Alan Pardew - Poltroon sacked by a forrin team

[Happy Face 29]

Santon has had a better season than last year too.

[Monkeys Fist 43095]

Didn't CT give Jonas the MOTM the other week?

 

I'd say that represents an improvement

[Christmas Tree 4844]

You don't think your Shaney is any better?

 

Or Marveaux has had more effect in the leaue than he did last year?

 

Come on CT these guys are your bread and butter.

 

I think Shane looked better last season when he was allowed to play his natural attacking down the wing game. This season Pardew tried to get him to play Jonas style, "dont go past the half way line son".

 

Marveaux is one of the most wasted players at Newcastle and only limped into the first team pre christmas when Pardew lost Jonas and had no real choice.

 

Im sure Clarky will have him in great shape when he comes back just in time for the new guy.

[Happy Face 29]

I think Shane looked better last season when he was allowed to play his natural attacking down the wing game. This season Pardew tried to get him to play Jonas style, "dont go past the half way line son".

 

Marveaux is one of the most wasted players at Newcastle and only limped into the first team pre christmas when Pardew lost Jonas and had no real choice.

 

Im sure Clarky will have him in great shape when he comes back just in time for the new guy.

 

Marveaux was pish last year.

 

Surely if you think he's been the bees knees when he's [played, then that is down to Pardew's handling of him.

[Tooj 17]

I think Shane looked better last season when he was allowed to play his natural attacking down the wing game. This season Pardew tried to get him to play Jonas style, "dont go past the half way line son".

 

Marveaux is one of the most wasted players at Newcastle and only limped into the first team pre christmas when Pardew lost Jonas and had no real choice.

 

Im sure Clarky will have him in great shape when he comes back just in time for the new guy.

 

You know that Clark's quite a defensive manager right and was often criticised by Huddersfield fans for this despite their record under him? First team football in the Championship will have improved him not the workings of Clark.

 

You also need to realise it's not Pardew's fault that Ferguson hasn't shown enough for us because he's never going to be at the standard that you had hyped him up to be.

[McFaul 35]

He deserves another season, less than top 10 though next season and it's ta ra Pards for me.

[BigWalrus 0]

I think Shane looked better last season when he was allowed to play his natural attacking down the wing game. This season Pardew tried to get him to play Jonas style, "dont go past the half way line son".

 

 

Football doesn't have room for a "natural attacking down the wing game" as a standalone position. The modern wide man needs to balance attacking with hanging back to allow an overlapping fullback, as well as tracking an overlapping opposition fullback.

 

As a standalone skill, Ferguson is canny at running on the outside of the fullback and whipping a ball into the box. It's an easy one to defend as he's pretty one footed, but if we come up against a slow fullback, it could be useful.

 

What he needs to add to his game, is awareness of team mates, awareness of positioning and the decision making process of when to attack, when to drop, when to hold. This will only come with regular games and is why him being out on loan for another half a season at least is vital.

 

He isn't of a good enough standard to justify being a regular in the PL just yet.

[vimalraja 0]

I must say, whether I like Pardew's tactics or not (and most on the board would have to scratch their heads at times) I would take stability in management any day over swapping managers every 5 minutes. Pardew can and will improve. The players can and will improve (Obertan with exception). I'd rather see that with stability over chopping and changing.

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[Christmas Tree 4844]

Marveaux was pish last year.

 

Surely if you think he's been the bees knees when he's [played, then that is down to Pardew's handling of him.

 

What bollocks!

 

He started 1 game last season man!

 

And thats on coming back from a couple of years out with serious injury!

 

Imagine if HBA had only started one game from his comeback last season and then being written off. As it was, HBA was pretty dog shit as he came back until eventually finding his groove. Marveaux wasnt afforded that luxury.

[Christmas Tree 4844]

You know that Clark's quite a defensive manager right and was often criticised by Huddersfield fans for this despite their record under him? First team football in the Championship will have improved him not the workings of Clark.

 

You also need to realise it's not Pardew's fault that Ferguson hasn't shown enough for us because he's never going to be at the standard that you had hyped him up to be.

