parkinpants 0 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 If it were up to me I'd ban protesting in cities altogether.... the thought of paying coppers to stand around all day (for the peaceful protests) riles me...... but at the same time I love a bit of anarchy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15740 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 There were tweets last night about how wrong it was for the police to be keeping the poor bairns standing out in the cold for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 shit video. awful editing and sound etc. ruins the whole destruction and passion of the riots. Feel sorry for the sad cunt who sat making it. Anyway, get the fees down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinpants 0 Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 I know you secretly love it Kevin.... x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4856 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I know you secretly love it Kevin....x You got me My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 Everyone is being forced through uni now adays, true dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinpants 0 Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I would have "national service" for all the students who leave uni without jobs...... of which i imagine there are plenty right now. I'd get 'em to build lots of castles.... to bring in the Japs.... to save the economy. Edited November 26, 2010 by parkinpants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Kevin, I think you should make one of your special animated films in support. It could turn the tide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Pretty sick and tired of hearing/reading this sort of thing. Most people who knock media courses probably don't know or understand what goes in them, that or they're against it because it's a relatively new educational subject and does not have the standing of your usual more academic courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4856 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Pretty sick and tired of hearing/reading this sort of thing. Most people who knock media courses probably don't know or understand what goes in them, that or they're against it because it's a relatively new educational subject and does not have the standing of your usual more academic courses. Then you read up about them. There are scarsely any jobs in this industry but it is considered a "cool" degree to do. It is verging on criminally dishonest to get someone wasting years of their life studying for something where the likelyhood of obtaining a job at the end of it is remote. (especially if they want the taxpayer to pay for it). It was all good and well when money was aplenty and work too, for kids to have a jolly old time studying poetry etc etc etc. But really, what is the point of setting stupid targets to cram more and more kids through uni doing stupid courses when their is nothing at the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Pretty sick and tired of hearing/reading this sort of thing. Most people who knock media courses probably don't know or understand what goes in them, that or they're against it because it's a relatively new educational subject and does not have the standing of your usual more academic courses. Then you read up about them. There are scarsely any jobs in this industry but it is considered a "cool" degree to do. It is verging on criminally dishonest to get someone wasting years of their life studying for something where the likelyhood of obtaining a job at the end of it is remote. (especially if they want the taxpayer to pay for it). It was all good and well when money was aplenty and work too, for kids to have a jolly old time studying poetry etc etc etc. But really, what is the point of setting stupid targets to cram more and more kids through uni doing stupid courses when their is nothing at the end of it. The whole point of universities are that they are devoted to the academic pursuit of learning. Getting a job when you graduate is not the end in itself. Scholars are expected to add to the body of knowledge through their immersion in the subject. I assume that's why all of the pure arts subjects haven't been largely deleted from the curriculum. I don't blame people for doing useless degrees, it's more a question of by what criteria do you judge a useless degree and whether the taxpayer should fund it and to what extent. Back in the day you could do virtually any degree and get a job at the end of it, provided the job didn't require specialist knowledge like medicine. I guess it's not like that anymore so your point is valid imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Pretty sick and tired of hearing/reading this sort of thing. Most people who knock media courses probably don't know or understand what goes in them, that or they're against it because it's a relatively new educational subject and does not have the standing of your usual more academic courses. No, you're wrong we should have traditional courses like fletching and heralding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15740 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Pretty sick and tired of hearing/reading this sort of thing. Most people who knock media courses probably don't know or understand what goes in them, that or they're against it because it's a relatively new educational subject and does not have the standing of your usual more academic courses. No, you're wrong we should have traditional courses like fletching and heralding Well, exaggeration aside, that's exactly what we should be doing - structured apprenticeships for trades and vocations that simply don't require a university education (and yet ultimately pay more than what you'd call a middle-class wage). Unfortunately, the Germans are years ahead of us on this and will be reaping the benefits long before we figure out just how flawed our "send half the population to university" model really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I don't see why anyone should pay for further education other than the person doing it. It's not a right. They only have to pay it back at a pretty easy rate once they're on good money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I don't see why anyone should pay for further education other than the person doing it. It's not a right. They only have to pay it back at a pretty easy rate once they're on good money. absolutely