Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'll save this thread and ask you again the day your first kid is born Stevie I have to say though J69 your point has a light coating of CTitis about it. You think sending your kid to Barcelona would emotionally disturb them because they wouldn't have orthodox family life? Fabregas seems a happy individual and he went to Arsenal when he was 15. I take it you're totally against boarding school too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yes I am. Fabregas seems like a detached, moaning prick who has never felt the horror of someone saying the word ''no'' to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31203 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I don't think I have. It's shocking that football clubs poach kids at a young age and pretty much steal their childhood off them. Just because Barcelona have a slightly more efficient kiddy factory set up with a nice villa doesn't make it any better imo. For every Messi there are 1000 other kids who move back home having missed a kiss and a cuddle goodnight for god knows how long because they might have made Barca a pretty penny a few years down the line Yes but even the ones who don't make it will have benefited from a better education and upbringing than they may have done otherwise. It seems like the idea is to prepare them for life outside of football as much as it is to improve them as players. Better than being sent to a boarding school anyway. Since when was Spain a 3rd world country There's plenty of Spanish kids turn out to be doctors, lawyers and have perfectly good upbringings. Where exactly did I say it was a third world country? I'm guessing that it likely provides a better education than in Spanish state schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yes I am. Fabregas seems like a detached, moaning prick who has never felt the horror of someone saying the word ''no'' to him. So you'd say "no you're not going and that's it, you can go to Academy of Light school of excellence after school and be happy with it". You'd put your foot down. You have to understand child psychology too, lots of kids, I was one, never wanted what I could have, and always wanted what I couldn't, but something like that blocking your kid from potentially the most unbelievable adventure ever, one that any kid in the world would want. Personally if I knew a parent like that I'd be ringing the RSPCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I don't think I have. It's shocking that football clubs poach kids at a young age and pretty much steal their childhood off them. Just because Barcelona have a slightly more efficient kiddy factory set up with a nice villa doesn't make it any better imo. For every Messi there are 1000 other kids who move back home having missed a kiss and a cuddle goodnight for god knows how long because they might have made Barca a pretty penny a few years down the line Yes but even the ones who don't make it will have benefited from a better education and upbringing than they may have done otherwise. It seems like the idea is to prepare them for life outside of football as much as it is to improve them as players. Better than being sent to a boarding school anyway. Since when was Spain a 3rd world country There's plenty of Spanish kids turn out to be doctors, lawyers and have perfectly good upbringings. Where exactly did I say it was a third world country? I'm guessing that it likely provides a better education than in Spanish state schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31203 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well since we're making things up, it definitely provides a higher level of education than Spanish state schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 There's nee point in educating the Spanish though. Learn them how to carry 5 plates of food at 6 year old and they're vocationally sorted for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yes I am. Fabregas seems like a detached, moaning prick who has never felt the horror of someone saying the word ''no'' to him. So you'd say "no you're not going and that's it, you can go to Academy of Light school of excellence after school and be happy with it". You'd put your foot down. You have to understand child psychology too, lots of kids, I was one, never wanted what I could have, and always wanted what I couldn't, but something like that blocking your kid from potentially the most unbelievable adventure ever, one that any kid in the world would want. Personally if I knew a parent like that I'd be ringing the RSPCC. I think I've got a decent grasp of child psychology, what with being a children's psychiatric nurse and all Most of the kids I know would jump at the chance to go to NUFC academy, up the road from where they love, to play for the club they have always supported. Ask the same kids if they want to move to London to play for Chelsea academy and they would probably decline. I think you over estimate the independence of your average 12 year old Stevie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31203 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 There's nee point in educating the Spanish though. Learn them how to carry 5 plates of food at 6 year old and they're vocationally sorted for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 There's nee point in educating the Spanish though. Learn them how to carry 5 plates of food at 6 year old and they're vocationally sorted for life. Educate them Well at 12 year old I would've fucked off to Barcelona in a heart beat as long as I could take my Amiga with me. Any kid in the world would imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Given the chance to experience a life like that in one of Europe's best cities, I would have to decline. I would miss all the kisses and cuddles and special secret rubs daddy gave me before beddybums every night. That is worth so much more than serving an apprenticeship for one of the best football clubs in the world in a vibrant city with the chance to have an incredibly lucrative career in professional football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 So, J69 is basically saying he wouldn't have gone to Barcelona as a bairn if he had the chance and he would stop one of his bairns going? I actually believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyff 0 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Obviously being only 20 I can't even imagine what I would do with a kid, but if he had a footballing ability that they were interested in then I would definitely send them over there, but only if they wanted to go. Having to give up football is one of the biggest regrets I have. My dad did push me quite a bit through it, but he obviously saw something in me and it was paying off with trials for teams like Liverpool and Man U. When I did finally get into the academy at Preston North End I ended up getting quite badly injured and then just never got into it again after that. It was mostly mental, as I was scared about getting injured again (and sure enough when I started playing again I managed to damage the ligaments in the same knee I injured at PNE). If my Mum or Dad had ever tried to stop me playing when I