Winter of Discontent --- Part Two

[NJS 4258]

Add to the mix that a lot of the private sector has been putting up with job losses, pay cuts and various shit for the last three years while the public sector has been protected by Labours wasteful spending. All points to a very unpleasant time.

 

As we've argued before, the notion that only those pointless public sector workers will be affected is wrong. All those consultancies and providers like EDS will also see a fall in business. Then theres the ancillary stuff like sandwich shops and even Taxi firms that will see less business if offices close.

 

A lot of the "little people" like the Sandwich shops won't have Unions to fight for them - I have no objection to them being included in the fight.

 

My overall position remeins the same - a better way to cut the defecit is to promote growth and tackle tax evasion rather than decimate government - especially as the latter is driven idealogically.

[Guest alex]

Howay then CT, lets have some quotes from actual speeches.

[Christmas Tree 4450]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

[Sonatine 11125]

Add to the mix that a lot of the private sector has been putting up with job losses, pay cuts and various shit for the last three years while the public sector has been protected by Labours wasteful spending. All points to a very unpleasant time.

 

As we've argued before, the notion that only those pointless public sector workers will be affected is wrong. All those consultancies and providers like EDS will also see a fall in business. Then theres the ancillary stuff like sandwich shops and even Taxi firms that will see less business if offices close.

 

A lot of the "little people" like the Sandwich shops won't have Unions to fight for them - I have no objection to them being included in the fight.

 

My overall position remeins the same - a better way to cut the defecit is to promote growth and tackle tax evasion rather than decimate government - especially as the latter is driven idealogically.

 

 

Doesn't tax evasion\fraud cost the country 15 times the amount benefit fraud does?

[Guest alex]

Add to the mix that a lot of the private sector has been putting up with job losses, pay cuts and various shit for the last three years while the public sector has been protected by Labours wasteful spending. All points to a very unpleasant time.

 

As we've argued before, the notion that only those pointless public sector workers will be affected is wrong. All those consultancies and providers like EDS will also see a fall in business. Then theres the ancillary stuff like sandwich shops and even Taxi firms that will see less business if offices close.

 

A lot of the "little people" like the Sandwich shops won't have Unions to fight for them - I have no objection to them being included in the fight.

 

My overall position remeins the same - a better way to cut the defecit is to promote growth and tackle tax evasion rather than decimate government - especially as the latter is driven idealogically.

The NE Chamber of Commerce (that bastion of socialism) recently spoke out against the cuts for the very reasons you give.

[NJS 4258]

I love the use of "communist" as an insult - very American.

[Guest alex]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

I'm interested in what you specifically have a problem with which is why I asked you the question. Seems fair enough given you started a thread on it but have just ranted against a perceived commie plot but haven't provided any details.

[trophyshy 7060]

The tory cunts are ensuring their private sector buddies benefit from the Feed in Tariffs for renewable energy, ensuring that 8-10% returns on investment are not going into the hands of communities or the cash strapped public sector. Promoting it via DECC's website FFS. Green Deal also going to be private sector lead, another way to bleed cash out of the proles.

 

They look after the rich; themselves. Cunts to a man.

[manc-mag 1]

 

Seriously high hair that tbf.

[trophyshy 7060]

 

Seriously high hair that tbf.

tbh

[ChezGiven 0]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

 

Oh aye, the case for cuts gets stronger every week. Keep reading Krugman CT and have a think about why inflation is rising yet growth is stagnant. Sounds just like what he predicted was going to happen is happening. The case for cuts has certainly not been made anywhere as far as i can see. The Chinese aren't cutting expenditure. Funny that.

[Christmas Tree 4450]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

I'm interested in what you specifically have a problem with which is why I asked you the question. Seems fair enough given you started a thread on it but have just ranted against a perceived commie plot but haven't provided any details.

 

 

I think its pretty clear.

[Guest alex]

You're being very evasive here, CT. Plenty to say but seemingly can't answer a perfectly straightforward question.

[Christmas Tree 4450]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

 

Oh aye, the case for cuts gets stronger every week. Keep reading Krugman CT and have a think about why inflation is rising yet growth is stagnant. Sounds just like what he predicted was going to happen is happening. The case for cuts has certainly not been made anywhere as far as i can see. The Chinese aren't cutting expenditure. Funny that.

 

 

TBH the cuts and whether they are right or wrong have been done to death in various threads.

 

This was more about the havoc the unions will reek by joining together to organise mass general strikes. Bob Crow is the one who thinks the public should have sit down protests on motorways!!!

 

Back to the seventies.

[Guest alex]

CT, do you think Crow is remotely representative of the TUC or the Labour party and do you think he has any hope of getting enough support on board for what he's proposed?

[Guest alex]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

 

Oh aye, the case for cuts gets stronger every week. Keep reading Krugman CT and have a think about why inflation is rising yet growth is stagnant. Sounds just like what he predicted was going to happen is happening. The case for cuts has certainly not been made anywhere as far as i can see. The Chinese aren't cutting expenditure. Funny that.

 

 

TBH the cuts and whether they are right or wrong have been done to death in various threads.

 

This was more about the havoc the unions will reek by joining together to organise mass general strikes. Bob Crow is the one who thinks the public should have sit down protests on motorways!!!

