At what point [percentage breakdown] does 'spite' factor into Ashley's running of the club?

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

I'm under no illusions that his running of the club is purely business related to generate a profit in all facets of the club's running ie. the cheap & tacky aggressive/confrontational stall trader made it big, with a lack of ethics to match. Ashley's greatest defendants see him as something of a revolutionary among a football ownership landscape, dominated by free spending media magnates, oil barons and Russian obliarchs.

 

He has a successful model put in place [built around running business' on a bare bones budget - look at the once classy Lillywhites store for a better example] during the height of what was an commercial economic boom time], and attempted to but has spectacularly failed to apply that model to the realm of football club ownership.

 

That's what i liken our club to at the moment, the Lillywhites of English Football.......... a cheap & tacky, despot operator setting up shop in a boutique & classy address [thanks to & built by his immediate predecessors] with the customer flow to match, running it on a skeleton budget aimed at maximising profits. One relegation later, the model has failed when applied to football.

 

He still hasn't learned [re: the sale of Carroll], but this is a man who imo is asset stripping the club [paying back money owed to him thanks to his lack of due diligence when purchasing the club, and the money he pumped into the club following relegation] while using the club's image & following as a clever marketing extension to his retail empire.

 

Back to the context of the post. The relationship [since KK's treatment] between the club's ownership & a large proportion of the supporter base has been built around a feeling of mutual dislike of one another. Ashley [in his dealings with Whelan, from a position of power in the retail market] haunted his hated rival for nearly a decade.

 

There's a story [presumably leaked by a source close to Whelan] that during a JJB boardroom meeting, during which time Whelan was offloading & reducing his shareholding, Ashley boasted to Whelan that he'd prefer to run Whelan's creation [JJB] into the ground regardless of job losses & losses to minor shareholders. You could interpret this affront as a kick to the guts, aimed at the bloke who once told him he wasn't welcome in the their club & likened him/Ashley to a gardener.

 

I have no doubt it. The sale of Carroll is about Ashley paying himself back - we have a glorified debt collector [casino operator] doing Ashley's bidding, his puppet in crime. But looking at Ashley's record of dealing with rival groups [personal & bitter rivals] he enjoys the confrontational political game as well. There has to be an element of spite in this................ in my mind it's 90-95% business, 5-10% spite.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Year Zero

[peasepud 59]

I agree with everything other than the spite bit, I think zero decisions are based on spite, he would have done the same things even if he had a great rapport with the fans. I think he enjoys doing them even more knowing hes pissing us off but thats different.

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

I agree with everything other than the spite bit, I think zero decisions are based on spite, he would have done the same things even if he had a great rapport with the fans. I think he enjoys doing them even more knowing hes pissing us off but thats different.

 

I'm not suggesting spite is factoring directly into his decision making, of the 'you know what, i'll rebrand the stadium & offload their academie's best product in over two decades just to piss those Geordies off' mindset.

 

95% is purely commercial decision making based [as inferred in the OP], 5% comes from the added personal satisaction of winding up & taking the piss, as you infer. And a source close to Ashley [whether that be allie or foe] in an article i once read [Times or Guardian, i don't remember which tbh] gave the impression that Ashley enjoys what he refers to as the 'game', the company in-fighting/ducking it out with & infuriating bitter rivals, just as much as the making of profits.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

I agree with everything other than the spite bit, I think zero decisions are based on spite, he would have done the same things even if he had a great rapport with the fans. I think he enjoys doing them even more knowing hes pissing us off but thats different.

He deffo gets a buzz out of being portrayed as a pantomime villain-type bad guy. He also doesn't give a fuck about what anyone thinks about the way he runs the club.

[Guest Your Name Here]

He started his time at NUFC loitering around the away end with the supporters and hanging around Blu Bamboo flashing his cash. He looked every inch the lonely rich man trying to buy some friends. Then he fucked Keegan around, fell out with his newly acquired mates, threw a huff and put the club up for sale. I’d be suprised if there wasn’t a sizable element of spite in his decision making.

[Matt 0]

It might not have been the model to start with, but now it's all about how whatever he does, fans will still show up because of loyalty to the club.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

28.4% over the last quarter

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Dramatastic

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

Dramatastic

 

Unbelievable, coming from somebody who has previously bombarded/spammed the forum with pro-Ashley/Dekka threadstarters for months.

 

 

 

Return to type lad........... that's your comfort zone.

[trophyshy 7084]

his actions and associated disregard of the fans opinions border on spite.

