Bush's Memoirs

[Christmas Tree 4851]

Define 'a bit' of torture.

 

Everything in moderation tbh.

 

 

This

[Christmas Tree 4851]

CT's "dinner parties" taking on a whole new perspective.

 

 

[Happy Face 29]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

 

Bit of torture never did me any hard. When I were a lad..........

 

Seriously and I know its unpopular with the chattering classes, but I have no problem with a bit of torture if they think it may help. Its gone on since the beginning of time and always will.

 

There will probably never be any definitive guide to torture success's on the internet for Happy to get facts etc but I have no doubt that torture probably does work, hence why it has and always will be used.

 

There are several guides to torture. The US government have invested a great deal over decades investigating methods and effectiveness. They can mentally break down an individual to a complete shell so of course it "works" in those terms...the problem is it's impossible to know if they're telling you facts.

 

 

Here's an extract to that effect....

 

The requirement to obtain information from an uncooperative source as quickly as possible -- in time to prevent, for example, an impending terrorist attack that could result in loss of life -- has been forwarded as a compelling argument for the use of torture. Conceptually, proponents envision the application of torture as a means to expedite the exploitation process. In essence, physical and/or psychological duress are viewed as an alternative to the more time consuming conventional interrogation process. The error inherent in this line of thinking is the assumption that, through torture, the interrogator can extract reliable and accurate intelligence. History and a consideration of human behavior would appear to refute this assumption. (NOTE: The application of physical and or psychological duress will likely result in physical compliance. Additionally, prisoners may answer and/or comply as a result of threats of torture. However, the reliability and accuracy information must be questioned.)

 

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_roo...04/24/jpra_memo

[Happy Face 29]

I don't like the way the sub-title is stated as fact btw

[Guest alex]

I could imagine Bush saying that like. "Waterboarding saved British lives. Fact!"

[ChezGiven 0]

I don't like the way the sub-title is stated as fact btw

 

[ChezGiven 0]

I knew an interrogation programme this sensitive and controversial would one day become public. When it did, we would open ourselves up to criticism that America had compromised our moral values. I would have preferred that we get the information another way. But the choice between security and values was real.

 

Doubt has been cast on that by No. 10 today.

[Christmas Tree 4851]

I knew an interrogation programme this sensitive and controversial would one day become public. When it did, we would open ourselves up to criticism that America had compromised our moral values. I would have preferred that we get the information another way. But the choice between security and values was real.

 

Doubt has been cast on that by No. 10 today.

 

 

But isnt that what their bound to say

[ChezGiven 0]

I knew an interrogation programme this sensitive and controversial would one day become public. When it did, we would open ourselves up to criticism that America had compromised our moral values. I would have preferred that we get the information another way. But the choice between security and values was real.

 

Doubt has been cast on that by No. 10 today.

 

 

But isnt that what their bound to say

 

Dont know.The right-wing pro-war lobby have always been a bit vague when it comes to human rights and torture. Surprisingly wooly and namby-pamby from them. Clegg's fault obviously

[sniffer 0]

I doubt if there's anybody on this board who can't imagine a scenario in which they'd give the green light to to torture somebody for information. When it comes down to a personal level values go out the window.

[LeazesMag 0]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression torture works.....and that our enemies should be encouraged to torture anyone of our soldiers they detain.

 

oh torture works alright. Beheading doesn't though.

 

Have you lectured your friends on the horrors of beheading yet ...

[trophyshy 7084]

he did a podcast on it, if that helps.

[Happy Face 29]

I doubt if there's anybody on this board who can't imagine a scenario in which they'd give the green light to to torture somebody for information. When it comes down to a personal level values go out the window.

 

There was no authorisation to torture any individual. It was a programme of torture instituted across the board. The argument that it was only used to glean specific information is bogus.

[Happy Face 29]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression torture works.....and that our enemies should be encouraged to torture anyone of our soldiers they detain.

 

oh torture works alright. Beheading doesn't though.

 

Have you lectured your friends on the horrors of beheading yet ...

 

Not like you to avoid the subject Leazes.

 

Might as well say the taliban should be encouraged to torture whoever they want because the US apply thousands of volts to the head of mentally handicapped people in order to kill them.....which they do.

 

I agree with neither tangent.

[The Fish 10972]

Yeah Happy, but some people didn't listen when Leazes said the old board were better. So, y'know, that proves a point pertinent to this thread... right?

[manc-mag 1]

Yeah Happy, but some people didn't listen when Leazes said the old board were better. So, y'know, that proves a point pertinent to this thread... right?

 

Dave's got his 'biting sarcasm' blazer on today I see

[The Fish 10972]

Fuck off Sammy, I'm ill

 

what's your excuse? Shoes not pointy enough today?