 

The fact is Clark prefers him as an attacking left sided midfielder / winger / whatever you want to call it these days where as Pardew sees him as a more defensive player.

 

Ferguson came into a dog shit team struggling like fuck and managed to set up three excellent assists, three matches in a row. Not bad for a kid. Im sure if Pardew had integrated him much earlier when the team was crying out for creativity on the left then maybe, just maybe HE would have done even better and the team may not have struggled as much in the months to follow.

 

Thats what a Moyes or Ferguson would have done having found themselves in a similar situation. Pardew doesnt have the foresight and only changes things when he has no choice.

[Tooj 17]

Or perhaps they wouldn't have done as they might think that he's not good enough?

[Christmas Tree 4844]

Football doesn't have room for a "natural attacking down the wing game" as a standalone position. The modern wide man needs to balance attacking with hanging back to allow an overlapping fullback, as well as tracking an overlapping opposition fullback.

 

As a standalone skill, Ferguson is canny at running on the outside of the fullback and whipping a ball into the box. It's an easy one to defend as he's pretty one footed, but if we come up against a slow fullback, it could be useful.

 

What he needs to add to his game, is awareness of team mates, awareness of positioning and the decision making process of when to attack, when to drop, when to hold. This will only come with regular games and is why him being out on loan for another half a season at least is vital.

 

He isn't of a good enough standard to justify being a regular in the PL just yet.

 

Naturally I disagree with most of that

 

Ferguson is good at running at the full back, whipping a ball in from the half way line (3 assists), can defend and his passing accuracy I imagine (HF) is very high.

 

As for his game getting better then of course it will out on loan, but it would also have come on leaps and bounds had he been utilised better here.

[PaddockLad 17685]

Or perhaps they wouldn't have done as they might think that he's not good enough?

Funny how CT claims that he knows how Ferguson and Moyes do things when he was tipping Pardew for England this time last year....Certainly any near 22 year old who had come through the ranks at manu and isn't really in the first team picture is either out on loan or is just about to be moved on, see Danny Simpson for details. That's the situation Shanes in too. At 22 hes unlikely to grow much more and sadly he reminds me very much of a 14 year old paper boy. Hes got a nice left foot but no real pace. Not good enough for where we're wanting to be I wouldn't have thought, but CT can see into the mind of SAF so what do I know?...

[Happy Face 29]

What bollocks!

 

He started 1 game last season man!

 

And thats on coming back from a couple of years out with serious injury!

 

Imagine if HBA had only started one game from his comeback last season and then being written off. As it was, HBA was pretty dog shit as he came back until eventually finding his groove. Marveaux wasnt afforded that luxury.

 

He made 10 appearances last year.

 

I'm not writing anyone off. He's not the answer to all our problems like you think...and thought of Shane before. But he'll deffo be happier with his 35 appearances this season than he was with those 10 last year. He's only managed as many games once in his whole career before. No credit to Pardew for coaxing that from him.

 

You wrap yourself up in circles of logic that defy common sense and base your argument on flights of fancy, the notion of what you perceive players are capable of, if only Pardew would enable them, not what they've shown when he has.

 

[Andrew 4872]

I'm not writing anyone off. He's not the answer to all our problems like you think...and thought of Shane before.

 

and Lua Lua before that, and anyone but santon or jonas in the time since

[Happy Face 29]

 

Naturally I disagree with most of that

 

Ferguson is good at running at the full back, whipping a ball in from the half way line (3 assists), can defend and his passing accuracy I imagine (HF) is very high.

 

As for his game getting better then of course it will out on loan, but it would also have come on leaps and bounds had he been utilised better here.

 

His pass accuracy is excellent. Second only to Gosling.

 

But on average he only attempts 12 passes per game which is among the lowest. Gutierrez and Santon both offer three times as many.

 

Once again, your argument is a flight of fancy, the notion of what you perceive Fergie capable of, if only Pardew would enable him, not what he has shown when he has been given the opportunity, which has only been glimpses.

