Lara Logan

[Ken 119]

She wasn't raped, that's been confirmed. I don't know why you think discussing things which may or may not be relevant to the incident is wrong. You learn nothing if you don't discuss or argue about things.

 

She wasn't?... well that's good. Confirmed by who anyway?.. I can't be bothered making an effort for shite like this.

 

Discussing is all well and good my friend, it breaks down barriers and the like, but for a topic to go from am 'alleged' gang-rape to racism and anti-religion diatribe... well I've seen and heard it all before a zillion times everywhere, from friends, on various forums, on radio, and TV, you fuckin' name it, the same old shite, and I don't care for it, man. I have my views, but unfortunately they can get misconstrued as well.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

She wasn't raped, that's been confirmed. I don't know why you think discussing things which may or may not be relevant to the incident is wrong. You learn nothing if you don't discuss or argue about things.

 

She wasn't?... well that's good. Confirmed by who anyway?.. I can't be bothered making an effort for shite like this.

 

Discussing is all well and good my friend, it breaks down barriers and the like, but for a topic to go from am 'alleged' gang-rape to racism and anti-religion diatribe... well I've seen and heard it all before a zillion times everywhere, from friends, on various forums, on radio, and TV, you fuckin' name it, the same old shite, and I don't care for it, man. I have my views, but unfortunately they can get misconstrued as well.

 

It was confirmed that she wasn't raped on a few news reports. Hopefully they're right, though it seems at the very least she suffered a prolonged sexual assault which = sexual acts performed without consent. This is more than sexual contact which = groping. This is according to US law in most states. Apparently she has spoken to Obama, she may well speak about it publicly, from what I've seen of her I think she will at least discuss the situation on the ground as she was reporting.

 

I haven't read every post in the thread but I didn't see any malicious racism. If some of the comments about different cultures are misguided then you could take the opportunity to explain why they're wrong and then we might learn something. ATP usually performs this function and gives some good insights, though I do not share or agree with all his views. That is why people speaking freely is good, it promotes discussion/argument and people can learn from that. That is the point of a forum is it not? I posted about Abrahamic religions when I was hammered and checking my emails, so it was a bit incoherent and not fully thought-out. NJS then went on in more detail about misogyny/religion, which was interesting.

 

According to the NewYork Post the crowd were chanting, "Jew, jew," referring to Logan just prior to the attack.

 

"Afghanistan, shortly after the fall of the Taliban, was a nightmare for women reporters. The Northern Alliance soldiers we were travelling with in the autumn of 2001 had not seen a woman’s face unveiled for years and, even though we wore headscarves, they would stare at us repeatedly. One told me: “There are two kinds of women. Good ones who stay at home and cover their faces and bad ones who show theirs. With those women, we assume: Tonight you are mine.”

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ared-I-was.html

 

Given the epidemic nature of sexual harassment towards women in Egypt and other parts of the ME, I think questions about deep-rooted misogyny in those cultures and also in Islam, are fair. High-profile incidents like this are always going to give rise to that line of inquiry.

Edited February 18, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[NJS 4386]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

It's not even a personal thing really, sexual harassment of women in Egypt is widespread, figures have been brought up here about the issue and Lara Logan's attack is just one example of a larger issue. I knew a lad at school who went to Egypt and his younger sister suffered sexual harassment. I also know women who have traveled to the ME and been the victims of various abuses, it's an interesting and important issue that should be discussed more often imo.

[NJS 4386]

I have a good friend who used to travel to Malaysia with her family as a kid and she told me how bad it was there but with a bit more subtety - things like women having to walk behind a man and also having to make sure they "look up" when speaking to a man - obviously difficult if you're of average western height compared with local men. I find that level of expected deference to be horrible.

[Ken 119]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

Well I think I should if people make light of a gang-rape man, ok?

[NJS 4386]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

Well I think I should if people make light of a gang-rape man, ok?

 

You complained above about the direction leading to religion and/or regional racism which I still think is invalid as the shift was logical - if you want to complain about the jokey comments at the start from Ketsbaia then that's possibly fair - but I'd say the lad makes quite a few bad taste comments which don't bother me.

[Ken 119]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

Well I think I should if people make light of a gang-rape man, ok?

 

You complained above about the direction leading to religion and/or regional racism which I still think is invalid as the shift was logical - if you want to complain about the jokey comments at the start from Ketsbaia then that's possibly fair - but I'd say the lad makes quite a few bad taste comments which don't bother me.

 

I applaud you. You've worked it all out, man, on your own.

 

And I hate people throwing in the racism card for no reason. For no reason, ok?

[NJS 4386]

but for a topic to go from am 'alleged' gang-rape to racism and anti-religion diatribe...

 

 

No mention of the early jokes there - make your mind up.

[Guest alex]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

Well I think I should if people make light of a gang-rape man, ok?

 

You complained above about the direction leading to religion and/or regional racism which I still think is invalid as the shift was logical - if you want to complain about the jokey comments at the start from Ketsbaia then that's possibly fair - but I'd say the lad makes quite a few bad taste comments which don't bother me.

 

I applaud you. You've worked it all out, man, on your own.

 

And I hate people throwing in the racism card for no reason. For no reason, ok?

Tbf, it was quite difficult to work that out from what you said, K-Dogg.

[Happy Face 29]

Can't see why anyone shouldn't say rapist.s are a disgrace...though this wasn't rape.

 

. These christian gang rapists are animals too...

 

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news....php?nid=175538

 

That's not to say all christians are, or that the austrian problem of locking daughters in the cellar and raping them repeatedly for 30 years makes all austrians animals.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Aye but the plight of women has clearly been worse in the ME in recent history than in 'the West', at the hands of Islamic groups and as a result of the values of Islamic societies. If you don't acknowledge that then you're being willfully ignorant. This is not like stating that all Muslims have deeply misogynist views that manifest themselves in violence. It's interesting that you seek to downplay the crime and bring up vile incidents of others to protect against the perceived prejudice expressed in this thread; "Hey it wasn't rape, that's OK then!" The woman was violently and brutally sexually assaulted by a group of up to 200 men who were screaming anti-Semitic abuse at her, despite the fact she's about as Jewish as a pork sandwich.

Edited February 26, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[Ken 119]

Don't see the point of getting all high-horsey about the direction a thread can take just because the start was about something horrible. You could say the same about terrorist outrages or American fuck=ups which cost lives which are "standard" discussion starters. Just because this was a bit more personal shouldn't make a difference.

 

Well I think I should if people make light of a gang-rape man, ok?

 

You complained above about the direction leading to religion and/or regional racism which I still think is invalid as the shift was logical - if you want to complain about the jokey comments at the start from Ketsbaia then that's possibly fair - but I'd say the lad makes quite a few bad taste comments which don't bother me.

 

I applaud you. You've worked it all out, man, on your own.

 

And I hate people throwing in the racism card for no reason. For no reason, ok?

Tbf, it was quite difficult to work that out from what you said, K-Dogg.

 

OK, point taken. TBF, when I do come on here I've normally had a few.

 

Seriously though, I fucking hate it when arab-muslims scream racism in order to protect themselves. It happens all the time here, and it is an embarrassment to moderate muslims and non-muslim arabs.