Alan Pardew - Poltroon sacked by a forrin team

[Christmas Tree 4845]

Can you expand on that point CT? It seems a little simplified.

 

I would, but I fear being dragged into a pointless exchange. It's really fairly simple if you try.

 

Take it to twitter for discussion.

[Tooj 17]

You pick and choose your games to attack and defend. Reading at home is not the one to try and defend a 1-0 from half time.

 

Back to your duck posh boy.

 

An insult you could only expect from a posh boy.

[2bias 3]

Booing is for pantomimes not relegation battles.

Exactly. Booing doesn't help.

[acrossthepond 878]

About the booing, I don't agree and have never. When you've shelled out your hard-won cash, possibly for several seasons in advance, to watch a gutless side poorly mismanaged by someone who then turns round and has the cheek to blame you for the team's (and his own) failings, you have every right to let your dissatisfaction be known.

 

There's no reason why we should be getting beat off the worst team in the league at SJP. That was the very definition of a home banker. It was a must-win game and we lost it - so where do we go from here? Pardew plainly does not have a plan for getting us out of this mess (and I can't blame him that much since his hands are obviously tied - you can't play the players you don't have.) That would be OK if he weren't actually costing us points with his awful tactics.

 

I don't think he'll actually be sacked, but I think his time is up. It was a shocking decision to award him such a ludicrous contract (just another shocking decision in a series of shocking decisions by Ashley and Llambias - another one was signing no-one in the summer) and things are going from bad to worse. I'm not saying that replacing him will suddenly guarantee success, and I know our stock is not exactly high at the moment and that we'll struggle to attract good managerial talent, but I think Pardew's gone as far as he can go.

[Tom 14013]

Ok, you can't expand on it.

 

How does a manager account for 2 fairly freak goals in 5 minutes? Our luck in the box was none existant - our striker - wasn't having the rub of the green & could have scored three if he had.

 

For the opening 15/20 minutes of the second half we aren't controlling the game, our ''creative'' players are nowhere to be seen & we can't hold posession & struggle to win it back. Your team are low on confidence & nothing is falling for them - your desperate to get the result ''over the line''.

 

On your bench - you have the following.

 

21 Elliot

14 Perch

27 S Taylor

20 Bigirimana

25 Obertan

28 Sa Ameobi

30 Ranger

 

Now if you're going to make an offensive change - which way to you go about it? The only player on that bench with proper premier league experience is Steven Taylor and Perch,everyone else is fairly new to the league. Perch pretty much plays as a ballwinner these days - somebody who's going to break up play - which is important because if a five man midfield flnds fluency against a 3 man midfield* then you're pretty much fucked anyway - especially since the defence has been so poor. There's no guaranteed solution either way - as you simply don't have the quality. Pardew took off Marv who had a decent first half but didn't escape the dressing room for the second - Santon allows on of their lads to get a cross in - by applying little or no pressure - Williamson beats hit man to the ball - somehow fulmbles & the Reading player hands it over the line.

 

So it's 1-1 & which after the players reaction & lack of belief that's pretty much us fucked - like it has been all season & like it was last season - which is why a decent defence is so important.

 

The second goal was a fumble in the box from a striker who miskicked the ball - it's important to note that most of our defenders weren't watching Le Fondre who it fell to & we're trying to get the block in - fair enough - but no he miskicks it & Le Fondre finds the net through both Coloccini & Krul - he couldn't do it twice.

 

If Cisse had a decent foil yesterday - like perhaps Remy or whoever - then he might get a few more chances himself, it might not count as much, Reading will be more likely to lose their shape - but there was no such threat & Ameobi is only good for 20 minutes on a good day. If we had a centre half capable of maintaining a level of performance high enough to play in the Premier League - we wouldn't have conceded the first.

 

Reading - as they proved last week - look to have more heart & firepower than us. Now people can twist at that all they like but it doesn't change the fact.

 

Give Pardew a decent striker to work with or instead of Cisse - and a capable centre back and if he can't get us playing get rid and even that is harsh.

 

For me - the ''belief'' didn't look great in the opener against Spurs, whack a few injuries in there, lose a couple of players & it's no wonder we're shot.

 

Pardew has got fuck all to work with - you need a squad & we've needed a centre half for 3 years. Where's the replacements for Best, Lovenkrands & Ba? That's three strikers in two windows & we haven't bought one to replace them.

