Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5atKIeDac http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...o=feeds-newsxml Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos caused controversy last night after they deliberately got themselves sent off in Real Madrid’s 4-0 win at Ajax. The Spaniards picked up second bookings for time-wasting in order to miss the final Group G game at home to Auxerre next month. Real have qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League and Alonso and Ramos can now start this phase with a clean slate. Ramos was taking a goal kick when he began adjusting his socks. Referee Craig Thomson then issued a second yellow and a red card. Ramos shook hands with the official before going off after Alonso had also been sent off for timewasting. Edited November 24, 2010 by Nobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Not discounting that Mourinho is good for the game. But this is cheating and needless cheating at that. as he could just not play them in the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) But this is needless cheating. as he could just not play them in the next game how would that work?! If they didn't get a yellow they wouldn't be banned for the next game! Edited November 24, 2010 by Nobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 But this is needless cheating. as he could just not play them in the next game how would that work?! If they didn't get a yellow they wouldn't be banned for the next game! If they got yellow carded in the last match of the group they would have been suspended in the first leg of the knock out stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Seems like a daft rule whereby (I assume) you carry over a single yellow into the next phase. Especially when there's loads of nothing fixtures at the end of the group stage, allowing people to exploit this in the way Mourinho has. Also, it's not like he's the first person to do this, only it's normally people getting a 2nd yellow in the competition rather than a 2nd yellow / red in the same game. I'm sure Effenburg did it once to make sure he wouldn't miss the CL final (and Hargreaves played in his place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) But this is needless cheating. as he could just not play them in the next game how would that work?! If they didn't get a yellow they wouldn't be banned for the next game! If they got yellow carded in the last match of the group they would have been suspended in the first leg of the knock out stages. aye, that is exactly what Mourinho wanted to avoid! being banned for any knockout matches Edited November 24, 2010 by Nobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 But this is needless cheating. as he could just not play them in the next game how would that work?! If they didn't get a yellow they wouldn't be banned for the next game! If they got yellow carded in the last match of the group they would have been suspended in the first leg of the knock out stages. aye, that is exactly what Mourinho wanted to avoid! He knows that man Would you carry over the one yellow they already had into the knockout stages if they didn't play in the next game though? If that's not the case, Khay makes a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31238 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 But this is needless cheating. as he could just not play them in the next game how would that work?! If they didn't get a yellow they wouldn't be banned for the next game! If they got yellow carded in the last match of the group they would have been suspended in the first leg of the knock out stages. Are yellow cards cleared after the group stages though? I thought the idea was that they wouldn't pick up a ban further down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Seems like a daft rule whereby (I assume) you carry over a single yellow into the next phase. Especially when there's loads of nothing fixtures at the end of the group stage, allowing people to exploit this in the way Mourinho has. Also, it's not like he's the first person to do this, only it's normally people getting a 2nd yellow in the competition rather than a 2nd yellow / red in the same game. I'm sure Effenburg did it once to make sure he wouldn't miss the CL final (and Hargreaves played in his place). Yellow cards are cleared at the end of the group stage, but Alonso and Ramos would have earned themselves a suspension due to the topping up rule if they played and got booked in the last match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Seems like a daft rule whereby (I assume) you carry over a single yellow into the next phase. Especially when there's loads of nothing fixtures at the end of the group stage, allowing people to exploit this in the way Mourinho has. Also, it's not like he's the first person to do this, only it's normally people getting a 2nd yellow in the competition rather than a 2nd yellow / red in the same game. I'm sure Effenburg did it once to make sure he wouldn't miss the CL final (and Hargreaves played in his place). Yellow cards are cleared at the end of the group stage, but Alonso and Ramos would have earned themselves a suspension due to the topping up rule if they played and got booked in the last match. I got the 2nd bit and I previously thought the first bit was the case, it's only the alleged actions of Mourinho that made me doubt that so I was just speculating really. Seems pointless otherwise, like you say. He could have been taking the piss out of Uefa knowing him like. Be funny if they got an extra match like if he was trying to be clever. It would be difficult to prove though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackbleep 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Didn't Beckham deliberately get a yellow card once for much the same reason? Playing for England against Wales rings a bell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Just looked it up and single yellows are scrubbed after the qualifying stage therefore he could've just left