Old Board vs New Board

[Phil 6]

Ok ASM. So there is no misunderstanding or miscomprehension. Keep it in the relevant thread. You think Ashley is running the club well, and the old board did not ?

 

Spell it out, because it certainly looks that way, and not just in this thread.

 

 

 

I think Ashley is running the club in a fashion that means in the coming years, there will still be a club. Simples.

 

 

You can't really say how the old regime would have handled their overspending. Most probably a very high interest bank loan. What is clear, we wouldn't have been relegated and Taylor would be on 60k a week.

 

When I look at how badly West ham is being run it does remind me of the things I didn't like about the old board.

[farnie1993 0]

We're inconsistent but we're not struggling, we're 7th, so how does your comment "Inconsistency is the sign of a struggling side" apply?

 

Like I said. Your true home is on Newcastle Online, with all the other spotty 10 year old arseholes, if you seriously don't understand that.

[LeazesMag 0]

We're inconsistent but we're not struggling, we're 7th, so how does your comment "Inconsistency is the sign of a struggling side" apply?

 

Like I said. Your true home is on Newcastle Online, with all the other spotty 10 year old arseholes, if you seriously don't understand that.

 

oh dear. Who are you on Newcastle Online ? Or is it a secret

[shackbleep 0]

Laughable that your argument to anyone who disagrees with you is that they must be from Newcastle-Online. Particularly when you consider you're in the minority wherever you're posting.

[JawD 99]

Tbf to LM, I dont think we can state league position as an arguement against Shepherd when Ashley had us relegated.

[LeazesMag 0]

Laughable that your argument to anyone who disagrees with you is that they must be from Newcastle-Online. Particularly when you consider you're in the minority wherever you're posting.

 

you should look more closely, this thread was bumped forward because someone else found an earlier comment about Newcastle Online.

[LeazesMag 0]

Tbf to LM, I dont think we can state league position as an arguement against Shepherd when Ashley had us relegated.

 

History may yet show that despite people saying the Halls and Shepherd would have taken us into administration, they didn't do it, someone else did, and they in fact saved us from that very thing in 1991.

 

We will see. Unless Mike Ashley is bought out. As someone has said [i think it was HF], cost cutting by him is negating the advantage we have of being the 2nd/3rd biggest supported club and dragging us down to the levels of clubs like Burnley, Bolton etc etc

 

As you say, people like skidmarks continues to say we would have been relegated under the Halls and Shepherd too. But we weren't. We were in fact, promoted under them, grew into a giant club and played regularly in europe. Someone else came and ruined all of that, not the Halls and Shepherd. These are facts, set in stone.

[Gejon 2]

My Newcastle-Online alarm went off!

 

Leazes still bitter?

[LeazesMag 0]

My Newcastle-Online alarm went off!

 

Leazes still bitter?

 

[Gejon 2]

Yep

[manc-mag 1]

Yep

 

These are facts, set in stone.

[Gejon 2]

Yep

 

These are facts, set in stone.

[LeazesMag 0]

Yep

 

These are facts, set in stone.

 

embarrassingly obsessed

 

[manc-mag 1]

Just you keeping quoting, eh?

[The Fish 11042]

I'm just curious, if Ashely were to establish a sustainable model for NUFC where we have a prolific academy, and success on the pitch (as he claims to want)... in this HYPOTHETICAL, would Leazes admit he was wrong?

[TheGreatNUFCSwindle 0]

Tbf to LM, I dont think we can state league position as an arguement against Shepherd when Ashley had us relegated.

 

History may yet show that despite people saying the Halls and Shepherd would have taken us into administration, they didn't do it, someone else did, and they in fact saved us from that very thing in 1991.

 

We will see. Unless Mike Ashley is bought out. As someone has said [i think it was HF], cost cutting by him is negating the advantage we have of being the 2nd/3rd biggest supported club and dragging us down to the levels of clubs like Burnley, Bolton etc etc

 

As you say, people like skidmarks continues to say we would have been relegated under the Halls and Shepherd too. But we weren't. We were in fact, promoted under them, grew into a giant club and played regularly in europe. Someone else came and ruined all of that, not the Halls and Shepherd. These are facts, set in stone.

