Ashley's Transfer History thread

[JawD 99]

I agree with that to a point, but not completely. With an excellent manager and good players you can do it. SBR done it not that long ago. Spurs are having a go now and they dont have the resources of Man Utd, Chelsea or City do. Thats not to say we can just stroll in there and join the party. This is what I was saying to LM recently. I think with slowly building (as opposed to trying to invest huge amounts too quick) you can get top 7.

 

It is harder now to get into the CL than when SBR was here and that was harden than when KK was here.

 

Why? Money. First it was Chelsea then it was City. Unless you find a similarly wealthy owner you cant compete with those. Even then without the right manager you struggle (City). I dont think anyone (apart from LM) can have a go at Ashley for that, he may have money but not that much. Doesnt stop him being a twat like (Ashley, not LM )

 

For me, if we start being ran properly and actually build each year to improve of the previous, we can hope for a top 6-7 side. I can live with that. Just a shame it cant be done with the owner and fans on side. Even if we do make that, I can still see him pissing us off fucking stupid idea's. though I often wonder how many of those idea's are his and how many DL's.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

I agree with that to a point, but not completely. With an excellent manager and good players you can do it. SBR done it not that long ago. Spurs are having a go now and they dont have the resources of Man Utd, Chelsea or City do. Thats not to say we can just stroll in there and join the party. This is what I was saying to LM recently. I think with slowly building (as opposed to trying to invest huge amounts too quick) you can get top 7.

 

It is harder now to get into the CL than when SBR was here and that was harden than when KK was here.

 

Why? Money. First it was Chelsea then it was City. Unless you find a similarly wealthy owner you cant compete with those. Even then without the right manager you struggle (City). I dont think anyone (apart from LM) can have a go at Ashley for that, he may have money but not that much. Doesnt stop him being a twat like (Ashley, not LM )

 

For me, if we start being ran properly and actually build each year to improve of the previous, we can hope for a top 6-7 side. I can live with that. Just a shame it cant be done with the owner and fans on side. Even if we do make that, I can still see him pissing us off fucking stupid idea's. though I often wonder how many of those idea's are his and how many DL's.

Spot on, if I wrote that Leazes would be off on one, let's see

[NJS 4389]

An excellent post, from Toontoon off skunkers, that place full of morons as per LM (TT being one of LM's favourite morons):

 

What you're forgetting is that it's Toontoon's fault that Ashley is now running down the club. He once inadvertently (though of course there's no proof) used the phrase "anyone but Fred" and the universe decided to unleash divine retribution on him and all the other doubters and force the Halls to sell to Ashley.

 

Toontoon then forgets that it worked 15 years ago so there's no reason it won't work now. Arsenal didn't build the Emirates, Man Utd and Liverpool aren't underwritten by yanks and several lesser clubs aren't underwritten by millionaires, including "the likes of Bolton and Blackburn" as only Chelsea and Man City have been bought.

 

There has also not been a credit crunch or recession so there's no reason the turnover of a North East business should fall or finance secured.

 

On top of that the current owner won't do the obvious - invest his own money to benefit the club in the attempt to get that investment back unlike the previous owners who put vast pennies of their own wealth into the club.

 

 

Enough fuel for a phrase bot meltdown?

[Toonpack 9463]

An excellent post, from Toontoon off skunkers, that place full of morons as per LM (TT being one of LM's favourite morons):

 

What you're forgetting is that it's Toontoon's fault that Ashley is now running down the club. He once inadvertently (though of course there's no proof) used the phrase "anyone but Fred" and the universe decided to unleash divine retribution on him and all the other doubters and force the Halls to sell to Ashley.

 

Toontoon then forgets that it worked 15 years ago so there's no reason it won't work now. Arsenal didn't build the Emirates, Man Utd and Liverpool aren't underwritten by yanks and several lesser clubs aren't underwritten by millionaires, including "the likes of Bolton and Blackburn" as only Chelsea and Man City have been bought.

 

There has also not been a credit crunch or recession so there's no reason the turnover of a North East business should fall or finance secured.

 

On top of that the current owner won't do the obvious - invest his own money to benefit the club in the attempt to get that investment back unlike the previous owners who put vast pennies of their own wealth into the club.

 

 

Enough fuel for a phrase bot meltdown?

 

[LeazesMag 0]

...here we go again!

 

 

don't blame me this time

You mention me in your posts and I will reply, simple. Most of your assumptions about me are wrong anyway

 

the irony.

 

But you think Mike Ashley is going to do better than the previous owners, right ? And you think his transfer policy is "better" [while we are waiting for the results to reflect it, 4 years down the line], right ?

