The Secret Diary of Lee Ryder (aged 44 and a half)

[Guest Your Name Here]

Its not clear or conclusive but the wording in the accounts suggests a payment was made to SD from NUFC in relation to 'marketing' in 2008. Not sure if that payment is repeated.

 

We'd need a breakdown of the sponsorship 'line' from the accounts. We can see trends in it but not changes in individual components. Also, if the space was not used commercially before (ie the back of a seat, it would be difficult to work out even when broken down).

 

From 2009.

'During the current and prior year, advertising and promotional services were provided to companies associated with Mr M J W Ashley, the ultimate shareholder of the company’s ultimate parent undertaking, MASH Holdings Limited. No consideration was paid or payable for these services.'

I think this is the issue that cuts to the heart of the matter. Not because I loathe having the ground smothered in tacky shit but because it tells us whether or not FMA is running the club for its own benefit.. or exploiting it. If it’s the former how well he’s doing is open to debate. If it’s the latter then we need to run him out of town asap.

 

On another note, why does Ryder only have these web chats when most people are at work?

Edited September 5, 2011 by Your Name Here

[LoveTheBobby 1]

I think (should anyone have the inclination) you can read it back anyway once its finished.

 

Better off poking your anus with a twig then sniffing it though .

[Tooj 17]

1:45 [Comment From LeeLee: ]

Why do you put positive spin on everything, contrary to the feelings amongst fans? For example "Pardew will not walk away and is not a quitter" is just positive spin for "yes man" (as we all feared upon appointment)?

 

1:47 Lee Ryder: Hi Lee. In a nutshell, I don't. There were critical articles in the aftermath of the transfer deadline and also on Blog On The Tyne which has always done so in the last five years. As chief sports writer, the role also includes general reporting and generally, Pardew and the players will try to be positive, we can only report what they say from that sense. I don't think Pardew is a "yes man" and the days of managers like Clough and Ferguson ruling football clubs are out of date. Clubs are ran as a business now with business logic wrongly sometimes coming before football logic.

Ferguson still does it man.

[Guest Your Name Here]

Pardew is understood to be “devastated” by United’s lack of progress in the window on the centre-forward front but, despite his disappointment, the Toon boss quickly demonstrated his man-management abilities by reminding his troops of their responsibility to the fans, and that there was precious little the players could do about boardroom matters.

He’s master of this man management stuff is Pardew... hey lads I know I said we were getting a new striker 100% but I want you ignore the fact nothing I say counts for anything and play your hearts for the Geordie Nation so when contract renewal time comes around we can sell you at a profit. Grrrrrr.

 

Pardew and his backroom team were rewarded with a sprightly training session on Thursday, with a siege mentality set to drive the Magpies forward between now and January

He’s a master of this journalism stuff is Lee, never uses a cliché and clairvoyant too boot. In his webcast bollox he predicted that Simpson wouldn’t be sold before January.... genius.

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-u...-name_page.html

[ChezGiven 0]

Its not clear or conclusive but the wording in the accounts suggests a payment was made to SD from NUFC in relation to 'marketing' in 2008. Not sure if that payment is repeated.

 

We'd need a breakdown of the sponsorship 'line' from the accounts. We can see trends in it but not changes in individual components. Also, if the space was not used commercially before (ie the back of a seat, it would be difficult to work out even when broken down).

 

From 2009.

'During the current and prior year, advertising and promotional services were provided to companies associated with Mr M J W Ashley, the ultimate shareholder of the company’s ultimate parent undertaking, MASH Holdings Limited. No consideration was paid or payable for these services.'

I think this is the issue that cuts to the heart of the matter. Not because I loathe having the ground smothered in tacky shit but because it tells us whether or not FMA is running the club for its own benefit.. or exploiting it. If it’s the former how well he’s doing is open to debate. If it’s the latter then we need to run him out of town asap.

 

On another note, why does Ryder only have these web chats when most people are at work?

If it was shown that he is not charging SD for it then it would clearly show NUFC's interests are secondary to SD's. To make a judgement on it seriousness would require knowing amounts paid previously, the market rate for the space etc. Its not renaming the stadium but just physical advertising space. With a total commercial budget including all advertising, shirt sponsorship and corporate income etc of £16 to £20m, it cant be that much. If we are losing £2m a year in income for example, am sure they would argue back that £150m of interest free debt is worth a lot more than that. The more he is using space previously not used by branding the less its a loss to NUFC, just a gain to SD.