 

 

[Christmas Tree 4844]

 

He made 10 appearances last year.

 

I'm not writing anyone off. He's not the answer to all our problems like you think...and thought of Shane before. But he'll deffo be happier with his 35 appearances this season than he was with those 10 last year. He's only managed as many games once in his whole career before. No credit to Pardew for coaxing that from him.

 

You wrap yourself up in circles of logic that defy common sense and base your argument on flights of fancy, the notion of what you perceive players are capable of, if only Pardew would enable them, not what they've shown when he has.

 

Started 1 game. 1 that's it. Just 1

[Tom 14013]

I think Shane looked better last season when he was allowed to play his natural attacking down the wing game. This season Pardew tried to get him to play Jonas style, "dont go past the half way line son".

 

Marveaux is one of the most wasted players at Newcastle and only limped into the first team pre christmas when Pardew lost Jonas and had no real choice.

 

Im sure Clarky will have him in great shape when he comes back just in time for the new guy.

 

Has he fuck

 

and have you seen how often Jonas is past the half way line? Even from full back he's down the wings.

 

and if Marveaux is wasted - he's wasted a lot of his chances himself by simply not being arsed.

[Happy Face 29]

Started 1 game. 1 that's it. Just 1

 

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ONE PREMIER LEAGUE GAME

[Happy Face 29]

ONE PREMIER LEAGUE GAME

 

Well corrected.

 

So he's had a better season this year aye.

[Christmas Tree 4844]

Well corrected.

 

So he's had a better season this year aye.

 

That wasnt in dispute.

 

The question was which players has Pardew brought on. Not playing them and then playing them is not quite what the questioner had in mind.

[Happy Face 29]

That wasnt in dispute.

 

The question was which players has Pardew brought on. Not playing them and then playing them is not quite what the questioner had in mind.

 

But you're the one making out he's the best player at the club now and the difference between relegation dogfights and title challenges.

 

Last year it's indisputable that he only put in one good performance in 10 appearances...not even Premier League ones either...lower league opposition with more time and space for him. He's got 3 times as may games this year to show what he can do.

 

 

I don't think he's shown that much more spirit when he has come in this year personally, but if you do think he's shown himself to be the dogs bollocks why wouldn't you give Pardew some credit. You gave him all the credit in the word for taking his time with Ben Arfa last year.

[Howmanheyman 33881]

Never wanted Pardew in the first place and feel he's way too smarmy and his constant arse licking of 'Mike' grates on me big time.

 

However........

 

Given how I feel Ashley does and will continue to run NUFC and given the fact that he achieved what he did last year with arguably a less talented squad, (Best, Llovenkrands, R Taylor left-back? D Simpson, Ameobi, Guthrie), then he's entitled at another go next year and as PL alludes to if we run with Ashley's plan we need to be prepared to put up with the odd shit season. Also despite it being painful on the ears maybe Pardew feels there's more than one way to skin a cat regarding the 'Mike' praise. I also feel one or two of his rocks of the team have let him down a bit through bad form and Colo as much as we like the lad has massively let the club down. Our Captain just wanted to fuck off mid season and this also hasn't helped our season alongside the injuries.

 

I say stick not twist for now. He must, and I suspect will, do better next year.

[Tooj 17]

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Where is it all going wrong for Newcastle United?

 

With four Premier League games remaining Newcastle United are two places and six points above the relegation zone -- a position that surprises even the most pessimistic Newcastle fans following last season's fifth placed finish.

 

How has it come to this? There are so many failings that if I was to write about all of them in great depth this blog would cover thousands upon thousands of words.

 

In my opinion the problems began in the Boardroomwhen they failed to strengthen on a squad that everyone knew was weak. The club's 'purples' signing policy left Alan Pardew short on quality. The signing of Vurnon Anita was also a strange one -- quality footballers are always welcome additions, but anyone could see that other positions needed to be strengthened before another midfielder came in. It is widely assumed that Pardew has little say in who comes in with Chief Scout Graham Carr identifying signings. Anita may well have been a signing that Pardew did not want when you consider how little he has used him throughout the season.

