Rob W 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Should UK politicians go and explain to the Yanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Should UK politicians go and explain to the Yanks? explain what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 why we let a mass murderer out of prison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 surely this isn't Rob advocating we should keep him banged up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gordon McKeag Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Two threads off this stupid cunt today, no explanation or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Doesn't really need much explaining as far as I can see. Set a mass murderer free under the guise of being at death's door and we'll do you a deal for oil. Oh, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4669 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Regardless of the facts, we don't have to explain this countries decision to America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 that was the question really - do we have to kow-tow to the US Senate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 Two threads off this stupid cunt today, no explanation or nothing. you are truly as useful as your namesake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 No they shouldn't. He was tried under Scots law and it was our decision to let him out (I'm not convinced it was him anyway). I understand why they're upset but fuck'em. The BP conspiracy theory has only came about because of the currently anti-BP sentiment in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16992 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Theres a school of thought that think this man wasnt guilty anyway.... Lockerbie bombing: victim's father to sue The leading campaigner for justice over the Lockerbie tragedy, Dr Jim Swire, is planning a ground-beaking legal action more than 20 years after the terrorist attack that claimed 270 lives. By By Andrew Alderson, Chief Reporter Published: 9:00PM BST 15 Aug 2009 Dr Swire, 73, a spokesman for the relatives of the victims, is convinced that Megrahi was wrongly convicted Photo: PA Dr Swire, whose daughter Flora, 24, died in the attack, is preparing to sue the Scottish prosecution service because he is convinced it deliberately blocked attempts to bring his daughter's "real" killers to court. He is planning the action under human rights legislation just three days after it was disclosed that the only man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing is likely to be released later this month. Dr Swire, 73, a spokesman for the relatives of the victims, is convinced that Megrahi was wrongly convicted. His supporters claim that international politics prevented the truth from being uncovered during the investigation into the mid-air explosion which caused the deaths of 259 people on board Pan Am Flight 103 and a further 11 on the ground. Dr Swire has told of his determination to bring his daughter's killers to justice in a letter sent to Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary, in which he is critical of the Crown Office, which is responsible for criminal prosecutions in Scotland. In the letter, he highlights the fact that evidence from a Heathrow security guard was suppressed for more than 12 years and did not figure at Megrahi's trial in 2000 and 2001. The guard revealed that Pan Am's baggage area at Heathrow was broken into 17 hours before Flight 103 took off from the airport for New York. Dr Swire believes that this was probably when the bomb was planted, not much earlier on a flight from Malta. In his letter, sent on Aug 10, Dr Swire says that he is now "reluctantly" looking at two projects: - "To take action against the Crown Office under Human Rights legislation, since I now believe that the Crown Office has deliberately obstructed my rights to know who killed my daughter and why she was not protected, and continues to do so," and - "To seek annulment of the findings of the Lockerbie Fatal Accident Inquiry [of 1990] on grounds of withholding of evidence about Heathrow, and then to seek a new FAI or legitimate equivalent in its place." Critics of Megrahi's conviction have long believed that the Libyan was the victim of a US-led conspiracy to "frame" the country and its ruler, Col Muammar Gaddafi, for the bombing on Dec 21, 1988, when the plane exploded over the Scottish town of Lockerbie less than 40 minutes after take-off. Many, including Dr Swire, now believe that the most likely to group to have carried out the bombing was the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command (PFLP-GC). At the time, the group was headed by Ahmed Jibril, a former Syrian Army captain, who was based in Damascus and funded by Iran. Dr Swire suspects Iran was seeking revenge for the shooting-down of Iran Air Flight 655, with the loss of 290 lives, by the USS Vincennes in July 1988 – just five months before Lockerbie. Iran did not accept the US's claim that the incident was a mistake. Dr Swire believes the families of the victims have been "pawns in a political scenario that had nothing to do with truth". He added: "The Heathrow break-in would have been the perfect scenario for the Syrian-backed PFLP-GC to put one of its bombs on the aircraft." The grieving father also suspects that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, now the anti-Western president of Iran but then reportedly an ambitious figure in Iran's Republican Guard, may have been involved in Lockerbie. Another suspect is Abu Talb, a Palestinian later arrested and jailed in Sweden for terrorist bombings: he had circled the date of December 21 1988 in a calendar found at his flat. Other relatives, particularly those in the US seeking "closure" over the tragedy, still think the right man was convicted and want Megrahi to die in jail. The Libyan was convicted by a Scottish court sitting in the Netherlands. Another suspect was acquitted. Critics say the evidence against Megrahi was, at best, circumstantial, and, at worst, flimsy. His lawyers have dismissed the evidence of Tony Gauci, a Maltese shopkeeper and the key prosecution witness. He said he had sold clothes to Megrahi which had supposedly been in the suitcase that contained the bomb. But it later emerged that Mr Gauci had seen a photograph of the suspect in a magazine linking him to the bombing. Other witnesses, it is alleged, were paid or offered money to give damaging evidence against the Libyan. Professor Robert Black QC, the architect of the original trial and a leading academic lawyer, also believes that Megrahi was convicted on "very, very weak