[Guest Your Name Here]

Its not clear or conclusive but the wording in the accounts suggests a payment was made to SD from NUFC in relation to 'marketing' in 2008. Not sure if that payment is repeated.

 

We'd need a breakdown of the sponsorship 'line' from the accounts. We can see trends in it but not changes in individual components. Also, if the space was not used commercially before (ie the back of a seat, it would be difficult to work out even when broken down).

 

From 2009.

'During the current and prior year, advertising and promotional services were provided to companies associated with Mr M J W Ashley, the ultimate shareholder of the company’s ultimate parent undertaking, MASH Holdings Limited. No consideration was paid or payable for these services.'

I think this is the issue that cuts to the heart of the matter. Not because I loathe having the ground smothered in tacky shit but because it tells us whether or not FMA is running the club for its own benefit.. or exploiting it. If it’s the former how well he’s doing is open to debate. If it’s the latter then we need to run him out of town asap.

 

On another note, why does Ryder only have these web chats when most people are at work?

If it was shown that he is not charging SD for it then it would clearly show NUFC's interests are secondary to SD's. To make a judgement on it seriousness would require knowing amounts paid previously, the market rate for the space etc. Its not renaming the stadium but just physical advertising space. With a total commercial budget including all advertising, shirt sponsorship and corporate income etc of £16 to £20m, it cant be that much. If we are losing £2m a year in income for example, am sure they would argue back that £150m of interest free debt is worth a lot more than that. The more he is using space previously not used by branding the less its a loss to NUFC, just a gain to SD.

The difference being that income from sponsorship doesn’t have to be repaid, whereas in principle a loan does.

 

At a time when the escalators are being shut down to save money depriving the club of £2m a season can’t be dismissed as insignificant. Also £8m of lost income over four years could have paid the transfer fee for a decent striker.

 

As I said in another thread the next set of published accounts will be the start of the end for one side of the not so great FMA debate.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Your Name Here

[Christmas Tree 4821]

In what way will the accounts effect either side?

 

If the debt is being reduced some would argue that it makes the club more saleable down the line.

 

If he has turned the club around to profit yet not taken money out for himself some would applaud?

 

His aim was to make the club break even by 2015 so if he is managing to do that now, allowing for a certain 30 million, then he would get credit.

 

Not sure the next set of accounts will do anything other than back his business model.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

Just a bit of character reference - provided by his wife here - ahead of "the answers"

 

"Indeed Llambias, was told on a liquor licensing course that "If a drunken man is kicking off, call for a woman to deal with it, as it is easier for a woman to diffuse the situation." She added that when she was a joint director of the Aladdin casino in Las Vegas, "Any sign of trouble and my husband always used to send me in!"

 

http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/articl...ng-women-158523

[Ayatollah Hermione 14045]

Surprised he didn't wade in, call everyone a cunt and then play the old "Can't hit a bloke with glasses" trick.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

Surprised he didn't wade in, call everyone a cunt and then play the old "Can't hit a bloke with glasses" trick.

 

. . . which reminds me . . .

 

[Kitman 2207]

In what way will the accounts effect either side?

 

If the debt is being reduced some would argue that it makes the club more saleable down the line.

 

If he has turned the club around to profit yet not taken money out for himself some would applaud?

 

His aim was to make the club break even by 2015 so if he is managing to do that now, allowing for a certain 30 million, then he would get credit.

 

Not sure the next set of accounts will do anything other than back his business model.

 

It might provide some clues as to what he's up to, and whether he's lied about the Carroll money staying in the club. Not everyone gets a hard on about the club making a profit or whatever, what's the point of making money if it doesn't benefit the club?

 

The sooner the fat waste of space goes, the better imo.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

In what way will the accounts effect either side?

 

If the debt is being reduced some would argue that it makes the club more saleable down the line.

 

If he has turned the club around to profit yet not taken money out for himself some would applaud?

 

His aim was to make the club break even by 2015 so if he is managing to do that now, allowing for a certain 30 million, then he would get credit.

 

Not sure the next set of accounts will do anything other than back his business model.