 

The board finally strengthened the squad in the January transfer window but by that point the league season was a battle for survival rather than something to build on after last year.

 

Pardew's 'Manager of the Year' titles seem to have changed how the manager thinks and operates. Time and time again this season Pardew has tried to make himself look clever -- the season has been littered with bizarre team line-ups, mental tactical reshuffles at strange times in matches and players playing out of position.

 

The most criminal of these is Pardew's use of Moussa Sissoko. Sissoko arrived in January and made an instant impact with a superb through ball for a Papiss Cisse goal at Aston Villa followed by an all-time great individual performance at St James' Park in the 3-2 win over Chelsea. Since then Pardew has opted to use the dominant French International midfielder as a Number 10 (someone to aim long balls at in Pardew's setup) or as a wide man. Unbelievable. Even French manager Didier Deschamps felt the need to scorn this.

 

It's not just Moussa though -- Cisse played the opening months of the season as a wide man, Jonas Gutierrez has played all the way across midfield as well as at fullback, Cheick Tiote has played some games in a more advanced position than Yohan Cabaye which is totally baffling. Even if Pardew sees Cabaye as a 'Quarterback' with the ability to spray passes around, his tactics often totally miss out the midfield making this role redundant.

 

There also look to be some other coaching deficiencies. We all now know that Newcastle haven't score a goal from a corner in 18 months and over 200 games. We all know that the next time Newcastle get a free kick anywhere between 35 and 70 yards from goal they will aim to Mike Williamson or Steven Taylor at the back post to no avail. Why? Do they not practice these things? Why so predictable and so unsuccessful? It's not good enough.

 

Newcastle supporters have spent most of the season watching ugly football. Their 'long ball' count has consistently exceeded all other Premier League teams. Players like Cabaye, Sissoko and Hatem Ben Arfa cannot enjoy playing in such an ugly, underperforming side.

 

Then again, the players have to take their share of responsibility too. Perhaps some Newcastle supporters overrate their players? The majority of Newcastle supporters rated Tiote as a £20million footballer only 18 months ago -- don't deny it! I was one. Did we overrate Tiote or is this another sign of coaching deficiency? How can a player who was so dominating and vital become such a liability? I can't speak for supporters of other clubs but at Newcastle there is a culture of footballers being regarded as either 'world class' or 'absolutely shocking' when in reality the majority of them are neither.

 

Pardew has bemoaned bad luck or, to quote a Pardewism, "we just didn't have the rub of the green" a few times this season. Newcastle have also enjoyed a fair amount of good luck -- look at Demba Ba's unspotted handball goal at Reading or the late, deflected winner against West Brom.

 

Tiredness has also been a regular excuse for the manager. While I am sure it has played it's part off the back of a Europa League campaign, Newcastle only played in two domestic cup games. Compare that to Chelsea -- Cabaye and Sissoko were said to be tired in the 3-0 capitulation to Sunderland but Chelsea's Juan Mata and Eden Hazard have played 114 games between them this season -- a lot more than our French duo, and they still look in great shape. Chelsea obviously have a superior player conditioning programme. Injuries have severely plagued Newcastle all season and far too many of them have been muscular.

 

The spirit of the players is a strange one. How can you explain so many late, late winners while also considering the absolutely pitiful displays at Southampton, Manchester City, the second half at West Brom on Saturday or the capitulation to one of the poorest Sunderland sides in years? Some of this is down to a lack of leadership on the pitch. The appointment of Fabricio Coloccini as Captain was a strange one -- Everton demonstrated how players can influence the officials when they won at St James' Park in January with Leighton Baines and company constantly in the referee's ear – Coloccini, on the other hand, is far from fluent in English. This has to have an effect. Quite what Pardew has said in the dressing room at times is also a concern -- his 15 minutes with the players at halftime can completely ruin performances.

 

This has been a long, unpleasant season. Newcastle will survive but a lot of things have to be addressed in the summer on and off the pitch.

 

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