 

Please clarify, or forever hold your peace and admit you are talking shite.

Arsehole!!!

 

I answered that yesterday why dont you read it? I never said Ashley was better. I have pointed out mistakes made by the old owners.

 

Do you think the old owners could compete in todays transfer market with the top 4 or 5?? If so explain how?

 

 

5th highest average league placing over 15 years, the same 4 clubs are the only ones to have also qualified for the Champions League more often during that time, the rise of the club from one that couldn't float on the stock exchange for 2.5m quid into one of the biggest in europe with one of the best stadiums to match, the signing of world class footballers including a world record transfer [that you no doubt disaprove of, going by your comments as you clearly think we should have found someone else kicking a ball around the exhibition park for free instead] - tells you they made more good judgements than mistakes. Clearly so.

 

I'm not interested in brainwashed cliches. Give me the facts, which is what I am doing.

 

Remind us again what you said 5-6 years ago ref replacements for the Halls and Shepherd. Did you know Man City were going to be bought by a bunch of Arabs or not ? What does that have to do with NUFC operating a policy of competing with the likes of Bolton and Blackburn and selling our best players and keeping the cash ie a sell to survive policy ? Did you or anybody else say this at the time ?

 

Next.

Edited June 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

An excellent post, from Toontoon off skunkers, that place full of morons as per LM (TT being one of LM's favourite morons):

 

What you're forgetting is that it's Toontoon's fault that Ashley is now running down the club. He once inadvertently (though of course there's no proof) used the phrase "anyone but Fred" and the universe decided to unleash divine retribution on him and all the other doubters and force the Halls to sell to Ashley.

 

Toontoon then forgets that it worked 15 years ago so there's no reason it won't work now. Arsenal didn't build the Emirates, Man Utd and Liverpool aren't underwritten by yanks and several lesser clubs aren't underwritten by millionaires, including "the likes of Bolton and Blackburn" as only Chelsea and Man City have been bought.

 

There has also not been a credit crunch or recession so there's no reason the turnover of a North East business should fall or finance secured.

 

On top of that the current owner won't do the obvious - invest his own money to benefit the club in the attempt to get that investment back unlike the previous owners who put vast pennies of their own wealth into the club.

 

 

Enough fuel for a phrase bot meltdown?

 

 

remind us again why you wanted rid of Fred ? Did you [or Toontoon] forecast that Man City would be taken over by a bunch of Arabs too ? And NUFC would therefore be forced to operate a "sell to survive policy"?

 

Stop moving the goalposts. "Anyone but Fred would do better than this" is EXACTLY what people said, and you know it. Just admit you were talking utter shite and stop making excuses.

[LeazesMag 0]

I agree with that to a point, but not completely. With an excellent manager and good players you can do it. SBR done it not that long ago. Spurs are having a go now and they dont have the resources of Man Utd, Chelsea or City do. Thats not to say we can just stroll in there and join the party. This is what I was saying to LM recently. I think with slowly building (as opposed to trying to invest huge amounts too quick) you can get top 7.

 

It is harder now to get into the CL than when SBR was here and that was harden than when KK was here.

 

Why? Money. First it was Chelsea then it was City. Unless you find a similarly wealthy owner you cant compete with those. Even then without the right manager you struggle (City). I dont think anyone (apart from LM) can have a go at Ashley for that, he may have money but not that much. Doesnt stop him being a twat like (Ashley, not LM )

 

For me, if we start being ran properly and actually build each year to improve of the previous, we can hope for a top 6-7 side. I can live with that. Just a shame it cant be done with the owner and fans on side. Even if we do make that, I can still see him pissing us off fucking stupid idea's. though I often wonder how many of those idea's are his and how many DL's.

Spot on, if I wrote that Leazes would be off on one, let's see

 

you don't bother me in the slightest, I just think you're a brainwashed fool. Those 15 years are the best in half a century, it may take another half a century before they are repeated, yet all people like you do is complain about it.

 

Absurd.

[LeazesMag 0]

...here we go again!

 

 

don't blame me this time

You mention me in your posts and I will reply, simple. Most of your assumptions about me are wrong anyway

 

you follow me around like a lost puppy. And you clearly think NUFC aren't a big club, which makes me wonder how much you understand and know about it, especially as you have not answered me when I asked you 1. if you are a Geordie and 2. Do you go to games and if so how often and for how long.

[NJS 4389]

Any response to Toontoons point's or are they too much like "facts" for you?

[LeazesMag 0]

Any response to Toontoons point's or are they too much like "facts" for you?