 

 

This...

[Problem Child 0]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

Edited December 16, 2010 by Problem Child

[LeazesMag 0]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

Not to everybody, its mainly skidmarks who keeps directly harping on about where we were when they sold, although a few still appear to share his view. To be fair, most on here can now see that Ashley is a cunt, at least they don't dispute that anymore.

 

You are quite correct in everything you say above mind.

[Christmas Tree 4913]

99.9% of this board and Newcastle Fans couldnt give a fuck about the Halls and Shepherds raping the club for all it was worth because they gave us a nice ride along the way.

 

99.9% of this board and Newcastle Fans realise that they then fucked the club up, were dragging it downwards and were only too happy to cash in and get out.

 

99.9% of this board and Newcastle Fans then got on with life.

 

0.1 % of this board cant get over his dismissal from another board and not being able to re-argue his case against his old foes.

 

 

In 5 years time when Im proved right about Ashleys intentions and his five year plan, do you seriously think Im going to waste my twilight years trying to prove to total strangers how clever I was and how thick they were?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You betcha!

[TheGreatNUFCSwindle 0]

Lol ...in 5 years time ....best joke ive heard in years ....NEXT !

[spongebob toonpants 4181]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

BOOM!!

 

The only word I disagree with is fairly in the description of the stadium. It had one half decent but ageing stand,The Leazes was gone, two open ends, a rickety old wooden stand- the transformation of the team and ground was astonishing

[Phil 6]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

 

 

The mortgage and unpaid purchases accounts for 80m, or does that not suit your argument? Then you have things like sponsorship money spent years in advance, no European football revenue, an overpaid squad that has no chance of European football (Dyer on 80k, ffs) and a shite manager that the Shepards and Halls would have sacked or worse backed him with money we didn't have.

[Happy Face 29]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

 

 

The mortgage and unpaid purchases accounts for 80m, or does that not suit your argument? Then you have things like sponsorship money spent years in advance, no European football revenue, an overpaid squad that has no chance of European football (Dyer on 80k, ffs) and a shite manager that the Shepards and Halls would have sacked or worse backed him with money we didn't have.

 

Agreed.

 

There's more than enough screw ups to shame each of the owners on their own terms going back decades, no need to conflate what they screwed up.

 

There's no question who took the club forward most though.

[Guest]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

 

 

The mortgage and unpaid purchases accounts for 80m, or does that not suit your argument? Then you have things like sponsorship money spent years in advance, no European football revenue, an overpaid squad that has no chance of European football (Dyer on 80k, ffs) and a shite manager that the Shepards and Halls would have sacked or worse backed him with money we didn't have.

 

Agreed.

 

There's more than enough screw ups to shame each of the owners on their own terms going back decades, no need to conflate what they screwed up.

 

There's no question who took the club forward most though.

 

 

There's no question who had more of a blank canvas starting point too.

[LeazesMag 0]

This debate always revolves around the position we were in when SJH/FF sold up, not what they achieved. NUFC were in deep shit when SJH bought the club. Languishing near the bottom of the second division, playing in front of 20,000 supporters in a fairly cruddy stadium and staring bankruptcy in the face. Fifteenish years later we were an established top flight club packing 50,000 plus supporters into one the country’s best stadiums. We’d regularly qualified for Europe, broken the world transfer record and been privileged to watch some of the world’s best players pull on the black and white. The cost of this transformation? A debt of £77m.

 

Compare this to the Ashley who has increased the debt by £200m in three years and achieved nothing at all.

 

SJH/FF were far from perfect but this is no contest.

 

 

 

The mortgage and unpaid purchases accounts for 80m, or does that not suit your argument? Then you have things like sponsorship money spent years in advance, no European football revenue, an overpaid squad that has no chance of European football (Dyer on 80k, ffs) and a shite manager that the Shepards and Halls would have sacked or worse backed him with money we didn't have.

 

Agreed.

 

There's more than enough screw ups to shame each of the owners on their own terms going back decades, no need to conflate what they screwed up.

 

There's no question who took the club forward most though.

 

 

There's no question who had more of a blank canvas starting point too.

 

there's always one.