right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I think there probably are too many people going to university. However, the current measures are going to once again make it something only the rich are really able to afford. That isn't right imo and it's a massive step backwards for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I don't see why anyone should pay for further education other than the person doing it. It's not a right. They only have to pay it back at a pretty easy rate once they're on good money. There's a delicious irony that the people in parliament who voted for tuition fees either got daddy to pay for their college education or got it free off the state if they went to 'varsity'. No double standards there, oh dear me no! FWIW I think this will transport us back to the good old days, with most unis resembling Brideshead Revisited. Why anybody would bother is beyond me given they'll be loaded up with debt well into their 30's, unless they intend to pull a fast one of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 And surely if "we're all in this together" they'll be giving themselves a pay cut soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4856 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I think there probably are too many people going to university. However, the current measures are going to once again make it something only the rich are really able to afford. That isn't right imo and it's a massive step backwards for the country. As its only paid back after uni and only when a wage of £25,000? is being earned, I cant see how only the rich can afford it. Its not as if we are suddenly jumping from no fees to high fees, it is an increase in fees. A student has to weigh up whether the debt is worth having a job as say a teacher as compared to working in McD's or a call centre etc. The fix as Ive said before is to make the degrees for the skills we need more subsidised and leave the arty farty degrees unsubsidised. This would also cut down on the need for all the "skilled immigrants" all parties keep rattling on about. But as Meezner also pointed out its about realising that vocational training and apprenticeships start to get a similar standing as degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I would have "national service" for all the students who leave uni without jobs...... of which i imagine there are plenty right now. I'd get 'em to build lots of castles.... to bring in the Japs.... to save the economy. gap year = nowt but an excuse for a good old skive and sponge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I don't see why anyone should pay for further education other than the person doing it. It's not a right. They only have to pay it back at a pretty easy rate once they're on good money. There's a delicious irony that the people in parliament who voted for tuition fees either got daddy to pay for their college education or got it free off the state if they went to 'varsity'. No double standards there, oh dear me no! FWIW I think this will transport us back to the good old days, with most unis resembling Brideshead Revisited. Why anybody would bother is beyond me given they'll be loaded up with debt well into their 30's, unless they intend to pull a fast one of course. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 25k isn't a lot of money though really. I appreciate what you're saying but the prospect of being saddled with debt for years will put people off. Plus, there is also the other costs of going to university, which are already high, which have to be factored in. I agree in part with what you say as well although I don't think cutting all funding for certain types of degrees is right either. I think it's quite short-sighted to cut funding to areas deemed 'not necessary' because it's the stuff that isn't necessary that makes life worth living imo. Re: skills needed though, I think you are spot on. Going back it was a big mistake to merge the universities and polytechnics because they both did different jobs, one being more academic and one being more vocational (that's a generalisation but you'll take my point) because it seems that academic studies rather than more hands-on, skills-based learning was seen as more important. You could point at a lot of other things that have been going wrong for a very long time like the end of proper apprenticeships and so on. When I was at school they wanted you to go to university because it 'looked good' for a state school to be sending people there but I think I could have been better advised by being told about how learning a trade or whatever is equally important (and lucrative tbh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 As its only paid back after uni and only when a wage of £25,000? is being earned, I cant see how only the rich can afford it. Its not as if we are suddenly jumping from no fees to high fees, it is an increase in fees. I agree up to a point but the thing is the "rich" kids would be starting their working lives with no worries as Daddy will have paid the fees - two people who are academically equal are divided by a burden - as usual passing advantage down the generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I would have "national service" for all the students who leave uni without jobs...... of which i imagine there are plenty right now. I'd get 'em to build lots of castles.... to bring in the Japs.... to save the economy. gap year = nowt but an excuse for a good old skive and sponge. Depends what you do tbf. I think a period in 'the real world' is better than going to university at 18 and spending 3 years racking up debts and gettin pissed too much etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) My two penneth worth. Far too many people going to uni. Cant see why I should fund some fucker on a shitty waste of time course like media or jewellery making etc. Each year, whatever skills we are short in, by all means subsidise. Lets not try and stick everyone through uni, unless they are happy to pay. We should also have some sort of national / community service between the ages of 16 - 18 I don't see why anyone should pay for further education other than the person doing it. It's not a right. They only have to pay it back at a pretty easy rate once they're on good money. absolutely right Didn't you go back when grants were still pretty large in real terms? Not suggesting you're a massive hypocrite or anything. Edited November 26, 2010 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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