Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) I've only seen his home performances for us...but then if seeing more than that gives you a better view of his capabilities, then Pardew knows better than any of us, what with seeing him day in and day out. Once again, rather than accepting the FACT that YOU are wrong, YOU have presented US with a false dichotomy after your hollow points have been criticised--a rather childish display on your part. You're not completely thick. Consider this: it's not just how much you see of a player, but your ability to judge a player well that determines your ability to deploy them to good affect. For instance, you, being a poor judge of player, could watch a footballer for 100s of hours and still not have a clue as to their true value to the team. Pardew is a man who, when required to save his football club from relegation, decided that Mullins and Reo-Fucking-Hokey-Cokey were better options than Tevez and Mascherano. Clearly he is capable of making mistakes when selecting his team. He has done so by continuing to select the likes of Obertan over Ben Arfa, even if it means shaking up the team's structure. Our hand is being forced by an unfortunate injury crisis: do we adjust, or stick and lose points against the likes of Norwich? Edited December 11, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 you keep mentioning tevez not being played but didnt he actually get a run of games and goals to the end of the season that effectively saved WH from relegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I've only seen his home performances for us...but then if seeing more than that gives you a better view of his capabilities, then Pardew knows better than any of us, what with seeing him day in and day out. Once again, rather than accepting the FACT that YOU are wrong, YOU have presented US with a false dichotomy after your hollow points have been criticised--a rather childish display on your part. You're not completely thick. Consider this: it's not just how much you see of a player, but your ability to judge a player well that determines your ability to deploy them to good affect. For instance, you, being a poor judge of player, could watch a footballer for 100s of hours and still not have a clue as to their true value to the team. Pardew is a man who, when required to save his football club from relegation, decided that Mullins and Reo-Fucking-Hokey-Cokey were better options than Tevez and Mascherano. Clearly he is capable of making mistakes when selecting his team. He has done so by continuing to select the likes of Obertan over Ben Arfa, even if it means shaking up the team's structure. Our hand is being forced by an unfortunate injury crisis: do we adjust, or stick and lose points against the likes of Norwich? The injury crisis had had no effect on the left or the right or up front. Barfa being started or not is entirely tactical. Of course you have the imaginary scenario of barfa winning the game for us single handedly if played to support your argument. I'm sure you're right and he'll rape swansea once colo is back and we don't need shola's height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) EDIT: Shola really made the difference in that match, his height, his immense skills with a head. Totally would have been 8-0 if its wasnt for him and his assists aswell! GOLDEN! Edited December 12, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Tbh, Shola obviously didn't do much at Norwich preventing the goals from happening, so I don't really see how he helped in that match compared to what Ben Arfa would have done both upfront or at the wing instead of Overtard. I'd personally prefer Ben Arfa on the wing though anytime, on left, and Jonas on the right (when will Tards realize a left-foot goes to the left and a right foot goes to the right???). well shola got an assist and nearly another when Ba grazed the bar are you suggesting Ben Arfa would definitely have done more? despite not getting a goal or assist yet and yes I know hes only started against the top sides but hes had time against lesser teams too and not quite produced yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Shola literally served balls on a plate for Ba that match. Mastermind! Edited December 12, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 so assists are meaningless then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Of course you have the imaginary scenario of barfa winning the game for us single handedly if played to support your argument. We have the very real scenario of Obertan contributing little to nothing every time he plays to support my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 The injury crisis had had no effect on the left or the right or up front. Barfa being started or not is entirely tactical. The injury crisis is so severe I think it'd be worth contemplating a change in tactics because of it. Suggesting the loss of our core, Tiote and Colo, has no effect on the rest of the team is hallucinatory gibberish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) That's what The injury crisis had had no effect on the left or the right or up front. Barfa being started or not is entirely tactical. The injury crisis is so severe I think it'd be worth contemplating a change in tactics because of it. Suggesting the loss of our core, Tiote and Colo, has no effect on the rest of the team is hallucinatory gibberish. Pards has Plans from the letter A to the letter Z Edited December 12, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) The injury crisis had had no effect on the left or the right or up front. Barfa being started or not is entirely tactical. The injury crisis is so severe I think it'd be worth contemplating a change in tactics because of it. Suggesting the loss of our core, Tiote and Colo, has no effect on the rest of the team is hallucinatory gibberish. Agreed...the tactical change I spoke of was to bring in something you lose when you're missing Colo and Taylor (not so much Tiote who's been missing a while and Guthrie/Gosling have filled in for admirably)....Ameobi offered some height to help defend set pieces, an area everyone could see they were going to exploit....and did so regardless. How anyone thinks Ben Arfa fills any tactical gap left by Colo/Taylor is beyond me. If you're going to argue he deserves a place ahead of anyone on merit, that's fair enough, I would hope he does in Pardew's eyes soon and can't wait for the day he actually justifies it. But I cannot see any way that his inclusion can be justified by our injury problems at the moment. Edited December 11, 2011 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nortoon 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 So he sent some lucky passes? It was Ba who did the job, could've been anybody sending that pass. Still doesn't defend putting a shitter player on the field because you are mistakingly believing he's gonna a better job defensively because he's taller. Shola didn't help shit... What complete bollocks, "lucky passes". The assist was very well taken. And the pass for Ba where he should maybe have scored was a great piece of play. Tricked his man, and found Ba with an unpredictable chip. Shola did his fair share that match. I'd love to see Ben Arfa play but I think it should be on the right personally. 2 strikers have worked well for us so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) So he sent some lucky passes? It was Ba who did the job, could've been anybody sending that pass. Still doesn't defend putting a shitter player on the field because you are mistakingly believing he's gonna a better job defensively because he's taller. Shola didn't help shit... What complete bollocks, "lucky passes". The assist was very well taken. And the pass for Ba where he should maybe have scored was a great piece of play. Tricked his man, and found Ba with an unpredictable chip. Shola did his fair share that match. I'd love to see Ben Arfa play but I think it should be on the right personally. 2 strikers have worked well for us so far. There are rules round these parts. Shola, Perch, Obertan, Lovenkrands, Simpson, Ryan Taylor, Smith...they do owt well? luck, pure and simple they're shit and deserve nothing but contempt for every touch (though I've never seen an example of owt done well from the latter). Colo, Barfa, Tiote, Ba, Cabaye, Krul...they fuck up? All well and good, they're quality and deserve patience. Edited December 11, 2011 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Shola, Perch, Obertan, Lovenkrands, Simpson, Ryan Taylor, Smith, all of them fit for the Champions League! Edited December 12, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 and therefore everything they do on the pitch thats good is a total accident oh, and assists definitely don't mean anything in fact I don't even know why getting players that create goals is considered remotely important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Shola, Perch, Obertan, Lovenkrands, Simpson, Ryan Taylor, Smith, all of them Championship level at best... There must be loads of Championshop level players in this league then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Norwich would be in 1st place if they had players like Lovenkrands and Smith. Edited December 12, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) I think Steven Taylor and Jonas are the ONLY players in our squad who aren't either world class and able to win a place in most top teams, or utter dogshit and barely deserving of Championship football. Edited December 11, 2011 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Norwich are 9th in the premier league so obviously 10-20th place are all worse than norwich too and are therefore all CCC quality at best aeris, your logic is utterly baffling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 It's irrelevant, you are the one who is totaly off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 how am I? I'm addressing your points its not my fault theyre nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 It's no surprise that YOU are still unwilling to answer MY simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) It's no surprise that YOU are still unwilling to answer MY simple question. Where is the question, and who is YOU? Semmimental: so assists are meaningless then? ...no answer Kevin S.Assillekunt: It's no surprise that YOU are still unwilling to answer MY simple question same guy two accounts? Edited December 11, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 It's no surprise that YOU are still unwilling to answer MY simple question. Where is the question, and who is YOU? Semmimental: so assists are meaningless then? ...no answer Kevin S.Assillekunt: It's no surprise that YOU are still unwilling to answer MY simple question same guy two accounts? Was wondering that myself could be aimed at any of three of us there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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