circumstantial" evidence. Pierre Salinger, the former ABC News correspondent and a press spokesman for President Kennedy, believed, until his death in 2004, that Iran and Syria carried out the atrocity. He alleged a cover-up by the United States and Britain. In 2003, Ahmed Own, Libya's ambassador to the United Nations, submitted a letter to the Security Council in which Libya accepted "responsibility for the actions of its officials" regarding the bombing. Yet the following year, Sukri Ghanem, the Libyan Prime Minister, insisted the compensation payment was the "price of peace" with the West and was simply designed to remove sanctions Lawyers for Megrahi had launched a second appeal over his conviction – the first was unsuccessful – but it was revealed on Friday that the convicted killer has now applied to abandon this action. His supporters are optimistic he will be freed within days because of his serious illness. The Crown Office insists the conviction is safe and that no decision on his release has yet been taken by the Scottish Justice Secretary. Paul McBride, a QC who advises the Tory party on law and order, said the Scottish Justice Secretary should resign over his handling of the case. Mr McBride insisted that Mr MacAskill should have recalled Parliament to discuss the matter. The QC described the manner in which Megrahi’s possible release was being discussed as “beyond shameful”. Don't know if the Doctor is a sad old conspiracy theorist or not but but I think theres a lot more to this affair than meets the eye. In view of this, maybe the Senate commitee should stop being such a bunch of posturing drama queens and instead try to tell the truth about what really happened and why Gadaffi was basically implicated in the first place and then, when it was conveniant, brought in from the cold.But the US (and former UK based multi national oil corporations) may well regard something like this as inconveniant, telling the truth to bereaved relatives in the US and the UK and all that, when there are tyrants who could be fingered and money to be made on the side of it. In any case, the Scottish justice system was seemingly good enough to secure a very dodgy conviction in the first place but as soon as they make a decision (suppported by independant medical evidence that has been supplied to the Senate) that the US doesn't agree with they suddenly have to answer for it in full US public view. I don't think they are entitled to have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Ask them what happened to the Commander of the ship which shot down an Iranian passenger aircraft a few months earlier which is apparently why this was done in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 probably promotion and a medal knowing the yanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 probably promotion and a medal knowing the yanks You are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44109 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 They should fuck off with all this demanding that people go over and explain themselves. I mean I don't think they should have let him out, but they think they can just call whoever they like into the headmaster's office for a bit of a chewing. And it's all for the cameras. George Galloway is a bellend, but I thought it was canny funny when he went over and gave them a bit of a verbal shoeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 Agreed! they weren't used to the rough end of politics that was clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Have the US sent a senator over here to explain what happened to the Tipton Three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 They can have Alex Salmond if we can have all the cunts from Boston and New York who have funded the IRA for all those years. Its not like they haven't done any dirty deals have they? Augusto Pinocet, the Contras, Patrice Lumumba, George W. Bush's grandad and the Nazis................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Typical hypocrisy from the US. Glad we've told them to fuck off tbh. This is more about the mid-term elections than 'justice'. I don't think he did it anyway, although that's a whole different can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gordon McKeag Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 They can have Alex Salmond if we can have all the cunts from Boston and New York who have funded the IRA for all those years. Its not like they haven't done any dirty deals have they? Augusto Pinocet, the Contras, Patrice Lumumba, George W. Bush's grandad and the Nazis................. Exactly not to mention McDonald's supporting the IRA too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 They can have Alex Salmond if we can have all the cunts from Boston and New York who have funded the IRA for all those years. Its not like they haven't done any dirty deals have they? Augusto Pinocet, the Contras, Patrice Lumumba, George W. Bush's grandad and the Nazis................. Exactly not to mention McDonald's supporting the IRA too. Turned out to be an urban myth that one I think. Individual Retirement Account deduction or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Ronald McDonald does beat kids though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 They can have Alex Salmond if we can have all the cunts from Boston and New York who have funded the IRA for all those years. Its not like they haven't done any dirty deals have they? Augusto Pinocet, the Contras, Patrice Lumumba, George W. Bush's grandad and the Nazis................. spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 They can have Alex Salmond if we can have all the cunts from Boston and New York who have funded the IRA for all those years. Its not like they haven't done any dirty deals have they? Augusto Pinocet, the Contras, Patrice Lumumba, George W. Bush's grandad and the Nazis................. So essentially we just need to "have" Thatcher, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kockhead 0 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) If the scots want to cause war with the yanks I think its time to let them go. Oil the only reason this not done years ago. The fella who released a mass murderer that killed loads of yanks most of been pissed on whiskey. Did he not know USA most powerful country in the world the soft piece of shit. Send him to USA to explain his actions then let Scotland be there own country. Nothing against the Scottish people but SNP punching above their weight. Edited July 26, 2010 by kophead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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