shackbleep 0 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 According to Simon Bird, Sunderland's wage bill was 82% of their turnover... http://t.co/Vb3hygy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Burtons Grandad 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 According to Simon Bird, Sunderland's wage bill was 82% of their turnover... http://t.co/Vb3hygy Hopefully that short arsed Texan will start to realise he has invested in a bag of shite and sell them to Lidls or poundland. Fuck me if FCB gets rid of the toon he could buy the Mackems, now that would be justice. Useless cunts altogether! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2244 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Sunlun's wage bill sounds horrendous. Be interesting to know what ours is these days, after the FCB's economy drive in recent seasons. Can't be many really big earners left - maybe Collocini, Barton, Smith, Guttierez, Nolan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marshall-Baines Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Their turnover was £65m and their outgoing £91m, when this new ruling comes in surely they'll be effected. Everton and Sunderland are of similar size as businesses maybe the mackems shading it, but what is telling is this. Newcastle made £31m off gate receipts in our championship season, Sunderland and Everton both made £12m in their Premiership season last year. I don't think anything illustrates how big the gulf between us and them two should be on a level playing field, better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I exciled in Liverpool, so it's been all over the radio today about Evertons money worry's £79.6m Income £79.6m operation cost Debt's are at £40m+ up £7m. This includes the lescott money @£23m Everton are in trouble as debt will continue to increase at 18million pers season with the current operation costs. Its a catch 22. You dont spend and try to reduce costs, squad deteriorates or you vastly increase debt to chase the four golden places. CT - ref the sub title of this thread - I don't derail threads. When this subject pops up, I point out similar to what you do here. If you want the "four golden places" it costs big money. Failure to accept this means you are accepting being also rans. NUFC are not also rans, well they are now, but shouldn't be. Its also a fact that many members of message boards [not just this one] wanted us to be run like Everton a short while ago, fuck knows why. Reality of football finance ? This is the reality of football finance. Clubs have debts, you have to accept it, its part of the game, and it won't change until players wages etc are capped or something, which will never happen. And even then, it would still disappear down a black hole as will be the case with our 35m quid for Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I exciled in Liverpool, so it's been all over the radio today about Evertons money worry's £79.6m Income £79.6m operation cost Debt's are at £40m+ up £7m. This includes the lescott money @£23m Everton are in trouble as debt will continue to increase at 18million pers season with the current operation costs. Its a catch 22. You dont spend and try to reduce costs, squad deteriorates or you vastly increase debt to chase the four golden places. CT - ref the sub title of this thread - I don't derail threads. When this subject pops up, I point out similar to what you do here. If you want the "four golden places" it costs big money. Failure to accept this means you are accepting being also rans. NUFC are not also rans, well they are now, but shouldn't be. Its also a fact that many members of message boards [not just this one] wanted us to be run like Everton a short while ago, fuck knows why. Reality of football finance ? This is the reality of football finance. Clubs have debts, you have to accept it, its part of the game, and it won't change until players wages etc are capped or something, which will never happen. And even then, it would still disappear down a black hole as will be the case with our 35m quid for Carroll. So if you were an Everton fan you would advocate getting into more debt? Your case for Newcastle using debt to increase turnover is valid. I don't agree with spending 7m a year on servicing debt, but you are entitled to your opinion. But you surely can't advocate it for Everton? We should be all over them like a rash trying to get Rodwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) I exciled in Liverpool, so it's been all over the radio today about Evertons money worry's £79.6m Income £79.6m operation cost Debt's are at £40m+ up £7m. This includes the lescott money @£23m Everton are in trouble as debt will continue to increase at 18million pers season with the current operation costs. Its a catch 22. You dont spend and try to reduce costs, squad deteriorates or you vastly increase debt to chase the four golden places. CT - ref the sub title of this thread - I don't derail threads. When this subject pops up, I point out similar to what you do here. If you want the "four golden places" it costs big money. Failure to accept this means you are accepting being also rans. NUFC are not also rans, well they are now, but shouldn't be. Its also a fact that many members of message boards [not just this one] wanted us to be run like Everton a short while ago, fuck knows why. Reality of football finance ? This is the reality of football finance. Clubs have debts, you have to accept it, its part of the game, and it won't change until players wages etc are capped or something, which will never happen. And even then, it would still disappear down a black hole as will be the case with our 35m quid for Carroll. So if you were an Everton fan you would advocate getting into more debt? Your case for Newcastle using debt to increase turnover is valid. I don't agree with spending 7m a year on servicing debt, but you are entitled to your opinion. But you surely can't advocate it for Everton? We should be all over them like a rash trying to get Rodwell. You've just got me thinking I don't think Everton have one player other than him who would make our first eleven better. Hand on heart I'd have Barton in his present form over him, genuinely. Who else do they have who would make a massive difference? No one really. Just well organised plodders, I fear for their future on and off the pitch, I think they'll just have to accept 9th-14th every season, which looking at the size of the club (by that I mean their fanbase and business) is probably their level till they build a new ground, and even then I doubt they'd get near filling it, nee chance at our prices. Think they'll just have to grin and bare it till someone buys them. In terms of value of squad, turnover and fanbase they're no better than 9th maybe even 10th at the moment. Edited February 16, 2011 by LeazesLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4506 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I'd have Felliani, Cahill