 

No reason to give him any benefit of the doubt, I think he gets a perverse pleasure out of pissing us off.

Edited February 1, 2011 by trophyshy

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Dramatastic

 

Unbelievable, coming from somebody who has previously bombarded/spammed the forum with pro-Ashley/Dekka threadstarters for months.

 

 

 

Return to type lad........... that's your comfort zone.

 

 

There's something about Zero.......

 

Not sure what it is but lately you have made quite a few anti ashley posts that are just not anti ashley football related, but more often going into great detail business wise.

 

The mans a self made billionaire in his early 40's

He employs thousands of people throughout the country

He generates millions in tax each year to help run the country

He helps old ladys across zebra crossings.

 

His business is pile it high, sell it cheap. Big Deal. McDonalds are McDonalds not Egon fucking Ronay. They sell a cheap unhealthy product but make billions world wide.

 

Hes a tough cookie to do business with and enjoys the rough and tumble of it. WOW.

 

Sounds like most self made retail millionaires. Do you think Alan Sugars whiter the white? What about Sir Philip green?

 

I cant make my mind up whether your doing some business course at A level or whether you've worked for Sports Direct, but theres definitely something odd about your posts of late.

 

Just call the man a CUNT like most who detest him and get it over with.

 

As to the spite part of your post, who the fuck knows or will ever know.

 

My opinion is that he has a very clear vision for how he now wants to run the club. Nothing and no-one is going to distract him from that path. He is not going to sit there and worry about bad PR.

 

I have no idea whether his goal is to syphon off money to recover his losses or build the club back up the way he thinks it should be done.

 

In hindsight, the Carroll sale hasnt particularly made that picture any clearer and it will be the summer window that tells you once and for all, everything you need to know about his intentions for the club.

 

Anything less than an excellent summer transfer window would be unacceptable.

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

Dramatastic

 

Unbelievable, coming from somebody who has previously bombarded/spammed the forum with pro-Ashley/Dekka threadstarters for months.

 

 

 

Return to type lad........... that's your comfort zone.

 

 

There's something about Zero.......

 

Not sure what it is but lately you have made quite a few anti ashley posts that are just not anti ashley football related, but more often going into great detail business wise.

 

The mans a self made billionaire in his early 40's

He employs thousands of people throughout the country

He generates millions in tax each year to help run the country

He helps old ladys across zebra crossings.

 

His business is pile it high, sell it cheap. Big Deal. McDonalds are McDonalds not Egon fucking Ronay. They sell a cheap unhealthy product but make billions world wide.

 

Hes a tough cookie to do business with and enjoys the rough and tumble of it. WOW.

 

Sounds like most self made retail millionaires. Do you think Alan Sugars whiter the white? What about Sir Philip green?

 

I cant make my mind up whether your doing some business course at A level or whether you've worked for Sports Direct, but theres definitely something odd about your posts of late.

 

Just call the man a CUNT like most who detest him and get it over with.

 

As to the spite part of your post, who the fuck knows or will ever know.

 

My opinion is that he has a very clear vision for how he now wants to run the club. Nothing and no-one is going to distract him from that path. He is not going to sit there and worry about bad PR.

 

I have no idea whether his goal is to syphon off money to recover his losses or build the club back up the way he thinks it should be done.

 

In hindsight, the Carroll sale hasnt particularly made that picture any clearer and it will be the summer window that tells you once and for all, everything you need to know about his intentions for the club.

 

Anything less than an excellent summer transfer window would be unacceptable.

 

As for your take on any degree of a personal vested interest behind my postings. You're way off the mark lad. What i've seen lad [in this man's running of the club, based on the continuation of retail market practices: which one would describe as being lacking in ethics] is a club, which was once run in a professional manner, now having it's guts ripped & stripped of it's class, hence my earlier comparison to Lillywhites.

 

BTW most of your postings read more like patronising 3rd party blogs, for the club's/Ashley's media department. Is that your moonlighting position - unpaid labour outside the illustrious earnings associated with driving cabs.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Year Zero

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Dramatastic

 

Unbelievable, coming from somebody who has previously bombarded/spammed the forum with pro-Ashley/Dekka threadstarters for months.

 

 

 

Return to type lad........... that's your comfort zone.

 

 

There's something about Zero.......

 

Not sure what it is but lately you have made quite a few anti ashley posts that are just not anti ashley football related, but more often going into great detail business wise.

 

The mans a self made billionaire in his early 40's

He employs thousands of people throughout the country

He generates millions in tax each year to help run the country

He helps old ladys across zebra crossings.

