tinofbeans 91 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22391 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Was thinking Baker's cyst immediately because of its location. If it is you'll probably have ligament damage and may need surgery, so get it checked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Was thinking Baker's cyst immediately because of its location. If it is you'll probably have ligament damage and may need surgery, so get it checked out. Not really, baker's cyst is usually the result of torn cartlidge, yes it could be ligament damage but you would notice it because the knee feels loose and when you are walking it will over hyper extend. A physio will lie you on your back, bend your leg so your knee is in the air and your foot also on the table and then pull gently on the lower leg, if the rest of you doesn't follow then you've ruptured your crutiate. The other thing about a baker's cyst is it will create fluid in your knee, so it swells, the back of the knee being more noticeable. Go see a sports physio, don't waste your time with a doctor. Edited October 26, 2010 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22391 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Was thinking Baker's cyst immediately because of its location. If it is you'll probably have ligament damage and may need surgery, so get it checked out. Not really, baker's cyst is usually the result of torn cartlidge, yes it could be ligament damage but you would notice it because the knee feels loose and when you are walking it will over hyper extend. A physio will lie you on your back, bend your leg so your knee is in the air and your foot also on the table and then pull gently on the lower leg, if the rest of you doesn't follow then you've ruptured your crutiate. The other thing about a baker's cyst is it will create fluid in your knee, so it swells, the back of the knee being more noticeable. Go see a sports physio, don't waste your time with a doctor. Doesn't really work like that here, he'll need a referral from a GP. Sounds sensible otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Have you checked the number of balls in your bag? maybe one dropped down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 ah that'l be it. nice one fish, only got 3 left. ho hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) Testes, Testes, one, two,.. three? Edited October 26, 2010 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 sorry that should say the equivalent of 3 left. lets get back to the knee- knack please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) The other thing about a baker's cyst and/or torn cartlidge is a couple of days later you might wake up with a stiff calf muscle around the muscle junction in that leg and it feels like you've strained it. Often it's actually just where the fluid has seeped to and settled and you wonder why the pain has moved from the knee to lower down the leg. Edited October 26, 2010 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 injured accelerating down the wing you say! Areeeeee you Dyer in disguise! nah. i'm about 2 stone heavier than that little cunt and all left foot. I use the word accelerating advisedly. Lumbering may be a more apt description. though at age 38 i can still do 100m in 13.5 seconds so i'm not slow slow. having said that, thats without the ball. with the ball its more like 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Was thinking Baker's cyst immediately because of its location. If it is you'll probably have ligament damage and may need surgery, so get it checked out. Not really, baker's cyst is usually the result of torn cartlidge, yes it could be ligament damage but you would notice it because the knee feels loose and when you are walking it will over hyper extend. A physio will lie you on your back, bend your leg so your knee is in the air and your foot also on the table and then pull gently on the lower leg, if the rest of you doesn't follow then you've ruptured your crutiate. The other thing about a baker's cyst is it will create fluid in your knee, so it swells, the back of the knee being more noticeable. Go see a sports physio, don't waste your time with a doctor. I love the inferiority complex that non medically qualified musculoskeletal healthcare workers often have, not infrequently combined with utter bullshit advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 So, i was playing footy sunday and towards the end of the game executed a rather good cruyff turn, and accelerated down the wing. then pulled up 20 yards down the wing as i heard an unusual click in the back of my knee. no pain but over the last 48 hours i've got a solid (ish) lump on the back of my knee, that seems to be sort of the same size since monday. it looks like a bakers cyst ( google it), but i'm unsure. there is absolutely no pain, but it looks odd and feels rather solid! any ideas. Was thinking Baker's cyst immediately because of its location. If it is you'll probably have ligament damage and may need surgery, so get it checked out. Not really, baker's cyst is usually the result of torn cartlidge, yes it could be ligament damage but you would notice it because the knee feels loose and when you are walking it will over hyper extend. A physio will lie you on your back, bend your leg so your knee is in the air and your foot also on the table and then pull gently on the lower leg, if the rest of you doesn't follow then you've ruptured your crutiate. The other thing about a baker's cyst is it will create fluid in your knee, so it swells, the back of the knee being more noticeable. Go see a sports physio, don't waste your time with a doctor. I love the inferiority complex that non medically qualified musculoskeletal healthcare workers often have, not infrequently combined with utter bullshit advice. How much of a Dr do you sound in this