 

points made with hindsight, you mean ? I'm not talking about "hindsight", especially when its only done to avoid admitting you were wrong, like this. I answer people questions [when they obsess about it] yet it is claimed I don't.

I've made my point on skunkers, they all said "anybody but Fred would do better than this", but won't admit it. They all enjoyed all those european nights etc, yet said "anybody but Fred", and they know it. What does Man City being bought by a bunch of Arabs [which NOBODY knew was going to happen when they were advocating "anybody but Fred" got to do with NUFC becoming a selling club again ?

 

Is ANYBODY on skunkers going to answer this question ?

 

Because to date, nobody has.

[LeazesMag 0]

To get back on topic, NUFC are in decline. They are in decline because they are selling their best players, which pisses off the other best players, and keep the money. This is a selling club, operating like the clubs that sell to survive.

 

This is decline, it points towards further decline, and the only way it will end is another relegation and further depleted revenues as further apathy slowly sets in.

 

This is Ashley "transfer policy", and it is short term, not long term, annual profits gained by selling a player if it isn't done by operational means, and becomes more necessary the further the revenues go down, when put against our rivals. To put together a good football team, like idiots appear to expect under such circumstances and not being backed by your boss or owner, demands an absolute genius of a manager. They do not grow on trees, as people who point to Arsenal seem to think, probably the same arseholes who think every kid kicking a ball around Africa is the new Tiote.

 

This is football, and running a football club is not the same as running a branch of Halfords or a high street store.

Edited June 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

[NJS 4389]

Any response to Toontoons point's or are they too much like "facts" for you?

 

points made with hindsight, you mean ? I'm not talking about "hindsight", especially when its only done to avoid admitting you were wrong, like this. I answer people questions [when they obsess about it] yet it is claimed I don't.

I've made my point on skunkers, they all said "anybody but Fred would do better than this", but won't admit it. They all enjoyed all those european nights etc, yet said "anybody but Fred", and they know it. What does Man City being bought by a bunch of Arabs [which NOBODY knew was going to happen when they were advocating "anybody but Fred" got to do with NUFC becoming a selling club again ?

 

Is ANYBODY on skunkers going to answer this question ?

 

Because to date, nobody has.

 

You always attempt to deflect good posts by posting the same thing - if you read the thread where TT posted that you will find plenty acknoelwdgement that what we saw under the previous regime was great but you won't read that as it doesn't fit your agenda. The simple fact that someone can say it was great but was doomed (as recognised by their decision to sell) is beyond you. As is recognising that if it was as simple as Man City being bought there wouldn't be a problem. Why don't you actually read the post about wages and turnover?

 

The post is about how football is now and what it would take to match those achievments. There is no criticsim of the previous regime - only the point that what they did wouldn't work now - that isn't hindsight its just a well backed up opinion based on the current finances in football.

 

Your problem is you think any assesment of how things are in 2011 automatically means a rejection of the good times - it doesn't - it just acknowledges the changes in the game and looks at how things could be improved which is what we all want.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

To get back on topic, NUFC are in decline. They are in decline because they are selling their best players, which pisses off the other best players, and keep the money. This is a selling club, operating like the clubs that sell to survive.

 

This is decline, it points towards further decline, and the only way it will end is another relegation and further depleted revenues as further apathy slowly sets in.

 

This is Ashley "transfer policy", and it is short term, not long term, annual profits gained by selling a player if it isn't done by operational means, and becomes more necessary the further the revenues go down, when put against our rivals. To put together a good football team, like idiots appear to expect under such circumstances and not being backed by your boss or owner, demands an absolute genius of a manager. They do not grow on trees, as people who point to Arsenal seem to think, probably the same arseholes who think every kid kicking a ball around Africa is the new Tiote.

 

This is football, and running a football club is not the same as running a branch of Halfords or a high street store.

So what you are saying is don't worry about the finances, the money will come from somewhere. Pay top whack fees and wages,if a player wants to leave just throw money at him so he stays. You are a fucking financial genius

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Any response to Toontoons point's or are they too much like "facts" for you?

 

points made with hindsight, you mean ? I'm not talking about "hindsight", especially when its only done to avoid admitting you were wrong, like this. I answer people questions [when they obsess about it] yet it is claimed I don't.

I've made my point on skunkers, they all said "anybody but Fred would do better than this", but won't admit it. They all enjoyed all those european nights etc, yet said "anybody but Fred", and they know it. What does Man City being bought by a bunch of Arabs [which NOBODY knew was going to happen when they were advocating "anybody but Fred" got to do with NUFC becoming a selling club again ?

