Players we underestimated.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

His body was made of glass as well and despite that (according to rumour anyway) he was always out on the piss. Hardly a model pro.

 

Not to mention a rapist, Hepatitis sufferer and drug user . . . allegedly.

[Guest alex]

His body was made of glass as well and despite that (according to rumour anyway) he was always out on the piss. Hardly a model pro.

Who's saying he wasn't injury prone or was a model pro though?

[Barney 0]

Regarding Speed, I think everyone missed him when he was gone as people reckoned he was slowing us down when he was here, then everyone realised that Jenas was a cowardly cunt and Speed was completely protecting him.

 

Parker missed by anyone? I always liked him.

 

Also, with Friedel, didn't he piss about on Liverpools bench and not really come into his own until Blackburn a fair few years back? Might be wrong about that mind.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

Parker missed by anyone? I always liked him.

 

Parker was doomed when he barked something back at the fans that one time. I thought he was a good player though.

[Holden McGroin 6456]

Parker missed by anyone? I always liked him.

 

Parker was doomed when he barked something back at the fans that one time. I thought he was a good player though.

 

Average for me. He used to run 50 yards out of position to crunch someone for a round of applause. Often enough when he didnt make it he was out of position. Decent enough footballer though. I hate his face as well.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Dyer needed blistering pace because 90% of the time his first touch was so shite, he needed to be quicker than the opposition to get the ball back and under control.

As for the goal stevie is referring to, fuck even Andy Griffin scored an unbelievable goal or two.

Maybe Dyer just didn't give a fuck and it was obvious in to many games.

a piss take??? Has to be. His first touch was the best at the club. Keegan look what you've done to our support.

[manc-mag 1]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

Do you think that was him? Blistering pace and that's it?

 

Not at all mate. It was still in reference to your initial point about top 10 abilitywise over the last 30 years.

 

I think there were more gifted players during that period but that's not to say I didnt think Dyer was technically very skilfull. Fwiw I also take your point about him operating at pace too, which ups the skill levels required. As has been said, he was also ideal in that particular Robson team, which makes a huge difference (in terms of matching players to systems).

 

I don't honestly class him as underrated though (your defence being proof of that), more a case of highly disliked for other transgressions.

[TicTacWoe 0]

Can't remember Parker doing much for us, that team was a real mess though so it's hard to know. He's done better at West Ham who are in even more of a mess mind you.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

 

That was cracking btw

 

[manc-mag 1]

Parker missed by anyone? I always liked him.

 

Parker was doomed when he barked something back at the fans that one time. I thought he was a good player though.

 

Doomed by that side parting more like.

[manc-mag 1]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

 

That was cracking btw

 

 

Cheddar Gorge tbf.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

Do you think that was him? Blistering pace and that's it?

 

Not at all mate. It was still in reference to your initial point about top 10 abilitywise over the last 30 years.

 

I think there were more gifted players during that period but that's not to say I didnt think Dyer was technically very skilfull. Fwiw I also take your point about him operating at pace too, which ups the skill levels required. As has been said, he was also ideal in that particular Robson team, which makes a huge difference (in terms of matching players to systems).

 

I don't honestly class him as underrated though (your defence being proof of that), more a case of highly disliked for other transgressions.

I'll name who I think who had more technique than Dyer:

 

Keegan

Beardsley

Waddle

Gascoigne

Ginola

Robert

Shearer - his technique in striking a ball was arguably the best in the world

Solano

 

...and in terms of pure technique you really are struggling to name anyone with more technique than Dyer.

[Guest alex]

Photoshopped tbh.

[Holden McGroin 6456]

Viana had fantastic technique. He wasnt better than Dyer though.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

 

That was cracking btw

 

My mate made a good point the other day, people who wear caps in their late 20's/early 30's are total mugs. Who am I to disagree?

[TicTacWoe 0]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

Do you think that was him? Blistering pace and that's it?

 

Not at all mate. It was still in reference to your initial point about top 10 abilitywise over the last 30 years.

 

I think there were more gifted players during that period but that's not to say I didnt think Dyer was technically very skilfull. Fwiw I also take your point about him operating at pace too, which ups the skill levels required. As has been said, he was also ideal in that particular Robson team, which makes a huge difference (in terms of matching players to systems).

 

I don't honestly class him as underrated though (your defence being proof of that), more a case of highly disliked for other transgressions.

I'll name who I think who had more technique than Dyer:

 

Keegan

Beardsley

Waddle

Gascoigne

Ginola

Robert

Shearer - his technique in striking a ball was arguably the best in the world

Solano

 

...and in terms of pure technique you really are struggling to name anyone with more technique than Dyer.

 

Agreed and on his day you could arguably put him ahead of Robert and even Solano

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

 

That was cracking btw

 

My mate made a good point the other day, people who wear caps in their late 20's/early 30's are total mugs. Who am I to disagree?

 

You are a Grade A pleb like

 

Its pretty sunny in the Arizona desert btw

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

pmsl ahahahaha stick to making up stories about stag do's in Vegas pal.

 

That was cracking btw

 

My mate made a good point the other day, people who wear caps in their late 20's/early 30's are total mugs. Who am I to disagree?

 

You are a Grade A pleb like

 

Its pretty sunny in the Arizona desert btw

Well buy some sunglasses ya daft cunt instead of walking round like Jason Marriner.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

Sorry Gok

[Guest alex]

Technique's a bit of a broad description for specific components to a player's game, which makes comparisons hard in a way, but two that spring to mind as being technically excellent (who haven't had a mention) are Woodgate and Albert.

Edited September 7, 2010 by alex

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

I see Gok Wan's house was broken into the other week and they raided his kitchen. Gok Wan's Wok's Gon.

[Giraffidae 0]

to me, Dyer hated the idea of playing as a winger which made him deliberately make Solano such a key player, Dyer was a talented enough player to make someone else look as good as he was. Problem with Dyer was that he was far too lightweight in his defensive work to ever be a central midfielder — he should of been a winger or an attacking fullback.

 

The player I thought, when he was a kid, was all arms and legs and had no desire, was Chris Waddle. He blossomed in that promotion season alongside Keegan though, then I realised he was a cracking player and we would not hold onto him.

I use to hate Waddle, always with those shimies and never lifting his head to look to do anything with the ball.

 

The amount of times he ran the ball over the touchline because he hadn’t realised he’d run out of pitch, urgh!

 

Along with that lazy looking stroll/jog I knew he’d never be a decent player....

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

Technique's a bit of a broad description for specific components to a player's game, which makes comparisons hard in a way, but two that spring to mind as being technically excellent (who haven't had a mention) are Woodgate and Albert.

 

To me, technique is someone who has total mastery of the ball. Scholes/Xavi for example. Can ping a 60 yard pass, can stop a ball on a sixpence, never misplace a pass, can place a shot in the top corner.

 

Dyer couldnt do any of that he could run fast and dribble. The only person who reckons that is 'technique' is stevie!

[Guest alex]

Technique's a bit of a broad description for specific components to a player's game, which makes comparisons hard in a way, but two that spring to mind as being technically excellent (who haven't had a mention) are Woodgate and Albert.

 

To me, technique is someone who has total mastery of the ball. Scholes/Xavi for example. Can ping a 60 yard pass, can stop a ball on a sixpence, never misplace a pass, can place a shot in the top corner.

 

Dyer couldnt do any of that he could run fast and dribble. The only person who reckons that is 'technique' is stevie!

That's the perfect attacking player rather than a description of technique though. And tbf, Dyer would have to be the former to be capable of what Giraffidae is saying he did re: Solano