Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 At the end of the day we are going to have to keep him i suspect whether he does well or badly for the rest of the season because of the situation with other strikers. Lovenkrands should be released at the end of the season, he's done a canny job for us IMO but is coming to the end of his time now. Ranger realistically needs a season out on loan to get a serious run of games, build some confidence and consistency and see what he can do. And obviously we sold Carroll! So we're left with Shola (a 3rd or 4th choice striker ideally) and Best with potentially the option of playing Ben Arfa up front in some form and Nolan filling in there now and then. So ideally we start nexts eason with two strikers better than Shola and Best signed, but whether we will or not is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 For the love of God no!!!!! Sooner he's a distant memory, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'd keep him, at least until we have enough depth to get rid of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm honestly not thinking about getting rid of anyone till we're mathematically safe, and even then, after seeing who we can/will bring in during the summer. Give him till the end of the season at least. I'd get rid of Lovenkrands and Ranger before him. Either way even considering getting rid of any more strikers is beyond my comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I personally think he is good back up, as is shola but we definitely need 2 new in. RE: Wickham...experience isnt everything, the boy has bags of ability...rooney done well at a young age too remember. Him and derdiyok are both gettable and would be be great signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 We're spoilt brats really with centre forwards, even when we've been really shit we've had decent strikers. Personally these are the worst strikers we've ever had in my time supporting the club, and sadly Best is not good enough long term for NUFC. He just hasn't got that killer instinct, doesn't want it enough, but it's the same with Shola, Lovenkrands and I'm starting to believe Ranger will not be a top Premiership striker too. Best is clearly fit enough to make telling runs but he's not intelligent enough. I disagree with Keith J's assertion that it was a lucky goal at St Andrew's great header to be fair, but if he's a rough diamond, then imo, we're still 6 inches of rock away from seeing the diamond, but if he scores 5 in his next 7 games again he may change my mind. Personally though I believe not one of them is good enough for Newcastle up front. I normally agree with you but tonight in my opinion you have said one of the stupidist things I ever heard from a true NUFC fan. Just read the whole post back there. You have to remember compared to the likes of you and Peasepud am just a youngun. I was just a bairn mid/late 80's so that's when my toon memories started. I never saw the likes of Dick Barton, Billy Rafferty, and of course Shinton. There was always Beardsley my first memories involved him, then Goddard was there who was class. Mirandinha and Goddard were better than what we have now, the Quinn and McGhee certainly were. To a point even Andy Hunt was, then Peacock and Kelly. Cole, Beardsley through to Ferdinand and Tino, then Shearer for 10 years with various other good strikers, even big Dunc was good when he was fit. Martins and Owen when he was fit were passable, and now we're left with these none of them are what I would class as top toon strikers. So which bit of my post is "one of the stupidest things you've heard off a true NUFC fan"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 For the love of God no!!!!! Sooner he's a distant memory, the better. I personally think he is good back up, as is shola but we definitely need 2 new in. RE: Wickham...experience isnt everything, the boy has bags of ability...rooney done well at a young age too remember. Him and derdiyok are both gettable and would be be great signings. Don't you ludicrously optimistic fuckers ever get sick of ashley rubbing your noses in it? Given his track record, what makes you think he's going to invest in at least two top quality strikers and put us in a position where Best is no longer needed, even for depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 For the love of God no!!!!! Sooner he's a distant memory, the better. I personally think he is good back up, as is shola but we definitely need 2 new in. RE: Wickham...experience isnt everything, the boy has bags of ability...rooney done well at a young age too remember. Him and derdiyok are both gettable and would be be great signings. Don't you ludicrously optimistic fuckers ever get sick of ashley rubbing your noses in it? Given his track record, what makes you think he's going to invest in at least two top quality strikers and put us in a position where Best is no longer needed, even for depth? I had a dream...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7243 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Didn't think I'd ever say this but I think we should keep him. From all accounts he is well behaved and a good trainer. Always trying to impress in training to get a chance in the first team. Having him around should keep the pressure on our hopefully higher profile forwards. Has a good scoring record when he has played as well. All despite not looking very good and in general having the heading ability of a sharpened rock (spare his headed goal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 For the love of God no!!!!! Sooner he's a distant memory, the better. I personally think he is good back up, as is shola but we definitely need 2 new in. RE: Wickham...experience isnt everything, the boy has bags of ability...rooney done well at a young age too remember. Him and derdiyok are both gettable and would be be great signings. Don't you ludicrously optimistic fuckers ever get sick of ashley rubbing your noses in it? Given his track record, what makes you think he's going to invest in at least two top quality strikers and put us in a position where Best is no longer needed, even for depth? I wouldnt say ludicrously optimistic. I just prefer being positive. What will be will be. I hope he spends, i think he will but if he doesnt it wont come as a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2948 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Honestly, I think we need him. He's probably our best striker at the moment. Although he's not PL standard. If we could get to a situation where we wouldn't need him we would have to sign at least 3 players better. