Wikileaks

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PayPal has frozen WikiLeaks' account in the latest action against the whistleblower website, which has been posting leaked US embassy cables online.

 

The decision by the online payment site – which WikiLeaks had used to raise funds for web hosting and other costs – has been announced with a posting on PayPal's blog.

 

PayPal, owned by the auction website eBay, said the account had been frozen because it was being used for "illegal" activity.

 

This week Amazon withdrew its cloud hosting of WikiLeaks' cables site and the WikiLeaks.org domain was taken offline. It has since moved to other domains based outside America.

 

PayPal said: "PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal acceptable use policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity. We've notified the account holder of this action."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/0...kileaks-account

 

 

Dissent will not be tolerated.

 

Hey! But paypal and facebook and all this stuff is cool man! It's like all revolutionary and stuff...We're the kids baby and it's like made us free and shit....blah blah blah...

 

Following the lead of Daniel Elsberg...

 

I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing.

 

I ask Amazon to terminate immediately my account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices.

 

I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better. I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business.

 

So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear–and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses–to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to sites like antiwar.com that have now appropriately ended their book-purchasing association with Amazon.

 

Yours (no longer),

Happy Face

 

>>You should receive a response from one of our representatives within 12 hours.

 

Follow suit people, you know it makes sense.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

 

no intention whatsoever of stopping buying on amazon. Good on them. In fact, one of these, bought on amazon, arrived this morning for my new coffee percolator

 

[Park Life 71]

PayPal has frozen WikiLeaks' account in the latest action against the whistleblower website, which has been posting leaked US embassy cables online.

 

The decision by the online payment site – which WikiLeaks had used to raise funds for web hosting and other costs – has been announced with a posting on PayPal's blog.

 

PayPal, owned by the auction website eBay, said the account had been frozen because it was being used for "illegal" activity.

 

This week Amazon withdrew its cloud hosting of WikiLeaks' cables site and the WikiLeaks.org domain was taken offline. It has since moved to other domains based outside America.

 

PayPal said: "PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal acceptable use policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity. We've notified the account holder of this action."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/0...kileaks-account

 

 

Dissent will not be tolerated.

 

Hey! But paypal and facebook and all this stuff is cool man! It's like all revolutionary and stuff...We're the kids baby and it's like made us free and shit....blah blah blah...

 

Following the lead of Daniel Elsberg...

 

I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing.

 

I ask Amazon to terminate immediately my account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices.

 

I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better. I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business.

 

So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear–and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses–to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to sites like antiwar.com that have now appropriately ended their book-purchasing association with Amazon.

 

Yours (no longer),

Happy Face

 

>>You should receive a response from one of our representatives within 12 hours.

 

Follow suit people, you know it makes sense.

 

Where will I get my Xmas books?

[Happy Face 29]

As predicted.....

 

Could be the juiciest one yet. The papers aren't interested in running with torture and death, people find it too depressing and turn to the I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here page instead....but if Bush was saying what an arselicking puppet Blair was it'd run for weeks.

 

 

Wikileaks get investigated, but otherwise left to operate (as they do) within the law as long as they're providing evidence of lowly soldiers killing and torturing, even though they're following orders......but the moment diplomats, politicians, ambassadors and anyone with an ounce of power is embarrassed in the slightest, the full force of political pressure is brought upon them to shut down the entire operation.

 

Really ruffled feathers with this....the least shocking of their releases.

 

 

 

Sorry Leazes. I know how much you despise anyone harping on about being right.

[LeazesMag 0]

As predicted.....

 

Could be the juiciest one yet. The papers aren't interested in running with torture and death, people find it too depressing and turn to the I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here page instead....but if Bush was saying what an arselicking puppet Blair was it'd run for weeks.

 

 

Wikileaks get investigated, but otherwise left to operate (as they do) within the law as long as they're providing evidence of lowly soldiers killing and torturing, even though they're following orders......but the moment diplomats, politicians, ambassadors and anyone with an ounce of power is embarrassed in the slightest, the full force of political pressure is brought upon them to shut down the entire operation.

 

Really ruffled feathers with this....the least shocking of their releases.