 

Is ANYBODY on skunkers going to answer this question ?

 

Because to date, nobody has.

 

You always attempt to deflect good posts by posting the same thing - if you read the thread where TT posted that you will find plenty acknoelwdgement that what we saw under the previous regime was great but you won't read that as it doesn't fit your agenda. The simple fact that someone can say it was great but was doomed (as recognised by their decision to sell) is beyond you. As is recognising that if it was as simple as Man City being bought there wouldn't be a problem. Why don't you actually read the post about wages and turnover?

 

The post is about how football is now and what it would take to match those achievments. There is no criticsim of the previous regime - only the point that what they did wouldn't work now - that isn't hindsight its just a well backed up opinion based on the current finances in football.

 

Your problem is you think any assesment of how things are in 2011 automatically means a rejection of the good times - it doesn't - it just acknowledges the changes in the game and looks at how things could be improved which is what we all want.

Good luck getting an answer to that.

 

Great points BTW

[LeazesMag 0]

Any response to Toontoons point's or are they too much like "facts" for you?

 

points made with hindsight, you mean ? I'm not talking about "hindsight", especially when its only done to avoid admitting you were wrong, like this. I answer people questions [when they obsess about it] yet it is claimed I don't.

I've made my point on skunkers, they all said "anybody but Fred would do better than this", but won't admit it. They all enjoyed all those european nights etc, yet said "anybody but Fred", and they know it. What does Man City being bought by a bunch of Arabs [which NOBODY knew was going to happen when they were advocating "anybody but Fred" got to do with NUFC becoming a selling club again ?

 

Is ANYBODY on skunkers going to answer this question ?

 

Because to date, nobody has.

 

You always attempt to deflect good posts by posting the same thing - if you read the thread where TT posted that you will find plenty acknoelwdgement that what we saw under the previous regime was great but you won't read that as it doesn't fit your agenda. The simple fact that someone can say it was great but was doomed (as recognised by their decision to sell) is beyond you. As is recognising that if it was as simple as Man City being bought there wouldn't be a problem. Why don't you actually read the post about wages and turnover?

 

The post is about how football is now and what it would take to match those achievments. There is no criticsim of the previous regime - only the point that what they did wouldn't work now - that isn't hindsight its just a well backed up opinion based on the current finances in football.

 

Your problem is you think any assesment of how things are in 2011 automatically means a rejection of the good times - it doesn't - it just acknowledges the changes in the game and looks at how things could be improved which is what we all want.

 

the problem with you and others is quite simply you are looking for excuses instead of admitting you were wrong, you allowed your hatred at a few PR gaffes, renting a warehouse and taking a dividend to blind you to anything else, and thought anybody would come in and stop all of these [fairly irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things] while retaining the revenues, desire to succeed on the pitch and the backing of the managers.

 

Quite simply, it was shite, spouted by people who had no knowledge or appreciation of the club they found in 1991, and understandable as crowds were less than 20000 - in other words 30000 people appeared and claimed they had always supported the club, when they had not, they were attracted to the club by the "trophy players" they now scorn.

 

As I said, even the position now, has no relevance to NUFC operating like a selling club. Mike Ashley has chosen to do this, because he is conning you, and all those who are unable to see him for what he is, a fat fucking con man dragging the club downwards and he is brainwashing you all.

[LeazesMag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

 

so you know fuck all about how the club was run between the early 1960's and when the Halls and Shepherd bought it ? So you have no idea of the state the club was in when they bought it ?

 

I thought so.

 

No bullshit, I don't do bullshit, I'm telling you how it was, if you don't want to believe it, carry on believing whatever it is you want to do in your fantasy world.

[LeazesMag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

 

so you know fuck all about how the club was run between the early 1960's and when the Halls and Shepherd bought it ? So you have no idea of the state the club was in when they bought it ?

 

I thought so.

 

No bullshit, I don't do bullshit, I'm telling you how it was, if you don't want to believe it, carry on believing whatever it is you want to do in your fantasy world.

[NJS 4389]

As I said, even the position now, has no relevance to NUFC operating like a selling club. Mike Ashley has chosen to do this, because he is conning you, and all those who are unable to see him for what he is, a fat fucking con man dragging the club downwards and he is brainwashing you all.

 

So if the turnover doesn't cover wages and anything beyond a modest transfer outlay what should he do?

 

And speaking personally he hasn't brainwashed me into getting a season ticket.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

 

so you know fuck all about how the club was run between the early 1960's and when the Halls and Shepherd bought it ? So you have no idea of the state the club was in when they bought it ?

 

I thought so.