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'd keep him, at least until we have enough depth to get rid of him yes, big strong lad who should be bossing defenders around - but we've said that of Ameobi for years and he is now 29? and hasn't delivered. Out of our 3 main strikers I'd keep him rather than the other 2 but like you say it depends how good any strikers are that are signed. Basically, if we sign more strikers that are no better than Ameobi and Lovenkrands then the club are just going round in circles here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 We're spoilt brats really with centre forwards, even when we've been really shit we've had decent strikers. Personally these are the worst strikers we've ever had in my time supporting the club, and sadly Best is not good enough long term for NUFC. He just hasn't got that killer instinct, doesn't want it enough, but it's the same with Shola, Lovenkrands and I'm starting to believe Ranger will not be a top Premiership striker too. Best is clearly fit enough to make telling runs but he's not intelligent enough. I disagree with Keith J's assertion that it was a lucky goal at St Andrew's great header to be fair, but if he's a rough diamond, then imo, we're still 6 inches of rock away from seeing the diamond, but if he scores 5 in his next 7 games again he may change my mind. Personally though I believe not one of them is good enough for Newcastle up front. I normally agree with you but tonight in my opinion you have said one of the stupidist things I ever heard from a true NUFC fan. Just read the whole post back there. You have to remember compared to the likes of you and Peasepud am just a youngun. I was just a bairn mid/late 80's so that's when my toon memories started. I never saw the likes of Dick Barton, Billy Rafferty, and of course Shinton. There was always Beardsley my first memories involved him, then Goddard was there who was class. Mirandinha and Goddard were better than what we have now, the Quinn and McGhee certainly were. To a point even Andy Hunt was, then Peacock and Kelly. Cole, Beardsley through to Ferdinand and Tino, then Shearer for 10 years with various other good strikers, even big Dunc was good when he was fit. Martins and Owen when he was fit were passable, and now we're left with these none of them are what I would class as top toon strikers. So which bit of my post is "one of the stupidest things you've heard off a true NUFC fan"? I will apologise as I thought you were older. (mind I'm sure you have seen old video) I thought you were taling Mavis, Blacky Milburn, Alan Brown, Shints, Pingle and these are the better ones of the bad ones, rafferty, whitehurst et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 We're spoilt brats really with centre forwards, even when we've been really shit we've had decent strikers. Personally these are the worst strikers we've ever had in my time supporting the club, and sadly Best is not good enough long term for NUFC. He just hasn't got that killer instinct, doesn't want it enough, but it's the same with Shola, Lovenkrands and I'm starting to believe Ranger will not be a top Premiership striker too. Best is clearly fit enough to make telling runs but he's not intelligent enough. I disagree with Keith J's assertion that it was a lucky goal at St Andrew's great header to be fair, but if he's a rough diamond, then imo, we're still 6 inches of rock away from seeing the diamond, but if he scores 5 in his next 7 games again he may change my mind. Personally though I believe not one of them is good enough for Newcastle up front. I normally agree with you but tonight in my opinion you have said one of the stupidist things I ever heard from a true NUFC fan. Just read the whole post back there. You have to remember compared to the likes of you and Peasepud am just a youngun. I was just a bairn mid/late 80's so that's when my toon memories started. I never saw the likes of Dick Barton, Billy Rafferty, and of course Shinton. There was always Beardsley my first memories involved him, then Goddard was there who was class. Mirandinha and Goddard were better than what we have now, the Quinn and McGhee certainly were. To a point even Andy Hunt was, then Peacock and Kelly. Cole, Beardsley through to Ferdinand and Tino, then Shearer for 10 years with various other good strikers, even big Dunc was good when he was fit. Martins and Owen when he was fit were passable, and now we're left with these none of them are what I would class as top toon strikers. So which bit of my post is "one of the stupidest things you've heard off a true NUFC fan"? I will apologise as I thought you were older. (mind I'm sure you have seen old video) I thought you were taling Mavis, Blacky Milburn, Alan Brown, Shints, Pingle and these are the better ones of the bad ones, rafferty, whitehurst et al. Nee bovva, but even in the 70's and early 80's yous had better than these. Varadi, Withe, Gowling, Tudor, Super Mac etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I would've loved to have seen a fit Carroll and Ben Arfa playing together in this season's team and seeing the difference a decent set of forwards would've made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I would've loved to have seen a fit Carroll and Ben Arfa playing together in this season's team and seeing the difference a decent set of forwards would've made. Aye and with a strong midfield and a solid defence it certainly