and Distain like Stevie - for the squad if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Sunlun's wage bill sounds horrendous. Be interesting to know what ours is these days, after the FCB's economy drive in recent seasons. Can't be many really big earners left - maybe Collocini, Barton, Smith, Guttierez, Nolan? Financially we're moving quite quickly in the right direction imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Arteta and Cahill would make a big difference to our starting 11 as Nolan is carried in most games. Rodwell is certainly their biggest asset. Edited February 16, 2011 by Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Haven't seen much of Arteta over the last couple of seasons but I've always thought he was quality. That said, I'm not sure where we'd fit all our current midfielders in if they were all fit (Ireland included). Upfront is the priority and Everton's forward's are worse than ours. Agree with NJS about Distin like, I think I'd start him alongside Collocini if he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5025 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 I exciled in Liverpool, so it's been all over the radio today about Evertons money worry's £79.6m Income £79.6m operation cost Debt's are at £40m+ up £7m. This includes the lescott money @£23m Everton are in trouble as debt will continue to increase at 18million pers season with the current operation costs. Its a catch 22. You dont spend and try to reduce costs, squad deteriorates or you vastly increase debt to chase the four golden places. CT - ref the sub title of this thread - I don't derail threads. When this subject pops up, I point out similar to what you do here. If you want the "four golden places" it costs big money. Failure to accept this means you are accepting being also rans. NUFC are not also rans, well they are now, but shouldn't be. Its also a fact that many members of message boards [not just this one] wanted us to be run like Everton a short while ago, fuck knows why. Reality of football finance ? This is the reality of football finance. Clubs have debts, you have to accept it, its part of the game, and it won't change until players wages etc are capped or something, which will never happen. And even then, it would still disappear down a black hole as will be the case with our 35m quid for Carroll. The difference though Leazes is that anything other than Champions league is somehow below us and makes us also rans in your eyes. I agree that its a shame that Shpeherd couldnt find a formula to keep us there. I really do. However I am realistic about the premiership today. Without an Arab, there is no quick path to the golden four places. Lots have clubs have and are throwing money at it trying to get their and if they dont, they are saddled with horrific debts and wage bills. IMO we have to have some sort of solid foundation first whether that be Ashleys doing or another buyers. Only then can we inch our way towards it. First we need a solid squad, then we need Europe. With that comes more money, more world wide appeal to players and a better point to then try and launch an attack on the big four. Even with a decent squad, decent finances and decent players, there is still a hell of a climb between 6th and 4th. For that you either need silly money or a fantastic manager who can find new talent like Arsene does. I accept that a healthy enjoyable land exists between top four and also rans. It might never happen under Ashley, but at least a solid foundation is being laid down for either him or someone else to push on from. The days where we can compete financially with Arabs are a long way away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I'd have Felliani, Cahill and Distain like Stevie - for the squad if nothing else. Fellaini I've always thought was massively overrated, would you have him in front of Ben Arfa, Tiote or Nolan. Arteta doesn't look the same this season at all, and as I said no way would I have him in front of Barton. Cahill would be a possibility though, but only to play off a big front man, but Distin wouldn't let that greedy mercenary near a black and white shirt again. Phil not sure if you go to games regularly but I think that's a bizare statement about Nolan being carried, truly bizare, you have people calling for him to be in the England side on one hand, him being carried on the other, the truth is in the middle, but he'll always give us goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackbleep 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I'd have Felliani, Cahill and Distain like Stevie - for the squad if nothing else. Fellaini I've always thought was massively overrated, would you have him in front of Ben Arfa, Tiote or Nolan. Arteta doesn't look the same this season at all, and as I said no way would I have him in front of Barton. Cahill would be a possibility though, but only to play off a big front man, but Distin wouldn't let that greedy mercenary near a black and white shirt again. Phil not sure if you go to games regularly but I think that's a bizare statement about Nolan being carried, truly bizare, you have people calling for him to be in the England side on one hand, him being carried on the other, the truth is in the middle, but he'll always give us goals. Dare I ask about Leighton Baines? I don't rate Felliani at all, Cahill I'd have and I'd also take Jagielka for the squad but that's about it. Think we dodged a bullet with regards to Beckford too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I'd have Felliani, Cahill and Distain like Stevie - for the squad if nothing else. Fellaini I've always thought was massively overrated, would you have him in front of Ben Arfa, Tiote or Nolan. Arteta doesn't look the same this season at all, and as I said no way would I have him in front of Barton. Cahill would be a possibility though, but only to play off a big front man, but Distin wouldn't let that greedy mercenary near a black and white shirt again. Phil not sure if you go to games regularly but I think that's a bizare statement about Nolan being carried, truly bizare, you have people calling for him to be in the England side on one hand, him being carried on the other, the truth is in the middle, but he'll always give us goals. Unless it's a corner or he's having a chat with the ref I don't notice him that much. Where as Barton, Jonas, Tiote, Jose and Simpson are constantly on or looking for the ball. Maybe i'm being overly critical, but when Barton was suspended the whole balance went out the window and i think that was largely to do with him collecting and distributing the ball as a central midfielder something i never see from Nolan. I'd love to see the GPS stats on how much ground each player covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I haven't seen much football this season, but I always liked the look of Jagielka. How's he doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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