post?! (regardless of whether you're right or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 What's your verdict Luke then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 What's your verdict Luke then? I think the verdict is that Luke thinks Sammy is full of shit and has an inferiority complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 (edited) Well Luke and I go way back, so what do you expect. My posts were based on experience, I've had an ACL rupture and reconstruction, I've had torn cartlidge, a baker's cyst, high grade tears in the calf and the hamstring, my donor ligament came from the patella in the same knee, so I suffer from it tightening and aggravation on the patella and the scar tissue it moves across. So everything I posted above was from these experiences - not from claiming to be a "doctor". Also I've played football for 30 odd years, at lots of different levels, so I've experienced a few injuries and treatments. As I said in the first post, canofbeans needs to go see a sports physio, GPs are just that, general practitioners and in "my" experience you will end up having a bunch of useless tests until they give in and send you to a specialist. Luke is you want to be a cunt, be a useful one and give some advice, basically put up or shut up. btw Luke was your response born out of your own personal inadequacies as a healthcare worker? Has one patient to many told you how bad you are or is it a general I'm a quack so I need to stand up for the brotherhood? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker's_cyst In adults, Baker's cysts usually arise from almost any form of knee arthritis and cartilage (particularly the meniscus) tear. Baker's cysts can rarely be associated with Lyme disease. Baker's cysts in children do not point to underlying joint disease. Baker's cysts arise between the tendons of the medial head of the gastrocnemius and the semimembranosus muscles. They are posterior to the medial femoral condyle.The synovial sac of the knee joint can, under certain circumstances, produce a posterior bulge, into the popliteal space, the space behind the knee. When this bulge becomes large enough, it becomes palpable and cystic. Most Baker's cysts maintain this direct communication with the synovial cavity of the knee, but sometimes, the new cyst pinches off. A Baker's cyst can rupture and produce acute pain behind the knee and in the calf and swelling of the calf muscles. Diagnosis is by examination. They are easier to see from behind with the patient standing with knees fully extended and then most easily felt with the knee partially flexed. Diagnosis is confirmed by ultrasonography, although if needed and there is no suspicion of a popliteal artery aneurysm then aspiration of synovial fluid from the cyst may be undertaken with care. An MRI image can reveal presence of a Baker's cyst. A burst cyst can cause calf pain. Edited October 27, 2010 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 What's your verdict Luke then? I think the verdict is that Luke thinks Sammy is full of shit and has an inferiority complex btw, what have I got to be inferior of? Luke? Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Share Posted October 27, 2010 Luke, what do you think then? Sammy, thanks for your feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 canofbeans, not a problem but go get it looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Share Posted October 27, 2010 Friday AM. no bother. ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I'm a quailified healthcare worker who watches orthopaedic and ligament reconstructive surgery on a daily basis and I've never even HEARD of a Baker's Cyst! Someone please sack me immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 What and lose your valuable scowling? Hell no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7787 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Go see a sports physio, don't waste your time with a doctor. I was going to pop an amen on the end of this, but given the direction of the thread maybe not the greatest idea. Talking GPs here - They will give you very general advice from experience, or redirect you in the case that they deem it to be serious. Sports physios see these sort of things all the time and crtiically are closely involved in the rehabilitation process so they will be able to give you a good indication of how bad the injury is, the best excercises to nurse it back, and along the way will be able to let you know if the recovery is going to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I'm a quailified healthcare worker who watches orthopaedic and ligament reconstructive surgery on a daily basis and I've never even HEARD of a Baker's Cyst! Someone please sack me immediately! I doubt it's something you'd see much of Cath if that's the case. As I originally pointed out when Renton stated they are the result of ligament damage, they're not, they result from cartilage tears. That said at no point has anyone except canofbeans suggested his problem is a baker's cyst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Sounds like cartilage to me. If it was my knee I'd get an orthopod to look at it - although admittedly that would be a lot easier as I'm doing an orthopaedic list this morning! Depends what the service is like where you are but a decent GP should be able to decide if you need a referral to them or physio or physio then ortho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 hmmn. thanks one and all. well the swelling and solidity has remained the same. the leg (right side of the left calf) is experiencing a tiny bit of stiffness, but overall there is no pain and it weight bears and loads up ok. when a cartilage goes, does it stay gone and what would the long term effect be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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