thousand who may have been born strictly within the city limits.Which is a completley unfair comparison.If they're not accepting Sefton as Liverpool then Jamie Carragher isnt included. If Birmingham has had 5 times the population since 1992 then its highly they're going to have produced more premier league footballers. The article does take population into consideration, but the bare bones of the actual survey doesnt.

 

There's 200k down here in south east Dorset (Bournemouth,Poole and Christchurch) and off the top of my head there are 2 current premier league footballers from the area, Jody Craddock and Roger Johnson, and a probable future one in Adam Lalana at Southampton. Carl Fletcher was at West Ham but is from Poole. But the area is hardly known as a " hotbed of Football" So you're essentially correct when you say we don't produce as many top divison players as we should (especially for a city which produced Gazza,Pedro and Shearer) when you look at it like that.

[Guest alex]

Waddle, Gazza, Robson, Fenwick, Hazard, Pickering, Bruce all born outside Newcastle so that only leaves Beardsley, Shearer, Pickering and Laws from your list who would qualify.

Bruce was born in the toon, and I said Tyneside anyway as an area.

Thought he was born in Corbridge but brought up in Daisy Hill.

[manc-mag 1]

Not wanting to sound thick here, but doesnt it assist if the area (say Manchester/Liverpool, ie North West) has lots of Premiership teams dotted about? Ie even with the best networks, teams still scout their own region most comprehensively, and presumably some of those players must just be squad players. Ergo: more Prem teams in the area, more Prem footballers from the area.

 

North West has Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C (ok ignore them for now), Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool (ffs) (8)

 

The North East has Newcastle and Sunlun. (2)

[Holden McGroin 6785]

Taylor was born down South - I think.

[Guest alex]

Taylor was born down South - I think.

He was, aye. They can have him

[Holden McGroin 6785]

Taylor was born down South - I think.

He was, aye. They can have him

[Guest LeazesLad]

Not wanting to sound thick here, but doesnt it assist if the area (say Manchester/Liverpool, ie North West) has lots of Premiership teams dotted about? Ie even with the best networks, teams still scout their own region most comprehensively, and presumably some of those players must just be squad players. Ergo: more Prem teams in the area, more Prem footballers from the area.

 

North West has Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C (ok ignore them for now), Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool (ffs) (8)

 

The North East has Newcastle and Sunlun. (2)

I think that's a good point in itself, but still it doesn't explain why in the past there was an incredible amount of talent from round here, and now there's next to none.

[manc-mag 1]

Not wanting to sound thick here, but doesnt it assist if the area (say Manchester/Liverpool, ie North West) has lots of Premiership teams dotted about? Ie even with the best networks, teams still scout their own region most comprehensively, and presumably some of those players must just be squad players. Ergo: more Prem teams in the area, more Prem footballers from the area.

 

North West has Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C (ok ignore them for now), Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool (ffs) (8)

 

The North East has Newcastle and Sunlun. (2)

I think that's a good point in itself, but still it doesn't explain why in the past there was an incredible amount of talent from round here, and now there's next to none.

 

Surely that much of it is just randomness though. Ie a conspicuous number of good players in a short period. Scotland (not a huge population, and as such a valid comparison) had it too. Great players in the 70's and 80's and nowt in the last 20 years.

 

I know what you mean like, it's galling. I was always proud growing up as a kid that even though we won nowt the region was still the cradle of footballing talent for an entire nation. Probably was just our time though.

 

PS the current list is horrid. I'm a better footballer than Michael Carrick and that is only the mildest exaggeration.

[Nobby 0]

English Counties

Prem footballers per 100,000 population

1 County Durham 9.49

2 North Yorkshire 7.69

3 Merseyside 6.59

4 Berkshire 5.97

5 Tyne and Wear 5.06

6 Nottinghamshire 4.89

7 Greater Manchester 4.42

8 Northumberland 4.18

9 Bristol 4.16

10 London 4.15

Edited March 7, 2011 by Nobby