Guest alex Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Phil, are you disputing graduates earn more than non-graduates on average, or that it really helps to have a degree in medicine to become a doctor? Arsegravey indeed. Are you saying current figure will be the same as future ones? As much as you want to win a debate through knit picking, the guy wants to do an IT degree in web design. So please think about the relevance of the tripe you are pushing. Doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher etc... ALL have to do post graduate course. And most will say they started their education started when they got into practice. They don't mean that literally though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Dude i'm looking to do programming etc., not a degree in web development. that stuffs shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Phil, are you disputing graduates earn more than non-graduates on average, or that it really helps to have a degree in medicine to become a doctor? Arsegravey indeed. Are you saying current figure will be the same as future ones? As much as you want to win a debate through knit picking, the guy wants to do an IT degree in web design. So please think about the relevance of the tripe you are pushing. Doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher etc... ALL have to do post graduate course. And most will say they started their education started when they got into practice. Even a cursory glance through the IT jobs at my place shows requirement of a degree as an entry qualification. Of course there's more to Uni than just the social life, whatever you study. And you can't do a postgraduate qualification without being a graduate ffs. So you're going to ignore the situation we are talking about in favour of knit picking. I'll pass on that pointless debate, thanks. You might want to try searching a bit harder. Sure some will ask for a degree, but most don't. In IT you always go through Agents, who almost always talk the hiring manager down. http://www.reed.co.uk/job/searchresults.as...rue&da=8630 http://www.reed.co.uk/job/searchresults.as...rue&da=8630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 As everyone knows, giving 50% of the population a degree (as Labour once hoped) dilutes the meaning of a Degree, but I don't get those who think that this makes Degrees worthless? Surely they're more important now, if a degree is the new minimum for most jobs, surely not having one is just going to make you look stupid? "Why doesn't he have a degree" etc etc. The entire "No point in going to University" school of thought is baffling, regardless of anyones personal opinion on giving shit courses out to idiots who spell college "collage" and think a media degree will get them to Hollywood. Now i'm going out to celebrate my results, I don't want to come back and see anyone else pissing on my bonfire now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Dude i'm looking to do programming etc., not a degree in web development. that stuffs shit. You might want to spend more than 5 minutes researching your course then. Information Systems is a science degree, but it's closer to the Arts side than Engineering. I suspect that course is a science as it has web design. This course is aimed at students who are seeking a career within the computing industry, with special emphasis on the design and maintenance of web sites. http://prospectus.ulster.ac.uk/course/?id=8095#The I'd give their placements department a ring and ask to see what jobs they currently have (ask for job description as they may over sell) - I'd put money on almost all of them being with web design companies. Any particular area of Programming, as they have loads of degrees that look more relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 I didn't choose to do that course, i'm doing computer science (software engineering). That was just an option back whenever i posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42384 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Best of luck whatever you do, you little skip rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I didn't choose to do that course, i'm doing computer science (software engineering). That was just an option back whenever i posted it. Ah ok. my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc. Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey. Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4747 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc. Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey. Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. have you tried looking for a job with Alevels and no degree? if you get a levels you HAVE to go to uni, otherwise you are genuinely better off getting into the world of work after your GCSEs, A levels are pratically useless when it comes to getting a job, employers dont want them, youve no degree but youre 18 so training you costs more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. Presumably, though, you'd still rather hire a uni grad who's keen to learn than an A level student who knows nowt? Or do you really think that a university education makes everyone dumber and a worse human being to boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21584 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc. Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey. Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. So basically you are saying University is a waste of time (except for socialising) based on your own preferences and opinions as a small IT company employer and not much else? You can accuse me of nit-picking all you like, but I think this has more to do with you not admitting you were wrong more than anything else. Your description of University graduates as 'know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt' speaks for your own prejudices too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 fuck it, time to get drunk and forget alllllllllllllllllllll about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 They weren't called A Levels when I did them, they were called Cycling Proficiency Test. I got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. Presumably, though, you'd still rather hire a uni grad who's keen to learn than an A level student who knows nowt? Or do you really think that a university education makes everyone dumber and a worse human being to boot? I dont think all grads are like the young ones. More that neither are really up to working environment without training and the salary of a Uni grad is 20k, whereas a-level are on around 12-15k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc. Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey. Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. have you tried looking for a job with Alevels and no degree? if you get a levels you HAVE to go to uni, otherwise you are genuinely better off getting into the world of work after your GCSEs, A levels are pratically useless when it comes to getting a job, employers dont want them, youve no degree but youre 18 so training you costs more. Oh c'mon, that's utter bollocks on every level! There's a massive difference between employing a 16 year old with GCSE's and an 18 year with A level. A levels are hard, how can you belittle them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 you're forgetting the catch 22 of how he gets in to get his experience with just cert/exams under his belt as opposed to going in under a postgrad recruitment programme based on his degree and sandwich year alone normally. As well you know (i assume) the exams are pretty easy to blag and all, multiple choice and basic labs etc. Like i said depends on the area of work, if he was going into development/soft engi then i'd not go near any exams till after i got my foot in the door as a junior/postgrad code monkey. Getting the experience really is the absolute utter pain in the bollocks as far as this industry is concerned I think you are over selling the value of a degree and under selling the value of A levels. The catch 22 well be there for both. As an employer I would rather hire an A level student on less money who is keen to learn than a know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt. fwiw, I do agree placement degree are a definitely the best of both worlds. Just worth giving serious consideration to the alternatives, especially if you arent moving away from home. So basically you are saying University is a waste of time (except for socialising) based on your own preferences and opinions as a small IT company employer and not much else? You can accuse me of nit-picking all you like, but I think this has more to do with you not admitting you were wrong more than anything else. Your description of University graduates as 'know it all uni grad who knows next to nowt' speaks for your own prejudices too. What was the phrase you used in the politic thread, strawman? I said life experience, like; > managing your own budget > having your own place > paying bills > buying and using living items (food, washing powder etc) > realising the trade off between work/play All these and more help build you as a person and cant be realised if you stay at home. Obviously there are merits to going to Uni, i just said if you are doing a course like IT (or i'll add HR, Accounts) there are other qualifications you can sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4377 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 For what its worth if you want a really good career in IT then academically the best subject you could do by a billion miles is maths. There's a huge demand for analytical modelling and shit like that in finance - if you go as far as getting an MSc or a PHD and combine it with a decent standard of general computing you can easily earn 100k+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordPlay 0 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Got mine today. Physics A* Chemistry A French A* German A* Mega pissed off about not getting an A* in Chemistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10854 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Take all the drugs you can Fuck all the girls you can Do all the "zany" shit you can Do that in 1st year, balance it in 2nd year and work your bollocks off in 3rd. That's my advice, which is not to say that it's what I did, it's just what I should have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 I'll sort it all out bredrin's. I'm quite drunk right now so i'd rather just eat my chicken box and head to bed. I'm quite tired aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Got mine today. Physics A* Chemistry A French A* German A* Mega pissed off about not getting an A* in Chemistry Go fuck yourself before i rape you and your family up the arse and leave your anal rings bleeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Fish is making up for lost time by being zany on here instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 fuck it, time to get drunk and forget alllllllllllllllllllll about it. What was the upshot Kevin? You going to Uni or what? Can't be bothered to trawl through the thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30561 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Got mine today. Physics A* Chemistry A French A* German A* Mega pissed off about not getting an A* in Chemistry Evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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