Tom 14011 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I think there have been a lot of factors in any 'decline' and obviously the daft investment at Chelsea and Man City have been important, as well as perhaps relying on & trusting youth a bit too much. Either way I think he's worth a lot more than the treatment he's getting after every bad result - it's completely over the top & often unfounded in the grand scheme of things. I really hope they have a good amount of years without a trophy, see what happens to the Arsenal TV lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I think there have been a lot of factors in any 'decline' and obviously the daft investment at Chelsea and Man City have been important, as well as perhaps relying on & trusting youth a bit too much. Either way I think he's worth a lot more than the treatment he's getting after every bad result - it's completely over the top & often unfounded in the grand scheme of things. I really hope they have a good amount of years without a trophy, see what happens to the Arsenal TV lads. Oh, I totally agree with you there, mate. I just think he's lost the plot about what a winning side takes. The daft thing is people say he won't chnsge his philosophy but the apparent obsession with pure, aesthetic football is relatively recent as his really successful sides were as much about pace and power (and a nasty edge) as they were about finesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Aye As soon as he came in he had them on the creatine & proper diets etc. There were proper rough sides - I suppose for every bruiser like Viera there was a Pires or an Henry but overall they'd be closer to Chelsea in physique/power than Barcelona etc. I think he's started to spend recently - which he always did - but never at the same level as other clubs. Looks as if they've capped 'star' player signings at about £40m - Suarez (the attempt), Ozil & Sanchez were all about that. I'm not sure they'd ever be able to challenge for the title as it stands mind - I think the financial power of other clubs would still hold them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) I dunno, the league seems to be opening up... remember that Liverpool almost won the league last year. Arsenal certainly could do it. I think the influence of the financial clout of teams like City and Chelsea will diminish actually. Sure they can keep buying all the best players but look at Southampton. They had all their best players bought over the summer save for Schneiderlin, and it's not held them back at all. The elite clubs can't keep buying all of these players, they don't have space in their squads. Well built teams will eventually trump them, I think. Edited January 2, 2015 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13869 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wenger losing all sight of what makes a successful Premier League team is what makes them so entertaining. I think his side is crying out for a Cabaye (Debuchy's obsession aside) because for all the possession they have, there's no one who can sit deep and dictate the tempo and then let the likes of Ramsey, Sanchez and whoever else make the chances. I'd love to think they're being left behind when it comes to Southampton, Spurs etc but Wenger will wrangle a top 4 finish out of nowhere, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The sense of entitlement of their fans is disgraceful. If only our managers had been as shit as Wenger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 His inability or unwillingness to adapt his team and tactics according to circumstances has gotten took a few of their fans. Football has changed a lot over the last decade or so. It is a bit mystifying how a good a coach as Wenger had failed to realise this. Mind they did win the cup last year so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 What - tactically - has he failed to adapt to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44882 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In case anyone's at a loose end at 11, BBC1 are doing an FA Cup Rewind of third round classics. Top of the bill? You don't need me to tell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 What - tactically - has he failed to adapt to? How he every time goes gung ho against the big teams that are technically and physically better than them for instance? Their record against the rest of the teams in the top 5 isnt that impressive in recent years is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Blythe 2-2 against Birmingham having been two up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Job secured by carver after going out of FA cup at first time of asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44882 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Saw Solano at the match v Burnley btw. He's back at the club doing corporate hospitality - he was all suited and booted following Bob Moncur around like the new boy at school. So when you see him in the Chronicle soon doing interviews about what a great job Ashley is doing, you'll know why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) It's like you live in an entirely different world from the rest of us. A world that finishes by 8pm, clearly. Edited January 4, 2015 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44882 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm happy to give you these glimpses behind the curtain though. Be inspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 All hail the king of the Roombas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33221 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Michael Owen is such a winnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 That Moyes isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17262 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Phillipe Auclair on Marseille: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jan/06/marseille-ultras-rule-temptation-never-far-away We were drinking Ricard with these fuckers before the semi final in 2005, they were brand new with us in their bar before and after but you could tell they were moody as fuck and not to be messed with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Havent really followed the la liga recently so found this interesting http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2320696-lionel-messis-barcelona-issues-more-complex-than-a-simple-manager-feud?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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