 

No bullshit, I don't do bullshit, I'm telling you how it was, if you don't want to believe it, carry on believing whatever it is you want to do in your fantasy world.

What's that got to do with the question of how they would compete in todays transfer market and moreso how it would be financed?? Enlighten me o wise one

[LeazesMag 0]

As I said, even the position now, has no relevance to NUFC operating like a selling club. Mike Ashley has chosen to do this, because he is conning you, and all those who are unable to see him for what he is, a fat fucking con man dragging the club downwards and he is brainwashing you all.

 

So if the turnover doesn't cover wages and anything beyond a modest transfer outlay what should he do?

 

And speaking personally he hasn't brainwashed me into getting a season ticket.

 

you mean, you aren't attracted to the club like you were by the Halls and Shepherd ?

[LeazesMag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

 

so you know fuck all about how the club was run between the early 1960's and when the Halls and Shepherd bought it ? So you have no idea of the state the club was in when they bought it ?

 

I thought so.

 

No bullshit, I don't do bullshit, I'm telling you how it was, if you don't want to believe it, carry on believing whatever it is you want to do in your fantasy world.

What's that got to do with the question of how they would compete in todays transfer market and moreso how it would be financed?? Enlighten me o wise one

 

remind me what you said at the time, as I've already asked you. When is your man going to do "better than Fred" did ?

 

Stick to the league positions, european qualification ie the facts.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

As I said, do you think the old owners would have been able to compete in todays transfer market and if so how would it be financed??

 

I do consider Newcastle to be a big club

 

I do get to some games

 

And funnily enough, as my name suggests, I'm not a geordie. Does that mean I'm not allowed to support Newcastle?

 

In response to your other question I started supporting Newcastle in the early 1990's when I was working up there, no doubt you will have a problem with this.

 

Anyhow just answer that question above, without the usual bullshit,if that's possible

 

so you know fuck all about how the club was run between the early 1960's and when the Halls and Shepherd bought it ? So you have no idea of the state the club was in when they bought it ?

 

I thought so.

 

No bullshit, I don't do bullshit, I'm telling you how it was, if you don't want to believe it, carry on believing whatever it is you want to do in your fantasy world.

What's that got to do with the question of how they would compete in todays transfer market and moreso how it would be financed?? Enlighten me o wise one

 

remind me what you said at the time, as I've already asked you. When is your man going to do "better than Fred" did ?

 

Stick to the league positions, european qualification ie the facts.

He's not my man and he won't as there is a massive difference in the market now, do you deny the market is vastly different now??

 

Also why can't you answer my question about how the old owners could compete in todays market

[JawD 99]

I'll keep this nice n clear.

 

I dont think the club under the ownership of Ashley will achieve what the club did under Halls & Shepherd.

 

At the time I wanted Fred out and saw him as a drain on the club, he was not without his own PR disasters. Financially I didnt even consider what the club was like, who did? Football itself wasn't under the same kind of financial scrutiny.

 

I didnt want Fred out because of the success under KK or SBR, it was more the apparent decline as we slipped from one bad manager to the next. Each time Fred backed his manager which is what you have to do. Unfortunately they failed him (people like Souness in particular).

 

When Ashley came in, my view wasnt "anyone is better than Fred". I was more cautious and was saying "the grass isnt always greener". But it felt good when it initially happened. But just as Fred has his PR disasters so Ashley started to have his. Then I think he realised that the club wasnt quite on the sound financial footing he had hoped (his fault) and it was kind of down hill from there.

 

So now, we have ourselves in a position where I think we are being ran like a business, where risk is being kept to a minimum and I think the bottom line is that he wants the club to be an attractive prospect for any would be buyer. Until that happens I dont think we will be at risk so much and they are trying to be sensible in their approach. A little too sensible though as you need to have risk and take gambles in football to move forward.

 

I dont think he will necessarily sell our best assets at any given chance, as than lessens the value of the club, unless we get a good deal (Carroll). Equally it would be easier to sell the club if in 5 years time you could see the club wasnt going to be stuck with old players in expensive contracts (Nolan). In my opinion, its all about being able to sell the club if a buyer came along. In the meantime we'll be ran cleanly and yes, on the cheap.

 

We wont reach the heights we did under the Halls etc. It's harder to do so now, it takes more money and the competition is harder. Ashley wont make that kind of investment. Europe though maybe via Europa.

 

I've said before but while I understand some are pro-Ashley or Pro-Shepherd, I dont see how you have to be 100% for one and 0% for the other. Surely you can take a balanced view and see the pro's and con's of both?

[manc-mag 1]

*applauds*