 

It might provide some clues as to what he's up to, and whether he's lied about the Carroll money staying in the club. Not everyone gets a hard on about the club making a profit or whatever, what's the point of making money if it doesn't benefit the club?

 

The sooner the fat waste of space goes, the better imo.

 

Depends who you get. I would take Ashleys deep pickets and frugal plan any day over a Barry moat type fan with a plan but no cash.

 

Just got to hope that there are other big players out there who will come and buy a big club.

[Kitman 2207]

In what way will the accounts effect either side?

 

If the debt is being reduced some would argue that it makes the club more saleable down the line.

 

If he has turned the club around to profit yet not taken money out for himself some would applaud?

 

His aim was to make the club break even by 2015 so if he is managing to do that now, allowing for a certain 30 million, then he would get credit.

 

Not sure the next set of accounts will do anything other than back his business model.

 

It might provide some clues as to what he's up to, and whether he's lied about the Carroll money staying in the club. Not everyone gets a hard on about the club making a profit or whatever, what's the point of making money if it doesn't benefit the club?

 

The sooner the fat waste of space goes, the better imo.

 

Depends who you get. I would take Ashleys deep pickets and frugal plan any day over a Barry moat type fan with a plan but no cash.

 

Just got to hope that there are other big players out there who will come and buy a big club.

 

Dunno why you have to compare him with the worst possible option. Not very positive of you frankly

[Christmas Tree 4821]

Just basically saying there are a lot worse positions to be in.

 

Even the likes of Ellis and randy Lerner iirc are lending their clubs interest bearing loans.

 

Then you have the likes of Everton.

 

Just basically highlighting that the days when your local multi millionaire could buy us and make a difference are gone.

 

It's all big bucks / conglomerates with their own agendas.

 

When ever we jump out of this frying pan it will probably be into a fire.

[OTF 7485]

In what way will the accounts effect either side?

 

If the debt is being reduced some would argue that it makes the club more saleable down the line.

 

If he has turned the club around to profit yet not taken money out for himself some would applaud?

 

His aim was to make the club break even by 2015 so if he is managing to do that now, allowing for a certain 30 million, then he would get credit.

 

Not sure the next set of accounts will do anything other than back his business model.

 

Would you say that the profile of the club has improved or declined since Ashley took control?

[Christmas Tree 4821]

The image of the club sunk without a trace for us Newcastle fans but let's not forget that we were already pretty viewed as a joke circus of a club by those outside the region hence a lot of the vitriol when we went down.

 

But yes it plummeted during the JFK period but has massively increased following our championship season, promotion and on field performances last season.

 

I dare say it will increase again if we turn out to be one of the few clubs actually making money.

 

It really though depends on who you are trying to impress.

 

Bankers, fans, the media etc.

 

I think someone looking from the outside might look at the harsh realities of life outside the top four and pretty much say we are doing all the right things other than securing this striker.

 

The family section, (making football affordable), the ten year prize freeze and the signing of players like Cabaye etc have all been viewed as positives in the football community.

 

IMO we just need a bit more stability and a bit more money finding it's way to the front line and we will be doing okay.

 

I can't see many clubs outside the top four doing things better than us.

[Kitman 2207]

Just basically saying there are a lot worse positions to be in.

 

Even the likes of Ellis and randy Lerner iirc are lending their clubs interest bearing loans.

 

Then you have the likes of Everton.

 

Just basically highlighting that the days when your local multi millionaire could buy us and make a difference are gone.

 

It's all big bucks / conglomerates with their own agendas.

 

When ever we jump out of this frying pan it will probably be into a fire.

 

You're highlighting the worst possible outcome in a 'better the devil you know' kind of way. I'm just waiting for you to say 'be careful what you wish for'. It's pish frankly. We've as much chance of getting a better owner as a worse one. I'm sick of this fat prick.

 

[OTF 7485]

The image of the club sunk without a trace for us Newcastle fans but let's not forget that we were already pretty viewed as a joke circus of a club by those outside the region hence a lot of the vitriol when we went down.

 

But yes it plummeted during the JFK period but has massively increased following our championship season, promotion and on field performances last season.

 

I dare say it will increase again if we turn out to be one of the few clubs actually making money.

 

It really though depends on who you are trying to impress.

 

Bankers, fans, the media etc.