them out of the next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) Seems like a daft rule whereby (I assume) you carry over a single yellow into the next phase. Especially when there's loads of nothing fixtures at the end of the group stage, allowing people to exploit this in the way Mourinho has. Also, it's not like he's the first person to do this, only it's normally people getting a 2nd yellow in the competition rather than a 2nd yellow / red in the same game. I'm sure Effenburg did it once to make sure he wouldn't miss the CL final (and Hargreaves played in his place). Yellow cards are cleared at the end of the group stage Records are not cleared after the group stage in the champions league (they are in the world cup though). So they would have went into the knockout stage with 1 or 2 yellows http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...tch-report.html Edited November 24, 2010 by Nobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Seems like a daft rule whereby (I assume) you carry over a single yellow into the next phase. Especially when there's loads of nothing fixtures at the end of the group stage, allowing people to exploit this in the way Mourinho has. Also, it's not like he's the first person to do this, only it's normally people getting a 2nd yellow in the competition rather than a 2nd yellow / red in the same game. I'm sure Effenburg did it once to make sure he wouldn't miss the CL final (and Hargreaves played in his place). Yellow cards are cleared at the end of the group stage Records are not cleared after the group stage in the champions league (they are in the world cup though). So they would have went into the knockout stage with 1 or 2 yellows http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...tch-report.html Fair enough then. At least it was not mindless cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Complicated stuff this like. It's only single yellow cards that are cleared, upon further reading. If you've got two, they carry over. What a daft rule and you can hardly blame him for exploiting the loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Didn't Beckham deliberately get a yellow card once for much the same reason? Playing for England against Wales rings a bell... I remember that. At the time I remember thinking he had lost his rag and used the 'clearing the yellows' as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) Complicated stuff this like. It's only single yellow cards that are cleared, upon further reading. If you've got two, they carry over. What a daft rule and you can hardly blame him for exploiting the loophole. ah fair enough. Totally agree, stupid rule. Got a link? Edited November 24, 2010 by Nobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 (edited) Complicated stuff this like. It's only single yellow cards that are cleared, upon further reading. If you've got two, they carry over. What a daft rule and you can hardly blame him for exploiting the loophole. ah fair enough. Totally agree, stupid rule. Got a link? Ignore me tbh. When I did a search initially on it it took me to the 2008/09 regs without my realising, so that's what I was quoting. In the new season's regs you do carry over any yellows. The only exception is a single yellow picked up in qualifying, i.e. ones before the group stages don't carry over into the competition proper. Seems daft not to purged them after the group stages. Like I said, complicated stuff Edited November 24, 2010 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7204 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Didn't Beckham deliberately get a yellow card once for much the same reason? Playing for England against Wales rings a bell... I remember that. At the time I remember thinking he had lost his rag and used the 'clearing the yellows' as an excuse. He bragged that he wasnt as daft as he looked and got booked on purpose . . . . cue the FA looking into it and a media witch hunt for bringing the game into disrepute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 The powers that be deem it necessary to crack down on tactical exploitation of the rules as they stand....but refuse to even consider goal line technology for when their referees fuck a game up altogether? They want to sort their priorities out. No wonder there's no respect for authority in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7583 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 The powers that be deem it necessary to crack down on tactical exploitation of the rules as they stand....but refuse to even consider goal line technology for when their referees fuck a game up altogether? They want to sort their priorities out. No wonder there's no respect for authority in the game. Damn straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 Why are they investigating it, when it is within the laws of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Why are they investigating it, when it is within the laws of the game? Because it's not in the spirit of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 Why are they investigating it, when it is within the laws of the game? Because it's not in the spirit of the game Neither is wasting time by taking the ball into the corner to waste time, but I used to love it when Shearer did that. Strength of an ox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Why are they investigating it, when it is within the laws of the game? Because it's not in the spirit of the game Neither is wasting time by taking the ball into the corner to waste time, but I used to love it when Shearer did that. Strength of an ox. I think there's a huge difference between wasting time by holding onto the ball (as Shearer did) and wasting time by delaying the taking of goal-kicks/free kicks/throw ins etc. I also think there's a huge difference between legally retaining possession and deliberately getting sent off so you can circumvent a loophole in the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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