 

 

 

Sorry Leazes. I know how much you despise anyone harping on about being right.

 

right about what ?

 

You're obsessed with the US, you think they are the bad guys of the world. You are so, so wrong and naive it's unbelievable.

[Happy Face 29]

right about what ?

That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet

 

You're obsessed with the US, you think they are the bad guys of the world. You are so, so wrong and naive it's unbelievable.

 

Where have I said the US are the bad boys?

 

Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance.

[Park Life 71]

Yeah but they are the bad guys, but so is everybody else.

[Happy Face 29]

Where will I get my Xmas books?

 

 

http://www.find-book.co.uk/

 

[Park Life 71]

Where will I get my Xmas books?

 

 

http://www.find-book.co.uk/

 

 

Good site that.

[LeazesMag 0]

right about what ?

That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet

 

You're obsessed with the US, you think they are the bad guys of the world. You are so, so wrong and naive it's unbelievable.

 

Where have I said the US are the bad boys?

 

Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance.

 

who said I want blissful ignorance ? You have a bee in your bonnet because you think you have a "right to know", but you do not. Confidentiality and "need to know" are necessary in this world. Like it or not, such things exist and they exist for a reason. A reason you clearly don't understand.

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Yeah but they are the bad guys, but so is everybody else.

 

ah, nobody is perfect Parky, indeed. But the west, is infinitely less "evil" and corrupt than other parts of the world, which is how we are able to come on here and say so.....

 

Irony lost on HF, the modern equivalent of the old CND supporters and naive appeasers of old

[Happy Face 29]

right about what ?

That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet

 

You're obsessed with the US, you think they are the bad guys of the world. You are so, so wrong and naive it's unbelievable.

 

Where have I said the US are the bad boys?

 

Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance.

 

who said I want blissful ignorance ? You have a bee in your bonnet because you think you have a "right to know", but you do not. Confidentiality and "need to know" are necessary in this world. Like it or not, such things exist and they exist for a reason. A reason you clearly don't understand.

 

More imaginary arguments

 

I've never said we have a right to know everything.

 

I have no problem with confidentiality whatsoever...when called for.

 

Do you believe confidentiality was imperative for every one of the more than half a million documents wikileaks have released in their 3 recent major dumps?

 

Do you believe governments never make use of confidentiality to cover up wrong doing where there is no national security risk?

[LeazesMag 0]

right about what ?

That this has proven to be the juiciest one yet

 

You're obsessed with the US, you think they are the bad guys of the world. You are so, so wrong and naive it's unbelievable.

 

Where have I said the US are the bad boys?

 

Amazing you can call me naive for wanting to know the facts and wanting a free press that will actually chase them, wheras you seem to want nothing more than blissful ignorance.

 

who said I want blissful ignorance ? You have a bee in your bonnet because you think you have a "right to know", but you do not. Confidentiality and "need to know" are necessary in this world. Like it or not, such things exist and they exist for a reason. A reason you clearly don't understand.

 

More imaginary arguments

 

I've never said we have a right to know everything.

 

I have no problem with confidentiality whatsoever...when called for.

 

Do you believe confidentiality was imperative for every one of the more than half a million documents wikileaks have released in their 3 recent major dumps?

 

Do you believe governments never make use of confidentiality to cover up wrong doing where there is no national security risk?

 

National Security is exactly that. Sadly for you, it isn't up to you to judge such classifications, or when it is "called for". Is this what really irks you ? You ought to try and understand that if you think western governments "hide" information that doesn't necessarily need to be so, the grass most def isn't greener on the other side, that you appear to have such sympathies with.

 

For the record, I despise whistleblowers like this. It isn't up to wikileaks to decide what and what isn't classified information either, he deserves whatever is coming to him for his actions.

[Happy Face 29]

Yeah but they are the bad guys, but so is everybody else.

 

ah, nobody is perfect Parky, indeed. But the west, is infinitely less "evil" and corrupt than other parts of the world, which is how we are able to come on here and say so.....

 

Irony lost on HF, the modern equivalent of the old CND supporters and naive appeasers of old

 

It's not an irony, it's a fact I'm aware of and grateful for......it's a right I think we should protect...rather than banning Wikileaks...and turning into china.

