Players we underestimated.

[Dr Gloom 21760]

I rated Milner a lot, fell on deaf ears (or blind eyes) on here though.

 

For me, has to be Speed.

 

 

i never thought milner would develop ionto the player he has. fair play to him. most of us thougth we'd done a good deal selling him to villa for £12m or whatever it was. we should have used him int he centre more often.

[TicTacWoe 0]

was speed that under-rated though? most thought we'd dropped a bollock by signing him when he first joined as a winger but after he moved inside he was one of the first names on our team sheet for years. we shouldn't have let him go when we did either. he gave bolton a few decent seasons after he left. quality player. we've never really had the same threat in the air from corners since he left and shearer retired either.

 

i thought jenas was under-rated by most at the time butlooks liek i was wrong. the doubters got that one right i think when you look at how crap he's been at spurs.

 

a contoversial shout because of his injury and attitude but i think dyer was under rated though can understand why so many disliked him. if only the little shit could have kept himself fit and out of trouble, he could have been a quality player for us. he had so much ability, should have done so much more with his career. when you look at he's done at west ham mind, we did well to get rid.

 

Dyer was fantastic for us, as was Bellamy, we've had nothing that potent in the team since imo. Bellamy was certainly underappreciated by people at the club but that's probably partially understandable due to his prickish behavior, same with Dyer.

[sammynb 3342]

For me Speed suffered badly by constantly being pair in the centre of the midfield with complete lightweight, heartless shite - Jenas, Dyer, Bowyer, Gavilan, Bassedas, Kerr - poor bastard if only he had a decent partner you have wonder if that year under SBR we went close whether it would have helped.

[sammynb 3342]

Dyer was fantastic for us, as was Bellamy, we've had nothing that potent in the team since imo. Bellamy was certainly underappreciated by people at the club but that's probably partially understandable due to his prickish behavior, same with Dyer.

 

Bellamy was a game changer, Dyer was a waster who played 2 or 3 decent games a season for us.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

Exactly, Dyer was gash. He could run fast and side foot the ball. I laughed out loud last week when he had a shot for West Ham on MOTD and he's still trying to side foot it in from 20 yards!

[LeazesMag 0]

I still don't think Milner is THAT good, although central midfield is his best position. Is he seriously as good as Lampard or Gerrard ?

 

No.

 

I like the players who go about their game quietly and efficiently so never underestimated the likes of Gary Speed or Aaron Hughes.

 

The player I thought, when he was a kid, was all arms and legs and had no desire, was Chris Waddle. He blossomed in that promotion season alongside Keegan though, then I realised he was a cracking player and we would not hold onto him.

[manc-mag 1]

Peter Withe. Possibly because of Keegan coming not a million years later mind.

[Holden McGroin 6456]

Of course Milner is the current one. But I'm also thinking Dabizas, Lee Clark and that full back who could play both sides and is still playing in the PL.

 

Thoughts.

 

Do you mean Aaron Hughes, if not, add him to your list.

I'd add Acuna and Saha (although at the time he was still had a long way to go).

 

Saha was terriblle when he played for us.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Exactly, Dyer was gash. He could run fast and side foot the ball. I laughed out loud last week when he had a shot for West Ham on MOTD and he's still trying to side foot it in from 20 yards!

Have you ever been to the match before? Dyer gash??? Without any doubt he was one of the 10 most talented players to play for the toon in my lifetime. 01/02 when he steared clear from injury he was completely immense, rarely seen a player run as fast with the ball under complete control, his problem was he was largely always injured and his attitude was questionable.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Going back a lot of years Andy Thomas was a great player who we really should've kept for a long time and was never really appreciated, same for Goddard to a point.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

[Holden McGroin 6456]

I think Dyers movement and non-stop running opened up space for a lot of other players. Bellamy, Dyer and Robert's speed attacking in Robsons team was the main reason why we did so well.

 

He couldn't shoot though and is crossing was poor but when fit I think he worried defenders.

 

I was often worried about his power/strength playing in CM especially when we had 2 out and out wingers in Robert/Solano. This left Speed exposed as well.

[manc-mag 1]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

[manc-mag 1]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

[Guest alex]

Dyer and Solano combined very well and he was important to Bellamy's game too, as has been mentioned. I think that in itself shows there was more to his game than pace because his movement was superb as well. Also had a great engine and, when combined with his pace, stopped sides being able to catch us on the break often at SJP, which probably went unnoticed to a degree. He was a frustrating player at times and he wasn't a Paul Scholes type of AM, to whom he was often unfairly compared. He was an essential part of Robson's side though and when he got injured he was a big miss. It turned sour towards the end and I think that colours people's judgement (and rightly so, probably - especially in relation to disrespecting SBR).

[Guest Tuco Ramirez]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

Do you think that was him? Blistering pace and that's it?

[TicTacWoe 0]

Aye, top 10 in the last 30 years might be pushing a bit like.

In terms of raw ability without a doubt.

 

Think in part I always struggle to accept blistering pace as being the same thing as footballing ability. Although it's obviously as important as anything else (if not more so) in the modern game.

 

There was more to Dyer than just pace though, when not injured for us he was far more lethal than the likes of Walcott, Lennon or Agbonlahor are at present, he had a much greater sense of purpose and direction then that lot.

 

Obviously he wasn't the most likeable of players particularly after disrespecting SBR but to give him some credit he later said that doing so was the biggest regret of his life.

Edited September 7, 2010 by TicTacWoe

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

I guess soopafan status doesnt necessarily give you footballing knowledge.

 

Maybe gash was a bit harsh, but top 10 players in the last 30 years, fuck off man. He played half his time with us as an AM who couldnt shoot, and then we tried him as a RW who couldnt cross! I went to every home game in the 2000 season too if that makes any difference to you.

Then you'll remember his goal of the season goal against Coventry when he ran the full length of the pitch beating 6 players before curling the ball with the outside of his right foot in to the bottom corner at the Leazes End. We didn't have a player capable of that type of goal since Ginola, not to mention his astonishing 4 lob goal at Everton the same season. Technique wise he was one of the best we've ever had, idiots cloud their judgement because he's a cunt.

 

No he wasnt though, or else he would have been able to pass or shoot further than 5 yards! He was fast and he could dribble. Similar to Routledge imo

 

Pancrate scored a cracking goal last year. Doesnt make him a fucking superstar!

[sammynb 3342]

Dyer needed blistering pace because 90% of the time his first touch was so shite, he needed to be quicker than the opposition to get the ball back and under control.

As for the goal stevie is referring to, fuck even Andy Griffin scored an unbelievable goal or two.

Maybe Dyer just didn't give a fuck and it was obvious in to many games.

[Guest alex]

Think I've mentioned it before but I jumped up and knocked the light off the wall in The Black Bull at Four Lane Ends when he scored that goal against Everton

[Guest alex]

Dyer needed blistering pace because 90% of the time his first touch was so shite, he needed to be quicker than the opposition to get the ball back and under control.

As for the goal stevie is referring to, fuck even Andy Griffin scored an unbelievable goal or two.

Maybe Dyer just didn't give a fuck and it was obvious in to many games.

I think it's a bit of a myth because I think he usually gave 100%.

[Holden McGroin 6456]

His body was made of glass as well and despite that (according to rumour anyway) he was always out on the piss. Hardly a model pro.

[Kid Dynamite 6964]

Has anyone got that video clip of him and Jenas at the WWF and going all shy when the wrestler came to talk to them