Newcastle United 1-2 Stoke City

[Dr Gloom 22147]

Nobody moans about 451 against teams away from home, people moan about a defensive line-up against fucking Blackpool and shitty Stoke.

 

4-5-1 isn't necessarily a defensive formation, it depends on how you play. I don't think we were defensive against Blackpool, and when you start with 2 wingers and a shadow striker (yes I know it's only Nolan but still) it's harsh to call that overly negative in my view. If it had been like the beginning of last season where we sometimes lined up with a midfield of Gutierrez, Smith, Nolan, Barton and Guthrie then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but that hasn't been the case.

 

If he was to drop Nolan and stick Ben Arfa in the hole, with Gutierrez out wideit would be the same system, but no-one could say it was negative or defensive.

 

good point. chelsea play 4-5-1 at home and no one calls it defensive.

 

it's the right formation with the wrong players - the system needs mobility and pace in the front 4. hughton's got it half right by dropping smith for tiote. now he needs to drop nolan for gutierrez. i've been impressed with hughton so far this season but he has a big call to make now and it's a test for him. at home, he should be playing our three most attack minded midfielders - routeledge, ben arfa and gutierrez. i don't mind nolan playing in the hole away from home but against poorer quality teams we need more pace behind the front man.

It's more of a 4-3-3 like.

 

same difference. 4-3-3 when attacking becomes a 4-5-1 when defending. it's still playing with one striker, three midfielders and two wide men however you label it - same as us.

 

It's nothing like how we play tbf. Drogba and Anelka are both roaming forwards with pace and guile who interchange, taking turns to come deep. They in turn get overlapped by Kalou and Lampard and Malouda etc..It's a rotating 433.

 

 

------------Drogba------

 

-------Malouda-----Aneilka---

 

 

------------Essien-------

 

------Ramires---Obi-------

 

obviously their players are a million times better than ours but it's still the same system - one front man and two wide players getting up to support him. the main difference is we've got nolan supporting the front line man from midfield - they've got lampard or essien.

 

i reckon this line up would be the best use of our current players:

 

--------------------------------------------harper

 

 

simpson/taylor-------williamson/campbell----------collocini-----------enrique

 

 

 

----------------------------------tiote----------------barton/guthrie

 

 

 

--------routeledge-----------------------ben arfa-------------------------gutieerez

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------carroll

Edited September 30, 2010 by Dr Gloom

[Guest alex]

I think sammynb was correct when he said we play more of a 4-4-1-1.

[sammynb 3508]

I think sammynb was correct when he said we play more of a 4-4-1-1.

 

Why thank you sir but I think when Nolan and Perch are playing we need to revise it to a:

 

3 1/3-4-1/2-1

[Park Life 71]

Nobody moans about 451 against teams away from home, people moan about a defensive line-up against fucking Blackpool and shitty Stoke.

 

4-5-1 isn't necessarily a defensive formation, it depends on how you play. I don't think we were defensive against Blackpool, and when you start with 2 wingers and a shadow striker (yes I know it's only Nolan but still) it's harsh to call that overly negative in my view. If it had been like the beginning of last season where we sometimes lined up with a midfield of Gutierrez, Smith, Nolan, Barton and Guthrie then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but that hasn't been the case.

 

If he was to drop Nolan and stick Ben Arfa in the hole, with Gutierrez out wideit would be the same system, but no-one could say it was negative or defensive.

 

good point. chelsea play 4-5-1 at home and no one calls it defensive.

 

it's the right formation with the wrong players - the system needs mobility and pace in the front 4. hughton's got it half right by dropping smith for tiote. now he needs to drop nolan for gutierrez. i've been impressed with hughton so far this season but he has a big call to make now and it's a test for him. at home, he should be playing our three most attack minded midfielders - routeledge, ben arfa and gutierrez. i don't mind nolan playing in the hole away from home but against poorer quality teams we need more pace behind the front man.

It's more of a 4-3-3 like.

 

same difference. 4-3-3 when attacking becomes a 4-5-1 when defending. it's still playing with one striker, three midfielders and two wide men however you label it - same as us.

 

It's nothing like how we play tbf. Drogba and Anelka are both roaming forwards with pace and guile who interchange, taking turns to come deep. They in turn get overlapped by Kalou and Lampard and Malouda etc..It's a rotating 433.

 

 

------------Drogba------

 

-------Malouda-----Aneilka---

 

 

------------Essien-------

 

------Ramires---Obi-------

 

obviously their players are a million times better than ours but it's still the same system - one front man and two wide players getting up to support him. the main difference is we've got nolan supporting the front line man from midfield - they've got lampard or essien.

 

i reckon this line up would be the best use of our current players:

 

--------------------------------------------harper

 

 

simpson/taylor-------williamson/campbell----------collocini-----------enrique

 

 

 

----------------------------------tiote----------------barton/guthrie

 

 

 

--------routeledge-----------------------ben arfa-------------------------gutieerez

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------carroll

 

Chelsea play a rotating 433.

 

**Your toon formation is the only way to go. Like it.

[Holden McGroin 6783]

Its a shame Lovelyhands isnt getting thrown on here and there when we are chasing a game. His record at home last year was pretty awesome.

[Guest alex]

Its a shame Lovelyhands isnt getting thrown on here and there when we are chasing a game. His record at home last year was pretty awesome.

Came on against Blackpool under those circumstances although he was so anonymous even people at the game would be forgiven for not noticing so I'll let you off

[sammynb 3508]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Lovenkrands is a puff.

[sniffer 0]

Its a shame Lovelyhands isnt getting thrown on here and there when we are chasing a game. His record at home last year was pretty awesome.

 

In the championship. Says it all.

[Holden McGroin 6783]

Its a shame Lovelyhands isnt getting thrown on here and there when we are chasing a game. His record at home last year was pretty awesome.

Came on against Blackpool under those circumstances although he was so anonymous even people at the game would be forgiven for not noticing so I'll let you off

 

 

I would have thought he'd have featured a bit more this season though.

[Holden McGroin 6783]

Its a shame Lovelyhands isnt getting thrown on here and there when we are chasing a game. His record at home last year was pretty awesome.

 

In the championship. Says it all.

 

 

He has a decent eye for goal and is quick so is worth throwing him on now and again. He might offer opposing defences something different. Not that I think he is Lionel Messi or anything.