US Military Dictatorship?

[Park Life 71]

The Homeland security budget is 43 billion dollars and rising. If you add the nsa, cia and fbi budgets we're looking at 400 BILLION DOLLARS $$$. Basically it's the state protecting itself against the people. The enemy withing stuff is a distraction.

[LeazesMag 0]

shoot first, shoot them before they shoot you, shoot them before they blow up innocent civilians.

 

What you are saying is you should give in to their demands, to a degree. Then they want more. Scumbags like those fuckers in Gib deserved to be shot. Where was the retaliation to that ?

 

No, what I'm saying is you foster moderation on both sides. You simply continue to butcher innocents in your endeavours to find the guilty and you will radicalise normally rational, reasonable people. The easiest recruiting tool the enemies of "the West" have, is the footage of American missiles slamming into schools and funerals. IT doesn't matter if 60% of the people killed are zealots hell bent on destruction, the fanatics can simply point at the carnage and proclaim once more, that the Great Satan is alive and well and he drives to work in an SUV while listening to Bruce Springsteen.

 

The greatest steps forward in the Irish peace process was when we sat down with the radicals and afforded them a degree of legitimacy.

 

So, in other words, terrorism in Northern Ireland worked?

 

yes. It did.

[LeazesMag 0]

shoot first, shoot them before they shoot you, shoot them before they blow up innocent civilians.

 

What you are saying is you should give in to their demands, to a degree. Then they want more. Scumbags like those fuckers in Gib deserved to be shot. Where was the retaliation to that ?

 

No, what I'm saying is you foster moderation on both sides. You simply continue to butcher innocents in your endeavours to find the guilty and you will radicalise normally rational, reasonable people. The easiest recruiting tool the enemies of "the West" have, is the footage of American missiles slamming into schools and funerals. IT doesn't matter if 60% of the people killed are zealots hell bent on destruction, the fanatics can simply point at the carnage and proclaim once more, that the Great Satan is alive and well and he drives to work in an SUV while listening to Bruce Springsteen.

 

The greatest steps forward in the Irish peace process was when we sat down with the radicals and afforded them a degree of legitimacy.

 

So, in other words, terrorism in Northern Ireland worked?

 

bit of an over simplification, some one has to bring the parties to the table, it goes beyond who is right and who is wrong. two sides to every story and all that, the important thing is that conflict is negotiated across a table, far from colateral damage on both sides.

 

Of course, I agree. But it was commented on earlier that terrorism doesn't work when in fact it does, it forces governments to negotiate. History has also shown it is nigh on impossible for a conventional force to be successful in a guerilla war, yet we're still in Afghanistan seemingly ignoring the lessons the Russians learnt the hard way.

 

I'd say the 9/11 terrorists have been very successful in curbing our liberties too. Job done basically.

 

 

right again Renton.

 

Where will it end ?

[Norbert Colon 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

One odd change in post 9/11 world is you can't publish cartoons of Mohammed without a furor, and self-censorship is prevalent with regard to this; a very worrying transgression. Depictions of Mohammed (not the Danish cartoons, any depiction of Mohammed in art) are now labeled 'Islamophobic' by certain quarters, even though depictions of Mohammed had been fine in Persia and other muslim communities for many years. What a disgrace.

[tooner 243]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

Oh yeah, he's a great guy, the Iranian youth just love him. He's not so keen on Jews but that's ok, we should help him develop nuclear warheads so he can feed his people. If only he and the Ayatollah were in charge of the west, it would be a much better place.

[Norbert Colon 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously?

[Norbert Colon 0]

Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

Oh yeah, he's a great guy, the Iranian youth just love him. He's not so keen on Jews but that's ok, we should help him develop nuclear warheads so he can feed his people. If only he and the Ayatollah were in charge of the west, it would be a much better place.

 

No, you are comparing your western culture to theirs, which is ridiculous and quite honestly an insult to their way of life - I agree they have little or no tolerance to other religions, homosexuality etc but who the fuck are we to say that is right or wrong - and certainly it gives us no right to intervene.