would of been a very very good team all round. Whats done is done though ay? Id like to see us get Derdiyok and play him with Ben Arfa upfront. He's another in a similar mould to Carroll...big strong lad, good ariel ability and a little bit more skillful too imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Keep. Best and Ben Arfa with two additions. Ship Loven and Shola. Loan Ranger (see what I did there ), if we get two more forwards Ranger won't get the cameos he is getting at the moment so needs playing time elsewhere. The chances he is getting this season will put him in good stead. A season or two out on loan and we could have a very good player coming back into the side. Would be good if we could get him out on loan to a geniune championship contender next season so if he does well and they come up he can have a season at a lower end premiership team before coming back here. That's a bit too forward thinking though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Neville Neville 0 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Credit to the lad, for all his shortcomings, he looks like he's worked on his heading from the shambolic level it was when he broke into the team. Was a nice header for the correctly ruled out goal for a cheeky push on jagielka Just need him to work on his not being offside now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Super Leon Best. My favourite rubbish striker since Sibierski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 He's scored enough since he broke into the team to warrant a place as 4th choice striker next season. Love should be moved on, Ranger loaned out. Shola is 3rd choice, bring in two new strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 He's scored enough since he broke into the team to warrant a place as 4th choice striker next season. Love should be moved on, Ranger loaned out. Shola is 3rd choice, bring in two new strikers. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Neville Neville 0 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I'd probably not even go quite that far. We obviously need to have a new starting striker, don't watch enough non-newcastle football these days to be able to proffer a good choice. I'm happy enough with shola being our second best striker in a 2 or our first choice sub if we're playing a non-442 style. I would then like to see us having Best and another new striker as our 3rd and 4th choice. The other new striker need not necessarily be an established striker but needs to someone with pace playing on the last man's shoulder that we can use to stretch other teams towards the end. Like Bellamy used to do for us, like Dyer used to sometimes be used to do, and like Lovenkrands probably did a few years ago. The main problem with our strikeforce as it is, ignoring the lack of quality, is that Best, Ameobi, Kuqi, Carroll when he was here, and even Ranger are broadly speaking similar strikers relying on beating defenders through strength and determination rather than pace and intelligent movement. Ranger seems to have a bit more about him pace and willing running wise but obviously is ridiculously raw, and needs time away to learn how to play as a striker for 90minutes rather than these 10 minute bursts against tired defences. Ranger isn't so much a plan B as a plan A draft 2. The way we play is not really a good place to learn how to be a proper striker, which is why I don't think chelsea would have sent sturridge here if he wanted to come. Lovenkrands is the only one who is truly different. He is actually a pretty intelligent striker and often pops up in exactly the right places or makes exactly the right run. Unfortunately, his finishing is often terrible, and his ability to be anonymous is quite outstanding. If he still had the pace he had to be an easy over the top out ball (and make poor passes into assists), you could look past the other deficiencies but I agree that he needs moving on. To summarise: Keep/in: Established top flight (not necessarily premier league) striker, ameobi, best, young striker with 'wheels' Loan: Ranger Out: Lovenkrands Retire and re-employ as Director of Football: Kuqi He's scored enough since he broke into the team to warrant a place as 4th choice striker next season. Love should be moved on, Ranger loaned out. Shola is 3rd choice, bring in two new strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The only problem with Ameobi as a 1st teamer is he is an established crock and we'd be lucky to get 5 games in a row out of him. That's why for me he has to be 3rd choice at best. This is pie-in-the-sky stuff though really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Neville Neville 0 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The only problem with Ameobi as a 1st teamer is he is an established crock and we'd be lucky to get 5 games in a row out of him. That's why for me he has to be 3rd choice at best. This is pie-in-the-sky stuff though really. Fair point. I love Shola, so I can't imagine him being a 3rd choice striker again, unless he moves to Barca and slots in ahead of pedro but behind Messi and Villa! Just wait till next week when Pardew says that Ferguson is actually a striker as well. We don't need more/better players/depth, just pretend that non-established players can cover loads of positions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I can see Lovenkrands maybe going back to Denmark at the end of the season, he just seems to be anonymous to much in the games he played in unfortunately, i don't see us ever selling Shola if i'm honest he's a cult hero just a shame he's usually shyte or injured i reckon we should keep Best even though he'll be third/fourth choice if we hopefully get 2 strikers in but he seems to put in a shift he just needs to learn the offside rule and Ranger will need to go out on loan or he's just never gonna develop and be another youngster that just fizzles out into obscurity at Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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