Hughton Sacked

[Guest WDP]

The two recent away defeats were down to a lack of squad depth rather than a lack of commitment imo. And we got a draw against Chelsea that we deserved. I know they're on a bad run but we had some of our most important players missing at the same time. I think it would be impossible for a squad / team with limited ability to maintain the level of performance and commitment we've shown in games like the Sunderland one in any case. That's not a reflection on the manager 'losing the dressing room' though, it's just inevitable because we're a lower mid-table side at best.

Anyway, essentially they gave Hughton a job on a pittance, he performed above expectations, they said he'd get a new contract and then they sacked him. Utter disgrace imo.

Word for word what I said in the WBA match thread. I think Shola's commitment levels have went down from the Sunderland game but that's Shola for you. Campbell gave him a right bollocking on Sunday.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Alex's assessment there is spot on I say

[Guest WDP]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

[Guest alex]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Howay man, Ancelotti's side's had a similar run. I'm not one who buys into the notion stability in itself breeds success but chopping and changing on the back of a few iffy results is a recipe for disaster.

[Phil 6]

Seriously though CT. What evidence could you possibly cite that this is well planned? You were gutted Hughton went yesterday and were having a pop at Ashley and now you're putting forward the notion it may all be part of some master plan. And you wonder why you have about as much credibilty and Kevin and Attain.

 

 

Initially I thought this was a stunt to avoid spending money in January.

 

But, if this was the case, he'd have done it in January. Our next games are Liverpool, Birmingham (away), Man-city and Tottenham, so if the post about forecasting results is true - the timing interesting.

 

None of this suggests it was well planned, but I guess what I'm trying to say it we have to wait to see which manager is brought in and who arrives in January.

[Guest WDP]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

[manc-mag 1]

Parky and jaythesouthernmag guilty of goldfish memories here tbf. Nobody ever won owt with that sort of approach to buidling a football team.

[manc-mag 1]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

 

Eamonn to that.

[LeazesMag 0]

With Paul Barron gone as well we really must be running low on coaching staff, I can't imagine any new manager coming in without needing a few more faces around the club to help run things - but I can't see Ashley forking out for that either. Knowing our luck we'll get someone like Darren Ferguson, an experienced manager, but only 'outside' the Prem, Ashley could go against his word... but who would believe that?

 

plenty of managers at Sports Direct

Edited December 7, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Happy Face 29]

The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

 

Steven Taylor back in the team

 

 

[Park Life 71]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

 

Oh I agree, the Arsenal game was a magnificent performance. But the players started doing silly things vis a vie the Blackburn, Bolton games. Think the WBA game we just our B team out. Don't really blame CH for that. Just to re-iterate he has done well under intense pressure from Cashley, limited money and a poor squad.

[wykikitoon 20915]

Couldnt we have just sacked Shola?

[Guest WDP]

The fact is our really good performances were nothing more than a hinderance to the inevitable of our fat meglomaniac bastard owners plans. Looking for criticisms iof the last 4 weeks is completely short sighted, and even then there are genuine reasons for our last few performances. Do you think Mourinho could make Smith look like a Premiership player? Do one.

Edited December 7, 2010 by WDP

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Seriously though CT. What evidence could you possibly cite that this is well planned? You were gutted Hughton went yesterday and were having a pop at Ashley and now you're putting forward the notion it may all be part of some master plan. And you wonder why you have about as much credibilty and Kevin and Attain.

 

Didnt say I had evidence or that it was the case, just throwing out a different and probably most likely reason for Yesterdays events.

 

There has been a lot of talk of too much player involvement, we know Ashley wanteg to change things back in October. There are already lots of whispers starting to come out. You have even said your grannys cousin is responsible for Tiote and Ben Arfa and not Hughton.

If they really didnt have any confidence in Chris because of what goes on behind the scenes, then they have to get rid and find someone they can get behind.

 

All that being the case, I would rather this action was done now, rather than after the Jan window has closed.

 

It may be easy for some to buy into the theory that this was done just because ashley wants to be a twat, but seems a bit far fetched to me.

 

What happens next will make or break this decision.

No one's really suggesting he did it just to be a twat. It's more people think Ashley is delusional if he thinks the club should be in a better league position with the squad we have.

As for the bit in bold. Graham Carr was my Grandma's cousin and he is chief scout at the club. He did identify both of those players as potential targets which the club then followed up. That's what scouts do.

 

But what if and its not really a big if....that its not for that reason and it is simply because he didnt think Hughton was good enough.

 

What if it was the players picking the team

What if there was no discipline behind the scenes

What if they see no great tactician

What if his team selection has virtually picked itself

And it sounds like he's had very little involvement in team selection

 

Take away alot of that and your left with a very good caretaker who was doing ok.

 

If Ashley sees or hears all this, has no faith in Hughton and wants to push on, prior to the jan window, then he's made the right decision.

