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[Renton 22380]

Also interesting to me that amongst the accusation of US warmongering, afaik there has been next to no criticism of China's aggression in the south China sea. I say aggression, but that's slightly understating it. The Chinese are literally building military islands next to the phillipines. No doubt somehow the fault of the US or the Jew's though.

[NJS 4446]

I'll choose just one element from your scattergun of bullshit. Please go on and explain exactly what GLBA did and how it helped destroy America and how it is specifically Clinton's fault.

A lot of the aaa rated shit that caused the sub prime crisis was based on iffy mortgages - imagine Northern Rock on a much larger scale.

 

I'm sure his intention was to help the poor but in typical US style it was via a capitalist path rather than by building public housing.

 

Deregulation of CDSs has nothing to do with good intentions - that was just corrupt neoliberalism.

[Rayvin 5551]

What do you mean no criticism of China? In the MSM? I'll criticise China to anyone who'll listen.

[Renton 22380]

What do you mean no criticism of China? In the MSM? I'll criticise China to anyone who'll listen.

Its in response to parky claiming the US are the main aggressors in the pacific theatre. I disagree.

[Happy Face 29]

X is fine

 

Actually X did this

 

But Y is awful too why haven't you criticised Y?

 

Well you never said Y was fine, it didn't need any correction.

[Park Life 71]

I'll choose just one element from your scattergun of bullshit. Please go on and explain exactly what GLBA did and how it helped destroy America and how it is specifically Clinton's fault.

I suggest you go and read up on it.

[Dr Gloom 22500]

X is fine

 

Actually X did this

 

But Y is awful too why haven't you criticised Y?

 

Well you never said Y was fine, it didn't need any correction.

Your timeline is wrong. These debates usually start with X (the west) being damned by the left, often with good reason, but definitely before we get on to Y and with much greater fervour.

 

I can acknowledge that a lot of the shit "we" do is awful. But often our less democratic counterparts around the world are just as bad if not worse.

[Park Life 71]

Trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff in your posts is near impossible, as is ascertaining how serious you are about certain topics. I do think you make some valid points but then spoil them under a layer of tin foil.

10 years ago when I told you and the other clowns in here that all your digital devices were compromised I was right. Now you and Gloom (the Mork and Mindy of the forum) say well we don't really care....

[Park Life 71]

Its in response to parky claiming the US are the main aggressors in the pacific theatre. I disagree.

You really take the cake. Is you position really that the Pentagon with its billions and access to the finest minds are sitting there playing backgammon? They will have a list of endgames for Russia and China and us and the EU.

[Park Life 71]

What do you mean no criticism of China? In the MSM? I'll criticise China to anyone who'll listen.

You have really been a breath of fresh air the last few weeks.

[ewerk 31558]

I suggest you go and read up on it.

 

I'd suggest that you do the same rather than your usual tactic of copying and pasting and passing it off as evidence for your half-arsed thoughts.

[Meenzer 15829]

I tend to avoid conspiracy theory websites though in favour of the Jewish controlled mainstream media.

 

 

I'll choose just one element from your scattergun of bullshit.

 

[Dr Gloom 22500]

You really take the cake. Is you position really that the Pentagon with its billions and access to the finest minds are sitting there playing backgammon? They will have a list of endgames for Russia and China and us and the EU.

I think your coming from the right place but it's hard to take everything you say seriously because of your penchant for plucking arguments out of thin air.

 

Mork and Mindy?

[Renton 22380]

X is fine

 

Actually X did this

 

But Y is awful too why haven't you criticised Y?

 

Well you never said Y was fine, it didn't need any correction.

I don't need a lecture on logical fallacies or debating techniques from you or Parky.

 

I'm just pointing out some serious double standards which are directly relevant to the discussion, you can't criticise US policy in isolation after all.

 

I still don't get the hatred for either Clinton. When I ask for specific, serious issues with the former president all I'm presented with is second hand word soup of dubious origin.

[ewerk 31558]

A lot of the aaa rated shit that caused the sub prime crisis was based on iffy mortgages - imagine Northern Rock on a much larger scale.

 

I'm sure his intention was to help the poor but in typical US style it was via a capitalist path rather than by building public housing.