 

His business is pile it high, sell it cheap. Big Deal. McDonalds are McDonalds not Egon fucking Ronay. They sell a cheap unhealthy product but make billions world wide.

 

Hes a tough cookie to do business with and enjoys the rough and tumble of it. WOW.

 

Sounds like most self made retail millionaires. Do you think Alan Sugars whiter the white? What about Sir Philip green?

 

I cant make my mind up whether your doing some business course at A level or whether you've worked for Sports Direct, but theres definitely something odd about your posts of late.

 

Just call the man a CUNT like most who detest him and get it over with.

 

As to the spite part of your post, who the fuck knows or will ever know.

 

My opinion is that he has a very clear vision for how he now wants to run the club. Nothing and no-one is going to distract him from that path. He is not going to sit there and worry about bad PR.

 

I have no idea whether his goal is to syphon off money to recover his losses or build the club back up the way he thinks it should be done.

 

In hindsight, the Carroll sale hasnt particularly made that picture any clearer and it will be the summer window that tells you once and for all, everything you need to know about his intentions for the club.

 

Anything less than an excellent summer transfer window would be unacceptable.

 

As for your take on any degree of a personal vested interest behind my postings. You're way off the mark lad. What i've seen lad [in this man's running of the club, based on the continuation of retail market practices: which one would describe as being lacking in ethics] is a club, which was once run in a professional manner, now having it's guts ripped & stripped of it's class, hence my earlier comparison to Lillywhites.

 

BTW most of your postings read more like patronising 3rd party blogs, for the club's/Ashley's media department. Is that your moonlighting position - unpaid labour outside the illustrious earnings associated with driving cabs.

 

 

Aye you 45 or over?

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

Dramatastic

 

Unbelievable, coming from somebody who has previously bombarded/spammed the forum with pro-Ashley/Dekka threadstarters for months.

 

 

 

Return to type lad........... that's your comfort zone.

 

 

There's something about Zero.......

 

Not sure what it is but lately you have made quite a few anti ashley posts that are just not anti ashley football related, but more often going into great detail business wise.

 

The mans a self made billionaire in his early 40's

He employs thousands of people throughout the country

He generates millions in tax each year to help run the country

He helps old ladys across zebra crossings.

 

His business is pile it high, sell it cheap. Big Deal. McDonalds are McDonalds not Egon fucking Ronay. They sell a cheap unhealthy product but make billions world wide.

 

Hes a tough cookie to do business with and enjoys the rough and tumble of it. WOW.

 

Sounds like most self made retail millionaires. Do you think Alan Sugars whiter the white? What about Sir Philip green?

 

I cant make my mind up whether your doing some business course at A level or whether you've worked for Sports Direct, but theres definitely something odd about your posts of late.

 

Just call the man a CUNT like most who detest him and get it over with.

 

As to the spite part of your post, who the fuck knows or will ever know.

 

My opinion is that he has a very clear vision for how he now wants to run the club. Nothing and no-one is going to distract him from that path. He is not going to sit there and worry about bad PR.

 

I have no idea whether his goal is to syphon off money to recover his losses or build the club back up the way he thinks it should be done.

 

In hindsight, the Carroll sale hasnt particularly made that picture any clearer and it will be the summer window that tells you once and for all, everything you need to know about his intentions for the club.

 

Anything less than an excellent summer transfer window would be unacceptable.

 

As for your take on any degree of a personal vested interest behind my postings. You're way off the mark lad. What i've seen lad [in this man's running of the club, based on the continuation of retail market practices: which one would describe as being lacking in ethics] is a club, which was once run in a professional manner, now having it's guts ripped & stripped of it's class, hence my earlier comparison to Lillywhites.

 

BTW most of your postings read more like patronising 3rd party blogs, for the club's/Ashley's media department. Is that your moonlighting position - unpaid labour outside the illustrious earnings associated with driving cabs.

 

 

Aye you 45 or over?

 

Late 30's actually. I'm guessing the angle you're about to traverse based on age, my balls are bigger than your balls etc.

 

Going by your naive defence of this lot one would easily think that you weren't old enough to fully appreciate how the club was run over two decades ago, , how the club's journey [from Seymour/McKeag etc - Hall/Fletcher/Shepherd:capitalising on the club's size & it's potential scope for improvement - Ashley] has indeed come around full circle. It's quite feasible, and acceptable to throw in a couple of 'lads' into the equation, when conversing with you lad.

 

You're just as patronising, as well as being as thick as the proverbial brown stuff.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Year Zero