 

Back to the seventies.

Are you saying that what Bob Crow thinks is more important than the rights and wrongs of the proposed cuts then? Also, seeing as the government are hell bent on the cuts, is that the debate dead as far as you see it?

[Christmas Tree 4450]

CT, do you think Crow is remotely representative of the TUC or the Labour party and do you think he has any hope of getting enough support on board for what he's proposed?

 

 

I would say that he seems to be a very strong voice within the TUC. He is leader of a union that has grown since he took it over and I would guess that he feels very bullish and that other union leaders back him.

 

They have already agreed to coordinate their action.

 

With regard to the Labour party, it is such turmoil and with the leadership elections going on its hard to say. All the candidates are wooing the unions so I guess they will keep on doing what they are told

[Guest alex]

CT, do you think Crow is remotely representative of the TUC or the Labour party and do you think he has any hope of getting enough support on board for what he's proposed?

 

 

I would say that he seems to be a very strong voice within the TUC. He is leader of a union that has grown since he took it over and I would guess that he feels very bullish and that other union leaders back him.

 

They have already agreed to coordinate their action.

 

With regard to the Labour party, it is such turmoil and with the leadership elections going on its hard to say. All the candidates are wooing the unions so I guess they will keep on doing what they are told

I think he's at the extreme left of the TUC these days. The head of the TUC described Crow's comments as unhelpful too.

As for the bit in bold. They've said that but that's as detailed as it is at the minute. I appreciate that means strikes are a possibility but they're playing a game of wait and see, which you can't really criticise too much imo when, as you point out, the government are still so nebulous when it comes to where these cuts will be.

I notice the police are speaking out against the proposed cuts today too. Those loony lefties.

[Matt 0]

The tory cunts are ensuring their private sector buddies benefit from the Feed in Tariffs for renewable energy, ensuring that 8-10% returns on investment are not going into the hands of communities or the cash strapped public sector. Promoting it via DECC's website FFS. Green Deal also going to be private sector lead, another way to bleed cash out of the proles.

 

They look after the rich; themselves. Cunts to a man.

 

Anyone can claim FITs. But if the govt want us to all to produce renewable energy, then there is an up-front cost that has to be met. That can be public, private, charity, individual, whoever.

[Renton 20442]

Only speech I heard was quite reasonable tbh. Not heard any others. Surely it would make sense to quote the stuff you have a problem with though.

 

 

If your interested Alex Im sure you can google various soundbites from various commentators from Harman to Milliband and countless union leaders inbetween.

 

I think most people in the centre ground realise cuts have to be made and are cutting their cloth accordingly as "we" in the private sector have had to do for some years now.

 

I also understand public outrage as with the poll tax.

 

However a handful of communist union leaders like Crow plotting together to try and bring down the coalition is wrong. Unions trying to gang up and force government policy is wrong. Lets see where the cuts fall and then let the people, backed by a union take it from there.

 

Some sectors mat face big job losses others may not.

 

But a few communists trying to gang up and dictate policy aint on and hopefully this will be the deathnell for this type of union leader.

 

Oh aye, the case for cuts gets stronger every week. Keep reading Krugman CT and have a think about why inflation is rising yet growth is stagnant. Sounds just like what he predicted was going to happen is happening. The case for cuts has certainly not been made anywhere as far as i can see. The Chinese aren't cutting expenditure. Funny that.

 

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

[ewerk 29506]

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

 

Ireland didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the UK is much better equipped to resist such massive cuts (should we choose to).

[Renton 20442]

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

 

Ireland didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the UK is much better equipped to resist such massive cuts (should we choose to).

 

Well no, but the point being all that austerity and self-flagellation might not have done any good whatsoever. Mind I hear the Irish are partial to a bit of self-abuse.

[ewerk 29506]

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

 

Ireland didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the UK is much better equipped to resist such massive cuts (should we choose to).

 

Well no, but the point being all that austerity and self-flagellation might not have done any good whatsoever. Mind I hear the Irish are partial to a bit of self-abuse.

 

I know what you're saying and I agree completely.

 

Anyway, Ireland's most recent downgrade was primarily because of the realisation of the mammoth task the government had taken on in supporting the banks.

[Happy Face 29]

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

 

Ireland didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the UK is much better equipped to resist such massive cuts (should we choose to).

 

Well no, but the point being all that austerity and self-flagellation might not have done any good whatsoever. Mind I hear the Irish are partial to a bit of self-abuse.

 

The majority in Ireland continue to agree with the measures being taken too and support the government.

 

Public opinion really has no place in dictating the precise art of macro economics tttt.

[Guest alex]

I heard on the radio the other night Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded because their austerity measures have led to a lack of growth. Oh the irony.

 

Ireland didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the UK is much better equipped to resist such massive cuts (should we choose to).

 

Well no, but the point being all that austerity and self-flagellation might not have done any good whatsoever. Mind I hear the Irish are partial to a bit of self-abuse.

 

The majority in Ireland continue to agree with the measures being taken too and support the government.

 

Public opinion really has no place in dictating the precise art of macro economics tttt.

I hope you're not taking a swipe at the coalition's 'suggestion box' politics there.