was actually getting somewhere then I would most definitely have ran off like Stevie says he would have done. As a kid you live and breathe Football, and to be in the academy of a team who were, at least at the time, pushing for promotion to one of the best leagues in the world was practically living the dream for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Given the chance to experience a life like that in one of Europe's best cities, I would have to decline. I would miss all the kisses and cuddles and special secret rubs daddy gave me before beddybums every night. That is worth so much more than serving an apprenticeship for one of the best football clubs in the world in a vibrant city with the chance to have an incredibly lucrative career in professional football. In a nutshell Call me old fashioned but growing up with your family and friends is more important than playing football. The fact that so many people find that astonishing says more about the state of the world we live in than it does about me tbh There's nowt stopping people doing both either btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 It's also worth noting that I've done a fair bit of coaching over the years as well as seen my 13 year old brother in law play for Boro, Sunderland and Newcastle Academy as well as Durham District and seen the horrendous amount of pressure the parents and coaches put on the kids to play football. You would be surprised how many parents are living out their professional footballer fantasy vicariously through their kids. Some of the bollockings I've seen kids get cos they missed a shot etc. and seen them dragged back to their cars in tears would make you cringe. Half the posters on here come across like they would do the same tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 It's also worth noting that I've done a fair bit of coaching over the years as well as seen my 13 year old brother in law play for Boro, Sunderland and Newcastle Academy as well as Durham District and seen the horrendous amount of pressure the parents and coaches put on the kids to play football. You would be surprised how many parents are living out their professional footballer fantasy vicariously through their kids. Some of the bollockings I've seen kids get cos they missed a shot etc. and seen them dragged back to their cars in tears would make you cringe. Half the posters on here come across like they would do the same tbh. you always dee that. Which half then, which half name names as to who you think would do that. My offspring wouldn't come back to car in tears, because he wouldn't miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well you, KSA and Ewerk for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well you, KSA and Ewerk for starters. Why because we disagree with you by saying we'd support them if they were invited to grow up in Barcelona's youth academy? That's all it is. Anyone who shouts and bawls at their kids for no good reason isn't just a bad parent, but is one of lifes cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Not sure what's more tedious tbh. The imagined scenarios to back up his point or the 'expert' testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well I'll give a British equivalent. How many 12 year old lads from Newcastle would be happy to leave their friends and families to move into lodgings at Chelsea? I loved football at 12 and played it every chance I got. I had nee fancy to live in a boarding school in London though, regardless of the tiny chance I might have had at making the grade on day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10965 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Vast and staggering difference between trials for Middlesbrough and the arguably the biggest club in the world with, beyond doubt, the best youth policy in the world though isn't there. Boro's youth system seems decent, but we're looking at a club which has produced some of this generations greatest players; players who play the game as it's supposed to be played. With joy and class. So J69, if some Barcelona scout suggests that he sees, in my boy, the potential to play at the very top level and the lad wants to go, I'd have him there on the next flight. In the same way, if he's gifted enough academically and someone suggests he could get a scholarship at a better school he'd go there. Because, unsurprisingly I'd want the best for my kid and wouldn't let anything get in the way. You're just being deliberately argumentative. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Not sure what's more tedious tbh. The imagined scenarios to back up his point or the 'expert' testimony. Expert or not, it's true I'm nee Keegan but playing in university leagues/alliance leagues, coaching under 18 teams in England/High school teams in America etc. gives me more experience than most on here who think a wednesday night at the Pitz makes them an expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Not sure what's more tedious tbh. The imagined scenarios to back up his point or the 'expert' testimony. Expert or not, it's true I'm nee Keegan but playing in university leagues/alliance leagues, coaching under 18 teams in England/High school teams in America etc. gives me more experience than most on here who think a wednesday night at the Pitz makes them an expert. Nyff's been there and done it and seems to disagree with you. Edited February 11, 2011 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Vast and staggering difference between trials for Middlesbrough and the arguably the biggest club in the world with, beyond doubt, the best youth policy in the world though isn't there. Boro's youth system seems decent, but we're looking at a club which has produced some of this generations greatest players; players who play the game as it's supposed to be played. With joy and class. So J69, if some Barcelona scout suggests that he sees, in my boy, the potential to play at the very top level and the lad wants to go, I'd have him there on the next flight. In the same way, if he's gifted enough academically and someone suggests he could get a scholarship at a better school he'd go there. Because, unsurprisingly I'd want the best for my kid and wouldn't let anything get in the way. You're just being deliberately argumentative. Again. That's the major sticking point though. Have you spoken to the 330 kids there atm and asked them if they were chomping at the bit or packed off by their folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7170 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Not sure what's more tedious tbh. The imagined scenarios to back up his point or the 'expert' testimony. Expert or not, it's true I'm nee Keegan but playing in university leagues/alliance leagues, coaching under 18 teams in England/High school teams in America etc. gives me more experience than most on here who think a wednesday night at the Pitz makes them an expert. Nyff's been there and done it and seems to disagree with you. Aye and what did he say? His dad pushed him, he gave up cos he was scared his knee would get hurt. In hindsight he wished he had stuck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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