 

Deregulation of CDSs has nothing to do with good intentions - that was just corrupt neoliberalism.

 

I certainly wouldn't argue with any of that. I'm just keen to find out what Parky thinks GLBA has to do with CDSs and the sub-prime mortgage industry.

[Renton 22380]

You have really been a breath of fresh air the last few weeks.

Ha ha ha.

 

Rayvin seduced by the park side.

[Park Life 71]

I'm aware that Obama considered an attack after the line in the sand thing but bottled it and that Hillary was for intervening when she was Secretary of State.

 

Still don't see any credible sources for the other claims - that the chemical weapons attack wasn't committed by Assad, that there was to be mass US-led regime change in the Middle East in order to ringfence Russia and China with a missle system and now that Bill Clinton was a massive coke head while in the White House. Getting a strong whiff of horse shit here mate, sorry.

 

Do you think the American people would have had an appetite for that after their disasterous recent interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan? They're not exactly clamouring to send more troops abroad.

 

And by the way, I'm informed by more than a ten minute daily browse of the guardian ffs. I tend to avoid conspiracy theory websites though in favour of the Jewish controlled mainstream media.

 

The one thing I agree with you on is parliament getting it right by not intervening in Syria, which is basically Iraq 2, an absolute mess and tragedy, though this time the blame lies more with the Russians than the yanks.

Obama’s change of mind [weakening his ardor against Assad] had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the joint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syria’s infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack."

 

In the war to depose Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, the linchpin event is the chemical-weapons attack last Aug. 21. We are invited — required, actually — to believe Assad allowed U.N. inspectors in to determine responsibility for previous gas attacks and then launched another attack near Damascus while the inspectors were settled in their hotel rooms."

 

Assad knowing the West was itching to get into Syria big time was just carrying out random gas attacks here and there....Think for a minute yeah?

Edited October 18, 2016 by Park Life

[Park Life 71]

I certainly wouldn't argue with any of that. I'm just keen to find out what Parky thinks GLBA has to do with CDSs and the sub-prime mortgage industry.

I pointed out a basket of things not one.

[Park Life 71]

I'd suggest that you do the same rather than your usual tactic of copying and pasting and passing it off as evidence for your half-arsed thoughts.

Your letter of complaints should be directed at the Washington Post, Time magazine and the Economist.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Park Life

[Park Life 71]

Ha ha ha.

 

Rayvin seduced by the park side.

Gloom is in my pocket now as well. Note how careful he is about Israel.

[Renton 22380]

Obama’s change of mind [weakening his ardor against Assad] had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the joint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syria’s infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack."

 

 

Let's take this text of unknown origin at face value. It suggests that Obama correctly changed his policy in Syria as a direct result of new military intelligence. I would have thought this was appropriate. I'll ignore the obviously made up speculation that you followed this up with.

[Happy Face 29]

I don't need a lecture on logical fallacies or debating techniques from you or Parky.

 

I'm just pointing out some serious double standards which are directly relevant to the discussion, you can't criticise US policy in isolation after all.

 

I still don't get the hatred for either Clinton. When I ask for specific, serious issues with the former president all I'm presented with is second hand word soup of dubious origin.

You igniored my specific examples of policy that harmed bill Clinton's legacy and that of his wife.

 

If you put your blinkers on to the genuine causes of opposition to Hillary and centrist policy and prefer to express incredulity about it, then you will see the popularity of Sanders and Trump (and Corbyn and Ukip etc) grow.

[Dr Gloom 22500]

Obama’s change of mind [weakening his ardor against Assad] had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the joint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syria’s infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack."

 

In the war to depose Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, the linchpin event is the chemical-weapons attack last Aug. 21. We are invited — required, actually — to believe Assad allowed U.N. inspectors in to determine responsibility for previous gas attacks and then launched another attack near Damascus while the inspectors were settled in their hotel rooms."

 

Assad knowing the West was itching to get into Syria big time was just carrying out random gas attacks here and there....Think for a minute yeah?

Source?

 

And by only defending the one point, can we assume that your claims of the US policy goal of widespread regime change in the Middle East and a new first strike missile ring fence around Russia and China is conjecture?

[ewerk 31558]

I read it but didn't understand it.

 

 

FYP.

[Park Life 71]

FYP.