Bush's Memoirs

[ChezGiven 0]

British lives were saved by the use of waterboarding on terror suspects, George Bush has claimed in his memoirs.

 

The former president said the interrogation technique, which was banned by President Barack Obama, helped foil attacks on Heathrow airport, Canary Wharf and a number of US targets around the world.

 

In Decision Points, published today, Bush insists the practice – which simulates drowning – is not torture, describing it instead as one of a number of "enhanced interrogation techniques".

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/0...s-waterboarding

 

The means justify the ends, as the terrorist might say.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ChezGiven

[Happy Face 29]

In Decision Points, published today, Bush insists the practice – which simulates drowning – is not torture, describing it instead as one of a number of "enhanced interrogation techniques".

 

 

And Maradonna didn't handle the ball in '86, it was an "enhanced goalscoring technique".

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[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

In Decision Points, published today, Bush insists the practice – which simulates drowning – is not torture, describing it instead as one of a number of "enhanced interrogation techniques".

 

 

And Maradonna didn't handle the ball in '86, it was an "enhanced goalscoring technique".

 

Bush is within his rights to refer to it as 'enhanced interrogation techniques', as that is what waterboarding has been legally defined as - despite quite obviously being torture - after Mr. Yoo's sterling work for the Bush administration. It's a shame that more of an effort wasn't made at the time to rebuke Yoo's manipulation of history to justify this practice. The namby-pambys were probably too busy running around with flailing arms, crying about some endangered species of tree-ants that the oil companies are killing to make a proper legal case against the clear abuses of power that the Bush administration made.

[Meenzer 15737]

In Decision Points, published today, Bush insists the practice – which simulates drowning – is not torture, describing it instead as one of a number of "enhanced interrogation techniques".

 

 

And Maradonna didn't handle the ball in '86, it was an "enhanced goalscoring technique".

 

Bush is within his rights to refer to it as 'enhanced interrogation techniques', as that is what waterboarding has been legally defined as - despite quite obviously being torture - after Mr. Yoo's sterling work for the Bush administration. It's a shame that more of an effort wasn't made at the time to rebuke Yoo's manipulation of history to justify this practice. The namby-pambys were probably too busy running around with flailing arms, crying about some endangered species of tree-ants that the oil companies are killing to make a proper legal case against the clear abuses of power that the Bush administration made.

 

It's a hard life being a namby-pamby, opposing kneejerk anti-Muslim war while approving kneejerk anti-Muslim torture.

[Sonatine 11572]

Was sort of hoping Bush's Memoirs would be like a modern day Dr Seuss book, written in crayon

[Happy Face 29]

Was sort of hoping Bush's Memoirs would be like a modern day Dr Seuss book, written in crayon

 

If only Bush had actually written it.

 

Sad state of affairs like, most ex-presidents are intelligent enough to commit their own thoughts to paper.

[Guest alex]

Was sort of hoping Bush's Memoirs would be like a modern day Dr Seuss book, written in crayon

 

If only Bush had actually written it.

 

Sad state of affairs like, most ex-presidents are intelligent enough to commit their own thoughts to paper.

Probably hasn't even read it.

[Meenzer 15737]

Was sort of hoping Bush's Memoirs would be like a modern day Dr Seuss book, written in crayon

 

If only Bush had actually written it.

 

Sad state of affairs like, most ex-presidents are intelligent enough to commit their own thoughts to paper.

Probably hasn't even read it.

It's no "The Pet Goat".

[Sonatine 11572]

Edited November 9, 2010 by Sonatine

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My Life in the Bush of Goats?

[sniffer 0]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

[Happy Face 29]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression torture works.....and that our enemies should be encouraged to torture anyone of our soldiers they detain.

[manc-mag 1]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression torture works.....and that our enemies should be encouraged to torture anyone of our soldiers they detain.

 

I think the assumption is that they wouldn't hesitate tbh and I don't imagine that's a particularly wild view either.

 

In response to that point alone btw. I'm not advocating torture, just trying to balance out the point you're making.

[Happy Face 29]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression torture works.....and that our enemies should be encouraged to torture anyone of our soldiers they detain.

 

I think the assumption is that they wouldn't hesitate tbh and I don't imagine that's a particularly wild view either.

 

In response to that point alone btw. I'm not advocating torture, just trying to balance out the point you're making.

 

Our enemies change though.

 

Currently it's a rag-tag bunch of stateless outlaws and vagrants not held to account by the Geneva convention....but in a few years it could be Korea, Iran or China....who will justify torture in similar terms.

 

Having said that, reports of treatment from people kidnapped has tended to be rather good from what I've read....the ones that have been killed might not agree like.

[AgentAxeman 189]

Having said that, reports of treatment from people kidnapped has tended to be rather good from what I've read....the ones that have been killed might not agree like.

 

:razz: :huh: :huh:

[Happy Face 29]

Having said that, reports of treatment from people kidnapped has tended to be rather good from what I've read....the ones that have been killed might not agree like.

 

:razz: :huh: :huh:

 

Well the dead ones can't really comment on how they were treated can they?

 

[manc-mag 1]

Having said that, reports of treatment from people kidnapped has tended to be rather good from what I've read....the ones that have been killed might not agree like.

 

 

 

Must be some kidnap compare the market website

[Happy Face 29]

Having said that, reports of treatment from people kidnapped has tended to be rather good from what I've read....the ones that have been killed might not agree like.

 

 

 

Must be some kidnap compare the market website

 

 

I mean anyone that comes out of Guantanamo tells tales of beatings, sleep deprivation, rape, water-boarding and other torture.

 

A google search for "kidnap victim interview al qaeda" gives this as the first result I looked at...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...eda-kidnap.html

 

"They had no change of clothes, no access to radio or newspapers, and Gabriella, a smoker, was not even allowed cigarettes. "

 

Not quite on the same scale is it? Probably did her good to get off the tabs for a bit

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

What's that syndrome called when the kidnapped develop a powerful bond with their captors? Namby-pamby liberal something or other

[Christmas Tree 4851]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

 

Bit of torture never did me any hard. When I were a lad..........

 

Seriously and I know its unpopular with the chattering classes, but I have no problem with a bit of torture if they think it may help. Its gone on since the beginning of time and always will.

 

There will probably never be any definitive guide to torture success's on the internet for Happy to get facts etc but I have no doubt that torture probably does work, hence why it has and always will be used.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Define 'a bit' of torture.

[manc-mag 1]

Define 'a bit' of torture.

 

Everything in moderation tbh.

[ChezGiven 0]

CT's "dinner parties" taking on a whole new perspective.

[Guest alex]

In have no problem with extreme interrogation methods if they are deemed necessary to save lives.

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't have to resort to this.

 

 

Bit of torture never did me any hard. When I were a lad..........

 

Seriously and I know its unpopular with the chattering classes, but I have no problem with a bit of torture if they think it may help. Its gone on since the beginning of time and always will.

 

There will probably never be any definitive guide to torture success's on the internet for Happy to get facts etc but I have no doubt that torture probably does work, hence why it has and always will be used.

I don't think it really bothers 99% of people beyond worries that it might be counter-productive. The fact it's gone on since the dawn of time doesn't really prove its worth. I appreciate it's hard to prove it one way or the other though. I doubt Bush's claims as well although he's only repeating what he was told, I imagine.