And do you think the demonization of the ayatollahs has to do with anything other than oil?

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

There's two possible scenarios here

 

1. You're taking the piss

 

2. You're a complete pillock

 

 

I'm a charitable kind of guy so I'm going to assume it's 1.

[Norbert Colon 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

 

Why resort to a racial slur? And what has the US military got to do with this? the discussion was regarding US foreign policy and how it affects its homeland security priorities and the curtailment of civil liberties

[Norbert Colon 0]

There's two possible scenarios here

 

1. You're taking the piss

 

2. You're a complete pillock

 

 

I'm a charitable kind of guy so I'm going to assume it's 1.

 

Yeh ok - I give up - its so nice to be able to express an alternative point of view without people resorting to name calling.

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously?

 

words are cheap, but this is real.

 

http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html

[tooner 243]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

 

 

you're awesome! how old are you anyway? ...what sort of experience are you talking about? not as much as you I'm sure, but then I never fought alongside them in WW2....

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

 

 

you're awesome! how old are you anyway? ...what sort of experience are you talking about? not as much as you I'm sure, but then I never fought alongside them in WW2....

 

how old are you

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

 

Why resort to a racial slur? And what has the US military got to do with this? the discussion was regarding US foreign policy and how it affects its homeland security priorities and the curtailment of civil liberties

 

Racial slur ? Don't be bloody daft man.

[tooner 243]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously?

 

words are cheap, but this is real.

 

http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4u5dIRouM....if we're playing the random videos that have nothing to do with the OP game here try this one.

[tooner 243]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

 

no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little.

 

 

you're awesome! how old are you anyway? ...what sort of experience are you talking about? not as much as you I'm sure, but then I never fought alongside them in WW2....

 

how old are you

 

i asked first...

[LeazesMag 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously?

 

words are cheap, but this is real.

 

http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4u5dIRouM....if we're playing the random videos that have nothing to do with the OP game here try this one.

 

The opening post insinuates the US is a military dictatorship. Clearly rubbish, which I said. Who is going off topic anyway, I answered a comment about Iran and their crackpot leader..........I presume you think he is also no danger and we should allow him to do as he likes. Until he nukes Israel ? By which time it's too late, but you know what, its a free world we have no right to intervene, according to idiots like you.

[Norbert Colon 0]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

seriously ?

 

Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously?

 

words are cheap, but this is real.

 

http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html

 

Send in the tanks - then send them to Darfur,Israel, Nigeria, Somalia same difference

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

No, you are comparing your western culture to theirs, which is ridiculous and quite honestly an insult to their way of life - I agree they have little or no tolerance to other religions, homosexuality etc but who the fuck are we to say that is right or wrong - and certainly it gives us no right to intervene.

And do you think the demonization of the ayatollahs has to do with anything other than oil?

 

Just going to quote this in case anyone is in doubt of your true nature.

[Park Life 71]

It doesn't end because a solution is neither sought nor desired - 9/11 was used to as a catalyst to create a series of events that led to Iraq and Afghanistan being attacked, these actions have created yet more anti - western feeling and will in turn produce more 'terrorists' , Iran is next, it legitimately wishes to produce nuclear energy in order to lift its people out of squalor but the western agenda is to paint Ahmadinejhad as an extremist nutcase who wants to blow us all up.

 

As far as the proclaimation that these actions are taken to maintain the western peoples liberties, it is untrue. These dna databases, retinal scans, cctv, credit behaviour, retail behaviour, police intervention in civil matters is leading both America and europe towards a big brother type government. If you throw in media hysteria and the fear and seperatism it creates then this can be the only result.

 

Saved me typing all that out.

[Norbert Colon 0]

No, you are comparing your western culture to theirs, which is ridiculous and quite honestly an insult to their way of life - I agree they have little or no tolerance to other religions, homosexuality etc but who the fuck are we to say that is right or wrong - and certainly it gives us no right to intervene.

And do you think the demonization of the ayatollahs has to do with anything other than oil?

 

Just going to quote this in case anyone is in doubt of your true nature.

 

Ok - because its a damning indictment?