 

For example, if Jol gets appointed this week and is given a decent budget for January then I and probably most Newcastle fans will look back on yesterday as a good decision.

 

If its pardew......

Why would the players, almost to a man, come out in support of him and play for him like they have, if that was the case? Makes no sense to me. We'll see how this plays out but I don't have a lot of faith in Ashley to get it right. Even if someone like Jol or O'Neill comes in (and I'd be very pleased under the circumstances) I suspect Ashley will fuck that up too.

 

Lets just revisit when it all started going so well, pre season after relegation. Statements like ..."us four players got together and decided to lay down the law and those who didnt agree could fuck off..... Nolan, Smith, Harper and Barton.

[LeazesMag 0]

Where would we be if we had only picked up a few points from our next 4 or 5 games, which is a distinct possibility. Relegation zone and sucked into a fight to survive which frankly we didn't do to well in last time.

 

Ashley had a decision to make, either stick with Houghton or look elsewhere. It's obvious he doesn't have the faith required to let Chris have a go and to be honest some of his tactics/subs and purchases have been a bit dodgy. Ben Arfa and Tiote are both class but look at Sol,Pearch and Best, woeful.

 

you can't put together a good team on the cheap mate, how many times does this have to spelt out.

 

Without a drastic change in outlook, the next manager is also fucked, whoever he is. Hughton was always going to leave either 1. because he got a better offer or 2. he didn't manage to qualify for europe and get the crowds back with no money. I said this numerous times, and this is what it all boils down to in the end.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

No knob head, I know we played well against Arsenal and yes it was 4 weeks ago but barring the Chelsea game we ave been gash. 2 points from 15??? What if after the next 4 or 5 we were at the bottom, what would you do? watch re runs of the Arsenal game??

[Mac-Toon 1]

Couldnt we have just sacked Shola?

Howay, man. Shola's going to have a fresh start now. How long before he's in the chronicle saying 'he'll prove to the next manager that he's an integral cog in the NUFC engine'.

[Happy Face 29]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

No knob head, I know we played well against Arsenal and yes it was 4 weeks ago but barring the Chelsea game we ave been gash. 2 points from 15??? What if after the next 4 or 5 we were at the bottom, what would you do? watch re runs of the Arsenal game??

 

Still above Chelsea in the current form table....and Villa....and Everton.....

 

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/engla...form-table/full

[LeazesMag 0]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

 

Oh I agree, the Arsenal game was a magnificent performance. But the players started doing silly things vis a vie the Blackburn, Bolton games. Think the WBA game we just our B team out. Don't really blame CH for that. Just to re-iterate he has done well under intense pressure from Cashley, limited money and a poor squad.

 

Jonas has looked like he has been playing for a move lately, and just like the Dyer and Bowyer incident was indicative of over emphasis by the manager on confrontation which spilled itself too far, these small things are certainly an indication of things not being too happy behind the scenes. It still boils down to lack of quality in the end.

[Guest alex]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

No knob head, I know we played well against Arsenal and yes it was 4 weeks ago but barring the Chelsea game we ave been gash. 2 points from 15??? What if after the next 4 or 5 we were at the bottom, what would you do? watch re runs of the Arsenal game??

If, after the next 4 or 5 games we're in the bottom 3, do we then sack the new manager?

[Ken 119]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

No knob head, I know we played well against Arsenal and yes it was 4 weeks ago but barring the Chelsea game we ave been gash. 2 points from 15??? What if after the next 4 or 5 we were at the bottom, what would you do? watch re runs of the Arsenal game??

 

You still don't get it do you?

Fuck me man, anyone can see we have a lack of bodies, a lack of quality bodies in the squad. So changing manager will fix that will it?

Do you understand now or shall I draw a diagram for you with stick figures?

[Asprilla 96]

Assange arrested

+1

 

 

[Mac-Toon 1]

Think there were signs that the players had started to lose their way. The silly bans - Collo, Barton etc...The lack of interest from Guti...By any standard there have been some poor performances of late and I sensed a lack of commitment from some of the players. Just saying like.

You're a good lad and all that Parky, but that's pish. The performance at Arsenal was one of the most committed I've seen off a toon team ever. That's only 3/4 weeks ago.

And the performance against WBA was shocking and that was 3 days ago and the one agaist Bolton was a week ago, things were slipping and thats a fact

Read Alex's post above.

I did then I read the shit you posted

What that it was 3/4 weeks ago we produced one of the most committed showings I've ever seen you stupid cunt? Well we did. The reasons our form suffered are obvious.

No knob head, I know we played well against Arsenal and yes it was 4 weeks ago but barring the Chelsea game we ave been gash. 2 points from 15??? What if after the next 4 or 5 we were at the bottom, what would you do? watch re runs of the Arsenal game??

If, after the next 4 or 5 games we're in the bottom 3, do we then sack the new manager?

Stop asking sensible, relevant questions, Alex.