 

I think someone looking from the outside might look at the harsh realities of life outside the top four and pretty much say we are doing all the right things other than securing this striker.

 

The family section, (making football affordable), the ten year prize freeze and the signing of players like Cabaye etc have all been viewed as positives in the football community.

 

IMO we just need a bit more stability and a bit more money finding it's way to the front line and we will be doing okay.

 

I can't see many clubs outside the top four doing things better than us.

 

We've gone from being Barnum and Bailey to some cheap and nasty low-rent circus that hauls its way into small towns on the back of a couple of old trucks and struggles to attract any attention.

 

It hasn't really improved since our promotion, the damage was done and precious little has been done to even mildly reduce it. In the Championship at least we were the big fish in a small pond. Now we're just another bottom feeder in the ocean. The media scarcely care about Newcastle any more and that's testament to the decline in the profile on the national and international scale, where at the same time it's the increase in this profile for other clubs that have helped them to push on.

[OTF 7485]

the ten year prize freeze

 

Are they guaranteeing now that we won't win anything for the next ten years (promotion from a lower league obviously exempted).

[Christmas Tree 4821]

Just basically saying there are a lot worse positions to be in.

 

Even the likes of Ellis and randy Lerner iirc are lending their clubs interest bearing loans.

 

Then you have the likes of Everton.

 

Just basically highlighting that the days when your local multi millionaire could buy us and make a difference are gone.

 

It's all big bucks / conglomerates with their own agendas.

 

When ever we jump out of this frying pan it will probably be into a fire.

 

You're highlighting the worst possible outcome in a 'better the devil you know' kind of way. I'm just waiting for you to say 'be careful what you wish for'. It's pish frankly. We've as much chance of getting a better owner as a worse one. I'm sick of this fat prick.

 

 

I hope we do get a better one Im just very aware that the days of owners coming in because they love the club etc etc are gone.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

The image of the club sunk without a trace for us Newcastle fans but let's not forget that we were already pretty viewed as a joke circus of a club by those outside the region hence a lot of the vitriol when we went down.

 

But yes it plummeted during the JFK period but has massively increased following our championship season, promotion and on field performances last season.

 

I dare say it will increase again if we turn out to be one of the few clubs actually making money.

 

It really though depends on who you are trying to impress.

 

Bankers, fans, the media etc.

 

I think someone looking from the outside might look at the harsh realities of life outside the top four and pretty much say we are doing all the right things other than securing this striker.

 

The family section, (making football affordable), the ten year prize freeze and the signing of players like Cabaye etc have all been viewed as positives in the football community.

 

IMO we just need a bit more stability and a bit more money finding it's way to the front line and we will be doing okay.

 

I can't see many clubs outside the top four doing things better than us.

 

We've gone from being Barnum and Bailey to some cheap and nasty low-rent circus that hauls its way into small towns on the back of a couple of old trucks and struggles to attract any attention.

 

It hasn't really improved since our promotion, the damage was done and precious little has been done to even mildly reduce it. In the Championship at least we were the big fish in a small pond. Now we're just another bottom feeder in the ocean. The media scarcely care about Newcastle any more and that's testament to the decline in the profile on the national and international scale, where at the same time it's the increase in this profile for other clubs that have helped them to push on.

 

Dont agree with that and not sure which clubs you refer to that have "pushed on" due to an increased profile????

 

The media love Newcastle and whenever anything important happens to do with us they are all over it.

 

I know a lot wont agree but I also think Pardew is improving our profile. The journos all love him and he does convey himself fairly well on TV and that Smile.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

the ten year prize freeze

 

Are they guaranteeing now that we won't win anything for the next ten years (promotion from a lower league obviously exempted).

 

[McFaul 35]

Surprised he didn't wade in, call everyone a cunt and then play the old "Can't hit a bloke with glasses" trick.

 

. . . which reminds me . . .

 

Amazing how things get misreported the rumour was after the game Llambias was drinking freely with toon fans.

[Guest alex]

the ten year prize freeze

 

Are they guaranteeing now that we won't win anything for the next ten years (promotion from a lower league obviously exempted).

[Christmas Tree 4821]

Be Careful all.

 

Local man honoured for pointing out vague inaccuracy in online article

 

http://www.thenewsgrind.com/local-man/loca...Cvsmw84.twitter