 

Pardew is at fault at times but not as much as Derek Llambias & the bloke holding the purse strings. Llambias should be sacked before anyone for negligence. Every man & his dog knew the squad couldn't cope & when you're trying to compete with a small squad suffering injuries it snowballs. Pardew might say he's happy with the squad but he says what he's told to say.

 

The PR at the club is a masterstroke if the blame is landing at Pardew's door.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Why are you wasting your time, Tom?

[Tom 14013]

I know man.

 

everything is pardewezz fault hezzz shit lol!1

 

marv

[2bias 3]

Ok, you can't expand on it.

 

How does a manager account for 2 fairly freak goals in 5 minutes? Our luck in the box was none existant - our striker - wasn't having the rub of the green & could have scored three if he had.

 

For the opening 15/20 minutes of the second half we aren't controlling the game, our ''creative'' players are nowhere to be seen & we can't hold posession & struggle to win it back. Your team are low on confidence & nothing is falling for them - your desperate to get the result ''over the line''.

 

On your bench - you have the following.

 

21 Elliot

14 Perch

27 S Taylor

20 Bigirimana

25 Obertan

28 Sa Ameobi

30 Ranger

 

Now if you're going to make an offensive change - which way to you go about it? The only player on that bench with proper premier league experience is Steven Taylor and Perch,everyone else is fairly new to the league. Perch pretty much plays as a ballwinner these days - somebody who's going to break up play - which is important because if a five man midfield flnds fluency against a 3 man midfield* then you're pretty much fucked anyway - especially since the defence has been so poor. There's no guaranteed solution either way - as you simply don't have the quality. Pardew took off Marv who had a decent first half but didn't escape the dressing room for the second - Santon allows on of their lads to get a cross in - by applying little or no pressure - Williamson beats hit man to the ball - somehow fulmbles & the Reading player hands it over the line.

 

So it's 1-1 & which after the players reaction & lack of belief that's pretty much us fucked - like it has been all season & like it was last season - which is why a decent defence is so important.

 

The second goal was a fumble in the box from a striker who miskicked the ball - it's important to note that most of our defenders weren't watching Le Fondre who it fell to & we're trying to get the block in - fair enough - but no he miskicks it & Le Fondre finds the net through both Coloccini & Krul - he couldn't do it twice.

 

If Cisse had a decent foil yesterday - like perhaps Remy or whoever - then he might get a few more chances himself, it might not count as much, Reading will be more likely to lose their shape - but there was no such threat & Ameobi is only good for 20 minutes on a good day. If we had a centre half capable of maintaining a level of performance high enough to play in the Premier League - we wouldn't have conceded the first.

 

Reading - as they proved last week - look to have more heart & firepower than us. Now people can twist at that all they like but it doesn't change the fact.

 

Give Pardew a decent striker to work with or instead of Cisse - and a capable centre back and if he can't get us playing get rid and even that is harsh.

 

For me - the ''belief'' didn't look great in the opener against Spurs, whack a few injuries in there, lose a couple of players & it's no wonder we're shot.

 

Pardew has got fuck all to work with - you need a squad & we've needed a centre half for 3 years. Where's the replacements for Best, Lovenkrands & Ba? That's three strikers in two windows & we haven't bought one to replace them.

 

Pardew is at fault at times but not as much as Derek Llambias & the bloke holding the purse strings. Llambias should be sacked before anyone for negligence. Every man & his dog knew the squad couldn't cope & when you're trying to compete with a small squad suffering injuries it snowballs. Pardew might say he's happy with the squad but he says what he's told to say.

 

The PR at the club is a masterstroke if the blame is landing at Pardew's door.

Bump

Edited January 20, 2013 by 2bias

[Christmas Tree 4845]

The bit you're missing Tom is the half time panic stricken team talk where the same 11 who had performed so well in the first half were given the negative instructions for the second half.

 

Did you not pay attention to J69's excellent post this morning?

 

Pardew lost the game yesterday. Not Marveaux, not Derek, not the Tories.

[Tom 14013]

The bit I'm missing just happens to be the bit that depends on fiction. Funny that.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14064]

He done a shit with his trousers on yesterday, lets not sugercoat it

[Tom 14013]

Who's trying to sugarcoat it?

