Scottish Mag 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Newcastle United are preparing a case to try to force the FA to pay them compensation for the loss of Steven Taylor following the news the youngster could be ruled out for another three months with a shoulder injury. Taylor was hoping to return to the United line-up against Arsenal this evening, but is now facing another spell on the sidelines following a setback in training and it is looking increasingly likely that the youth team graduate will need an operation which could rule him out for as long as three months. It was another massive injury blow to manager Graeme Souness who has admitted that the 19-year-old from Monkseaton has been his most reliable defender this season. But it is a blow the Magpies are hoping to receive compensation for as the injury was initially sustained when Taylor was preparing for England Under-21's European play-off against France five weeks ago. Souness said: "Steven's a worry, his shoulder's semi popping out which is as bad as it fully popping out. If that is the case it might need an operation. We'll send him to see a specialist next week and see what he says. "He fell over in training on Thursday in a fairly innocuous fashion, but he felt something. There is something going on there. It will keep him out tomorrow, just as it has kept him out of the previous games. It's shame for him. The shirt was his, he was playing very well for us up until getting injured." With a plethora of injuries hampering Souness' hopes of holding on to his job following a less-than impressive first third of the season, United's manager is becoming increasingly irritable when answering questions about those stuck on the treatment table. But it is clear he supports the idea the FA should be made to pay for the inconvenience it has caused him. He added: "I believe we'll be getting compensation for Steven's injury, you make that claim when he returns to your team as I understand it. "But it's not something I've been involved with before as a manager, at least I don't remember being at a club when a compensation claim has been made. I've left it up to the chairman so you will have to ask him what the procedure is." Meanwhile, Souness has refused to put a timescale on the return of his three other main injury concerns- Stephen Carr, Emre and Kieron Dyer. However, The Journal understands that Dyer, who should return to training on Monday, could be involved against West Ham United, with the other two possibly featuring against Liverpool on Boxing Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Forced back into training too early perhaps? I don't think the compensatioon claims would be valid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Forced back into training too early perhaps? I don't think the compensatioon claims would be valid... 66453[/snapback] My thoughts exactly. By saying he re-injured himself in training they have given the FA a loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Another self inflicted problem by Souness though. He arrived at the club with Bramble, Hughes and O'Brien [who had got us into the Champions League and performed quite well for the part as Woodgate also played nowhere near 100% of games] He then spent 8m on Boumsong. then proceeded to offload O'Brien and Hughes. Not beyond the realms of logic to have told his chairman that in his professional opinion Boumsong was not worth 8m quid and use a few million quid to replace O'Brien and keep Hughes. So - once again, any shortfall in squad numbers is down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Another self inflicted problem by Souness though. He arrived at the club with Bramble, Hughes and O'Brien [who had got us into the Champions League and performed quite well for the part as Woodgate also played nowhere near 100% of games] He then spent 8m on Boumsong. then proceeded to offload O'Brien and Hughes. Not beyond the realms of logic to have told his chairman that in his professional opinion Boumsong was not worth 8m quid and use a few million quid to replace O'Brien and keep Hughes. So - once again, any shortfall in squad numbers is down to him. 66457[/snapback] In fairness, whilst i get your point about the money spent, in your own words you are claiming that when he arrived he has 3 centre halfs at his disposal in Bramble, Hughes and OB. But whilst we have yet to see the man in a Toon shirt (and i hope it remains that way) he has signed Craig Moore and Boumsong to add to Bramble. There may be an argument as to the abilities of those at our disposal and whether they are up to the job or not which i think we more or less all agree on however there is no shortfall in numbers in the centre half position since Souness took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Another self inflicted problem by Souness though. He arrived at the club with Bramble, Hughes and O'Brien [who had got us into the Champions League and performed quite well for the part as Woodgate also played nowhere near 100% of games] He then spent 8m on Boumsong. then proceeded to offload O'Brien and Hughes. Not beyond the realms of logic to have told his chairman that in his professional opinion Boumsong was not worth 8m quid and use a few million quid to replace O'Brien and keep Hughes. So - once again, any shortfall in squad numbers is down to him. 66457[/snapback] In fairness, whilst i get your point about the money spent, in your own words you are claiming that when he arrived he has 3 centre halfs at his disposal in Bramble, Hughes and OB. But whilst we have yet to see the man in a Toon shirt (and i hope it remains that way) he has signed Craig Moore and Boumsong to add to Bramble. There may be an argument as to the abilities of those at our disposal and whether they are up to the job or not which i think we more or less all agree on however there is no shortfall in numbers in the centre half position since Souness took over. 66460[/snapback] Plus the emergence of Ramage (although he's hardly played at centrehalf since breaking through). Is Huntington anywhere near ready for the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Souness continues to make an arse out of himself. And of course when he's still here in January, he'll be looking for a striker of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 The club is inept. a dislocated shoulder is easy fixed, shouldnt stop him doing CV work and if they keep an eye on it should fully heal and let him get straight back into playing. but all of a sudden hes out for another 12weeks!? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 The club is inept. a dislocated shoulder is easy fixed, shouldnt stop him doing CV work and if they keep an eye on it should fully heal and let him get straight back into playing. but all of a sudden hes out for another 12weeks!? WTF? 66468[/snapback] Seem to remember we had the same story with Viana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9899 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 The club is inept. a dislocated shoulder is easy fixed, shouldnt stop him doing CV work and if they keep an eye on it should fully heal and let him get straight back into playing. but all of a sudden hes out for another 12weeks!? WTF? 66468[/snapback] As much as I know a dislocated shoulder isn't that easily fixed. There is a high risk that the injury is recurring if you start doing sports too early. I had a team mate with a dislocated shoulder and the injury came again and again, every time he fell down or was putting to much weight on it. It took him nearly half a year to fully recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 he didnt have the resources available that taylor does. its only a matter of letting the ligaments reheal and tighten round the joint again. watched carefully it should have been fully healed by now. it doesnt stop him on the cycling machine, running machine etc to keep his fitness up. they will have been pushing him back for the sake of 10days extra and now weve lost him for another 3months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9899 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 he didnt have the resources available that taylor does. its only a matter of letting the ligaments reheal and tighten round the joint again. watched carefully it should have been fully healed by now. it doesnt stop him on the cycling machine, running machine etc to keep his fitness up. they will have been pushing him back for the sake of 10days extra and now weve lost him for another 3months. 66476[/snapback] When did the injury happen, at the start of November IIRC. That's 4-5 weeks ago. Even with better resources available that's quite a short time for a dislocated shoulder as much as I know. They definitely were rushing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 If 5 weeks was enough to completely heal with available resources then can he now be 3 months away from full fitness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 they were expecting him back next week werent they? a disclocated shoulder is simply strained shoulder ligaments after its put back in, it not a cruciate injury or owt!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 (edited) Another self inflicted problem by Souness though. He arrived at the club with Bramble, Hughes and O'Brien [who had got us into the Champions League and performed quite well for the part as Woodgate also played nowhere near 100% of games] He then spent 8m on Boumsong. then proceeded to offload O'Brien and Hughes. Not beyond the realms of logic to have told his chairman that in his professional opinion Boumsong was not worth 8m quid and use a few million quid to replace O'Brien and keep Hughes. So - once again, any shortfall in squad numbers is down to him. 66457[/snapback] In fairness, whilst i get your point about the money spent, in your own words you are claiming that when he arrived he has 3 centre halfs at his disposal in Bramble, Hughes and OB. But whilst we have yet to see the man in a Toon shirt (and i hope it remains that way) he has signed Craig Moore and Boumsong to add to Bramble. There may be an argument as to the abilities of those at our disposal and whether they are up to the job or not which i think we more or less all agree on however there is no shortfall in numbers in the centre half position since Souness took over. 66460[/snapback] I take your point, I had Moore in mind but didn't think he was even worth mentioning ........ I'm just frustrated and sick to the back teeth of bloody Souness now Edited December 10, 2005 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Another self inflicted problem by Souness though. He arrived at the club with Bramble, Hughes and O'Brien [who had got us into the Champions League and performed quite well for the part as Woodgate also played nowhere near 100% of games] He then spent 8m on Boumsong. then proceeded to offload O'Brien and Hughes. Not beyond the realms of logic to have told his chairman that in his professional opinion Boumsong was not worth 8m quid and use a few million quid to replace O'Brien and keep Hughes. So - once again, any shortfall in squad numbers is down to him. 66457[/snapback] In fairness, whilst i get your point about the money spent, in your own words you are claiming that when he arrived he has 3 centre halfs at his disposal in Bramble, Hughes and OB. But whilst we have yet to see the man in a Toon shirt (and i hope it remains that way) he has signed Craig Moore and Boumsong to add to Bramble. There may be an argument as to the abilities of those at our disposal and whether they are up to the job or not which i think we more or less all agree on however there is no shortfall in numbers in the centre half position since Souness took over. 66460[/snapback] I take your point, I had Moore in mind but didn't think he was even worth mentioning ........ I'm just frustrated and sick to the back teeth of bloody Souness now 66493[/snapback] Aren`t we all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9899 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 they were expecting him back next week werent they? a disclocated shoulder is simply strained shoulder ligaments after its put back in, it not a cruciate injury or owt!? 66490[/snapback] I think it isn't as harmless as you put it. If you have your shoulder dislocated once there is the risk that it will happen again because of the complexitiy of the muscle system in the shoulder. And the chance of a full recovery gets worse the more often you dislocates your shoulder. That's why it shouldn't be taken too lightly as much as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 they were expecting him back next week werent they? a disclocated shoulder is simply strained shoulder ligaments after its put back in, it not a cruciate injury or owt!? 66490[/snapback] I think it isn't as harmless as you put it. If you have your shoulder dislocated once there is the risk that it will happen again because of the complexitiy of the muscle system in the shoulder. And the chance of a full recovery gets worse the more often you dislocates your shoulder. That's why it shouldn't be taken too lightly as much as I know. 66498[/snapback] Think Isegrim is right. The more times the joint dislocates the 'looser' the ball & socket becomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Operator 10 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 A caller on the black & white phone-in on Century said he'd bumped into Taylor after the match and he'd said to this lad he reckoned he'd be back in time for the xmas fixture pile up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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