Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 It's april 4th, I got up at 5am and I've only had one ten minute shit (about 50/50 crapping and wiping) so far today. I've been eating a lot more fruit and veg, up to 8 portions a day, and my stool has improved dramatically. I've lowered the intake of dairy foods, and also spread out my meals into smaller portions during the day. Usually by now I'd be touching cloth on my 3rd poo of the day, but currently there is no danger of any turtle heads; I can feel no ominous movements in my sphincter whatsoever. What a success story, I am thrilled, and I cannot recommend eating more fruit and veg highly enough. I've also started training again and am using low weights currently whilst getting the form correct. Once I am in a bit better shape I will up the weight, with any luck my stool will have improved even further, though I am absolutely euphoric having made this much progress with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 It's april 4th, I got up at 5am and I've only had one ten minute shit (about 50/50 crapping and wiping) so far today. I've been eating a lot more fruit and veg, up to 8 portions a day, and my stool has improved dramatically. I've lowered the intake of dairy foods, and also spread out my meals into smaller portions during the day. Usually by now I'd be touching cloth on my 3rd poo of the day, but currently there is no danger of any turtle heads; I can feel no ominous movements in my sphincter whatsoever. What a success story, I am thrilled, and I cannot recommend eating more fruit and veg highly enough. I've also started training again and am using low weights currently whilst getting the form correct. Once I am in a bit better shape I will up the weight, with any luck my stool will have improved even further, though I am absolutely euphoric having made this much progress with it. Thats good shit mate, great to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22185 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 It's april 4th, I got up at 5am and I've only had one ten minute shit (about 50/50 crapping and wiping) so far today. I've been eating a lot more fruit and veg, up to 8 portions a day, and my stool has improved dramatically. I've lowered the intake of dairy foods, and also spread out my meals into smaller portions during the day. Usually by now I'd be touching cloth on my 3rd poo of the day, but currently there is no danger of any turtle heads; I can feel no ominous movements in my sphincter whatsoever. What a success story, I am thrilled, and I cannot recommend eating more fruit and veg highly enough. I've also started training again and am using low weights currently whilst getting the form correct. Once I am in a bit better shape I will up the weight, with any luck my stool will have improved even further, though I am absolutely euphoric having made this much progress with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? aka "between meals" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22185 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? no, do tell. sounds dodgy. just did an hour's boxing at the gym while my work mates were eatign lunch on the southwark cathedral garden in the sun. it's good to be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15737 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Well had a good go in the gym today 1hr on the cross trainer. 806 calories burned off. Then... Surely I'll still be "wynning"? According to this that's 500 calories, so happy days 300 in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Do interval training Stevie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 40 minutes of intervals for me this morning, knackered but feel great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 40 minutes of intervals for me this morning, knackered but feel great. I dunno what that fuckin' means, let alone do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 40 minutes of intervals for me this morning, knackered but feel great. I dunno what that fuckin' means, let alone do it! I've heard your more of a 40 second man like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? no, do tell. sounds dodgy. nah, it's legit according to a trainer I trust who's been using it. I won't use it as would interfere with other stuff I do, but basically he gets his meals between 10am and 10pm? or maybe it's 12pm and 8pm and then organises his weight training around that. anyway it's way less severe than I expected when I first read about it. can put you in touch with him if you fancy, gemmill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 40 minutes of intervals for me this morning, knackered but feel great. I dunno what that fuckin' means, let alone do it! I've heard your more of a 40 second man like. I usually try a 24 hour 'interval'. I'm guessing the types of 'interval' differ somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6785 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I tried Kettlebells recently. Good shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? no, do tell. sounds dodgy. nah, it's legit according to a trainer I trust who's been using it. I won't use it as would interfere with other stuff I do, but basically he gets his meals between 10am and 10pm? or maybe it's 12pm and 8pm and then organises his weight training around that. anyway it's way less severe than I expected when I first read about it. can put you in touch with him if you fancy, gemmill. Aye I think there's different ways of doing it. I've had a blast where you basically eat your dinner one day then don't eat again til dinner time the next night. You still go to the gym and go about your normal business, you just don't eat. There's an ebook that can be found in all the usual places called Eat Stop Eat by Brad Pilon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyone heard of/ tried Intermittent Fasting? no, do tell. sounds dodgy. nah, it's legit according to a trainer I trust who's been using it. I won't use it as would interfere with other stuff I do, but basically he gets his meals between 10am and 10pm? or maybe it's 12pm and 8pm and then organises his weight training around that. anyway it's way less severe than I expected when I first read about it. can put you in touch with him if you fancy, gemmill. Aye I think there's different ways of doing it. I've had a blast where you basically eat your dinner one day then don't eat again til dinner time the next night. You still go to the gym and go about your normal business, you just don't eat. There's an ebook that can be found in all the usual places called Eat Stop Eat by Brad Pilon. Not saying these sort of things arent good for you or this particular book is wrong but when you read them, try to work out if the arguments are based on ideas and theories or outcomes of controlled studies. If the books have made at least some effort to draw upon evidence and look at scientific research (and they dont do you any harm) then i guess they are worth giving a go. However, in my experience, there is very little evidence to back these things up, just theories. The best thing you can do is put up a link to the references and research these books are based on and me and Renton will tell you whether its credible or not A colleague used to talk about fasting quite a bit, she was stick thin and quite possibly clinically insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 aye, def good advice. the lad that gave it his seal of approval does this sort of thing for a living, and is very scientifically-minded, which is why I think it's prob a cut above a lot of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Chez, there's a canny few references in the book. If I can easily copy and paste them, I will and you and Renton can have at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Ok, there's a lot. Let me know if you'd sooner just read the book (it's probably a couple of hours reading) and I'll send it to you. To me, he puts together a very convincing case, although that's assuming the references below are legit and proper studies. This should be good for the bandwidth problems..... Eat Stop Eat References 1 Swinburn B, Sacks G, Ravussin E. Increased food energy supply is more than sufficient to explains the US epidemic of obesity. Am J Clin Nutr 2009; 90:1453-6 2 Li C, Ford ES, Zhao G, Balluz LS, Giles WH. Estimates of body composition with dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry in adults. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009; 90(6):1457-65 3 Adams KM, Kohlmeier M, Zeisel SH. Nutrition Education in U.S. Medical Schools: LatestUpdate of a National Survey. Academic Medicine. 2010; 85(9): 1537-1542 4 Marion Nestle. Eating Made Simple. Scientific American Magazine, September 2007. 5 Marion Nestle. What to Eat. 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ChezGiven 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 That's not how this works Gemmill, you read the book and pick out the reference(s) which drive the main conclusions regarding the positive effects, then we look at the abstract of that paper and rubbish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Hmmmm, ok. I thought you just wanted a list of references to say "He's getting these from the fucking Beano". Let me have a quick look then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Ugh, this is gonna take ages. I'll have a look this week and try to pull out the main bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Just fucking eat like a normal human being, you horny ginger butt-slammer. All this fasting bullshit; just goddamn eat and sweat it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Diets been gan so well today like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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