[Happy Face 29]

National Security is exactly that. Sadly for you, it isn't up to you to judge such classifications, or when it is "called for". Is this what really irks you ? You ought to try and understand that if you think western governments "hide" information that doesn't necessarily need to be so, the grass most def isn't greener on the other side, that you appear to have such sympathies with.

 

For the record, I despise whistleblowers like this. It isn't up to wikileaks to decide what and what isn't classified information either, he deserves whatever is coming to him for his actions.

 

What "other side" do you imagine I have more sympathy with like?

 

You're the one endorsing chinese style government suppression of a free press.

Edited December 4, 2010 by Happy Face

[LeazesMag 0]

Yeah but they are the bad guys, but so is everybody else.

 

ah, nobody is perfect Parky, indeed. But the west, is infinitely less "evil" and corrupt than other parts of the world, which is how we are able to come on here and say so.....

 

Irony lost on HF, the modern equivalent of the old CND supporters and naive appeasers of old

 

It's not an irony, it's a fact I'm aware of and grateful for......it's a right I think we should protect...rather than banning Wikileaks...and turning into china.

 

rubbish

[ChezGiven 0]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

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His blind respect for authority is one thing (ie it's a perfectly legitmate arguing position), but the bit where he makes up other posters opinions for them as he goes along gets a bit tedious after a while. Blindness as to what's actually being argued is a bit of a non-starter to say the least.

[Park Life 71]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

 

That's a bit of a strech.

[LeazesMag 0]

His blind respect for authority is one thing (ie it's a perfectly legitmate arguing position), but the bit where he makes up other posters opinions for them as he goes along gets a bit tedious after a while. Blindness as to what's actually being argued is a bit of a non-starter to say the least.

 

and you're making up my opinion for me ?

 

The most tedious thing of all is this obsession with the US and the thinking that we have a "right to know" classified information from within government. There's nothing "blind" about it, its the way it is, and quite right too.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

 

That's a bit of a strech.

 

I don't know. Self interest ? Why not. Who doesn't ?

[Park Life 71]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

 

That's a bit of a strech.

 

I don't know. Self interest ? Why not. Who doesn't ?

 

There's a huge gulf in the abilities of the two parties to enact their strategic footprints clearly.

[Happy Face 29]

His blind respect for authority is one thing (ie it's a perfectly legitmate arguing position), but the bit where he makes up other posters opinions for them as he goes along gets a bit tedious after a while. Blindness as to what's actually being argued is a bit of a non-starter to say the least.

 

and you're making up my opinion for me ?

 

The most tedious thing of all is this obsession with the US and the thinking that we have a "right to know" classified information from within government. There's nothing "blind" about it, its the way it is, and quite right too.

 

Why do you keep quoting "right to know"? Who are you quoting?

 

No-one disagrees that a government is well within it's rights to try to keep information confidential. If, however, the people ordered to keep it confidential believe it's not in the public interest to do so, and they choose to leak it, then they have whistleblower protection rights that should be honoured, and a free press have a duty to print those leaks without government retribution.

 

You're saying people leaking stories should be killed, which is disgusting, and exactly the sort of thing you've said OTHERS should be killed for....you've supported the death sentence (without charge) of an American citizen (Awlaki). The only crime he's accused of is inciting murder on the internet. By your own argument, you could be killed without charge for your dangerous views.

[ChezGiven 0]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

 

That's a bit of a strech.

 

Not really, self-interest is amoral. There is no right and wrong.

[Park Life 71]

Leazes has the sort of old school respect for authority that led lads in the first world war to willingly turn themselves into cannon fodder.

 

The biggest naivety is considering the US a force for anything other than themselves, their own wealth and their own ideals. The wikileaks cables arent that shocking they just show a country relentlessly pursuing self-interest at every turn. Thats fair enough tbh but it makes them no different to a Palestinian trying to get his land back off the jews.

 

That's a bit of a strech.

 

Not really, self-interest is amoral. There is no right and wrong.

 

But he ability to depluy such self interest with regard to economic and military might modulates the behaviour.