 

Who's trying to look at it objectively?

[Aeris 0]

Who's trying to sugarcoat it?

 

Who's trying to look at it objectively?

 

Is there an objective version making Pardew look like he worked wonders on the sidelines?

 

Edited January 20, 2013 by Aeris

[Tom 14013]

If you don't back a manager or supply him with sufficeint staff to do his job - how can you place ALL the blame on him when it goes wrong? Would Mourinho work wonders with Williamson?

 

In addition how do two freak - goals - if anything down to individual error/handball & one complete farcical luck -- fall under anyones tactical remit?

 

Especially when there's nobody to bring on who can influence the game. You just can't account for it.

[Christmas Tree 4845]

Truly unbelievable stuff.

[Aeris 0]

When you play someone like Williamson in the first place (should've played Taylor, at least half the game, even if he's straight back from injury), you should always take into account the possibility of fumbled goals. That's why it's so important to set up a team capable of scoring lots of goals, especially against such a weak side as Reading where it should be easier than the rest to get them in.

 

What Pardew does (always), is to think that enough is enough with the attacking and creating, then feeling the almost manic need to tackle tackle tackle so we can get ball far far away.

Edited January 20, 2013 by Aeris

[Tom 14013]

You should always account for fumbled goals.

 

It's that easy. Football is easy.

 

''Mike don't make any unbelievably bad errors''

 

''No problem boss'

 

Is Mike Williamson a blue chip player or a tab butt on the casino floor?

[2bias 3]

If you don't back a manager or supply him with sufficeint staff to do his job - how can you place ALL the blame on him when it goes wrong? Would Mourinho work wonders with Williamson?

 

In addition how do two freak - goals - if anything down to individual error/handball & one complete farcical luck -- fall under anyones tactical remit?

 

Especially when there's nobody to bring on who can influence the game. You just can't account for it.

Your wasting your time.

[Aeris 0]

Point is trying to shut up shop and thinning down the possibilities of further goals (which has proved to be so very effective this season...nay) at 1-0 against FUCKIN READING, and with lots of time left is a shocking managerial decision that should be punished by sacking alone.

[Tom 14013]

If Reading were that bad - perhaps we wouldn't have looked so anonymous going forward?

 

We've got Cisse (misfiring) & Ameobi (good for 20m) as senior strikers. For comparison - Reading have four - & Simon Church - who I seen play for Huddersfield the other week & albiet in league 1 he looked a class act.

 

So they completely neutralised our attack & if that's the case & you've got fuck all on the bench - why not go for a one nil? They were playing a 5 man midfield & got a goal back & their keeper is on fire once you get past the 5 man midfield & between the back 4 - and then Cisse has a good chance of missing it anyway.

 

Llambias & Ashley must be laughing their backs off at cunts like you,

[Christmas Tree 4845]

Is Tom seriously trying to say Pardew wasn't to blame for yesterday's defeat?

[Brock Manson 0]

Simon Church - who I seen play for Huddersfield the other week & albiet in league 1 he looked a class act.

 

That's going a bit too far there!

 

He's possibly one of the best off-the-ball players in that he always Gareth Bales it towards the man in possession, but apart from harrying defenders when you're seeing out a game he's utterly useless.

[Gejon 2]

When you play someone like Williamson in the first place (should've played Taylor, at least half the game, even if he's straight back from injury), you should always take into account the possibility of fumbled goals. That's why it's so important to set up a team capable of scoring lots of goals, especially against such a weak side as Reading where it should be easier than the rest to get them in.

 

What Pardew does (always), is to think that enough is enough with the attacking and creating, then feeling the almost manic need to tackle tackle tackle so we can get ball far far away.

 

That's a brilliant idea, risk crocking him for the rest of the season so Williamson can cement his position as first choice

[Tom 14013]

That's going a bit too far there!

 

He's possibly one of the best off-the-ball players in that he always Gareth Bales it towards the man in possession, but apart from harrying defenders when you're seeing out a game he's utterly useless.

Aye it was the championship anyway - looked a good player. Which or course doesn't detract from my original point.

[PaddockLad 17685]

Is Tom seriously trying to say Pardew wasn't to blame for yesterday's defeat?

 

Well the real truth is somewhere in the middle.....its not as black and white as either of you are painting it, said the bloke sat on the grey fence