Ashley will recoup big bucks next season................IF

[accadacca 0]

his reported plan of action is real. The season after will be a different story tho' if relegation happens.

 

Before those who support MA come flying in to have a go, I fully accept that before he took over, NUFC were in a hell of a state.

 

I fully accept he has spent a good deal of his fortune on the club and got little in return - the reported losses for the season just gone and the season before, on top of the other losses and the amount he paid have undoubtedly led to him trying to pull up the drawbridge. BUT, given the amount of profit the club will make this season, surely he can allocate just £10m to strengthening ?

 

Just doodling with figures - turnover will be around £80m made up of £35m definite from Sky. £30m from the gate - 45,000 s/t @ average of £500 plus footfall of 7000 paying ave of £30 per game for 19 games. Sponsorship £5m. Corporate - 100 boxes @£30k a pop for the season = £3m. Shirt sales 50,000 x £35 = £2m. Programmes 475,000 {25000 per game } x £3 = £1.5m. Booze and food sales for 19 games = £4m.

 

Less player wages - current recognised 20 1st team pros = £25m

Other players, coaching staff and admin staff/matchday stewards/groundstaff etc = £5m

Cost of supplying booze/food/programmes/shirts say 20% of estimate = £1.5

Rates/utilities/Insurances etc etc = say £5m tops

Plenty of other minor things to take in to account of course but the profit should be in the region of £25/30m !

 

Anyone think estimates are too high/too low ?

[ewerk 31313]

[LeazesMag 0]

his reported plan of action is real. The season after will be a different story tho' if relegation happens.

 

Before those who support MA come flying in to have a go, I fully accept that before he took over, NUFC were in a hell of a state.

 

I fully accept he has spent a good deal of his fortune on the club and got little in return - the reported losses for the season just gone and the season before, on top of the other losses and the amount he paid have undoubtedly led to him trying to pull up the drawbridge. BUT, given the amount of profit the club will make this season, surely he can allocate just £10m to strengthening ?

 

Just doodling with figures - turnover will be around £80m made up of £35m definite from Sky. £30m from the gate - 45,000 s/t @ average of £500 plus footfall of 7000 paying ave of £30 per game for 19 games. Sponsorship £5m. Corporate - 100 boxes @£30k a pop for the season = £3m. Shirt sales 50,000 x £35 = £2m. Programmes 475,000 {25000 per game } x £3 = £1.5m. Booze and food sales for 19 games = £4m.

 

Less player wages - current recognised 20 1st team pros = £25m

Other players, coaching staff and admin staff/matchday stewards/groundstaff etc = £5m

Cost of supplying booze/food/programmes/shirts say 20% of estimate = £1.5

Rates/utilities/Insurances etc etc = say £5m tops

Plenty of other minor things to take in to account of course but the profit should be in the region of £25/30m !

 

Anyone think estimates are too high/too low ?

 

 

not again.

[Guest The Three Lions]

shut up ya daft cunt.

[The Fish 11020]

Your estimated income is too high, your estimated outgoings are too low and your estimation of Ashley is fantasy

[Matt 0]

Colo, Smith, Barton and Xisco cost us around £15m a year all-in, so I would say your wages estimate is very optimistic.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

BORRRRRRRRR-RING!!!

[Gejon 2]

Colo, Smith, Barton and Xisco cost us around £15m a year all-in, so I would say your wages estimate is very optimistic.

 

Couldn't be arsed to look at the figures, have now

[ewerk 31313]

Fag packet accounting at its finest.

[Park Life 71]

Works for Northern Rock.

[peasepud 59]

Fucking hell, I especially enjoyed the food and booze estimation.

 

Every single person in the ground at every single game will spend an average of £4.05 per match on food and drink!!!

 

Admittedly thats a coffee and mars bar but still

[Ugly Mackems 134]

He'd only need to go to the official website and see how ST sales have slumped and thanks to Mr Ashleys infamous 'no capitol outlay' statement he's guaranteed that sales will be poor.

[JawD 99]

Plus a lot of people are are the third year of their three year ticket. Many of these will have paid up front fully so the income has already been and gone.

[peasepud 59]

Plus a lot of people are are the third year of their three year ticket. Many of these will have paid up front fully so the income has already been and gone.

 

eggsfuckinsactly.

 

 

Sad that I am Ive worked this out based on 2009/10 prices (couldnt find anything for 2010/11). Into it Ive added my own view on the numbers sold but I have used quite sensible maths in the rest using the following assumptions.

• In the bars (Platinum, 1892 and Sports) then the split is 70% adult, 30% OAP.
  
• In the standard areas its 60% adult, 20% OAP and 20% Junior.
  
• Family enclosure, 45% adult, 55% Junior
  
• Where ST sales have dropped then theyve dropped across the board and across the sections/ bars.
  

Season ticket sales, Im estimating that these will drop in total to 35k, if you then knock the 6k off that are 3 year you get around 29k (rounded this upto the extra on the actual 45k value therefore 29,751 STs sold this year at an average price of £450.96 = £13,416,448.27

 

Footfall - I reckon these will start at around 11k but drop due to weather, results and opposition to approx 6k therefore I think an average of 8k per game is realistic. For the average price Ive taken the ST price and added 20% on then divided by the 19 games and then applied it across the Adult, OAP and Junior numbers. Giving an average price per game of £34.40. This gives a total of £4,509,578.93

 

So I think that the total income from ticket sales is more likely to be £17,926,027 or rounded to £18m which is £12m short of your estimation.

 

I dont think we actually have 100 corporate boxes, Id guess 80 and last season about 20% of them were empty, with cutbacks etc Id estimate that we'll sell about 50 so if your view of £30k per box is right then thats £1.5m

25k programmes per game? you're having a laugh arent you? Id guess somewhere between 5 and 10k so lets say 8k.

As for booze and food, make that £1m if you're lucky.

 

Outgoings:

Player wages are still supposed to be around the £40m mark not £25 as youve wildly quoted.

I'll go with your views on the cost of other staff, booze etc (because I havent got a clue on that) so thats £11.5m

 

All in all, Im guessing you're about £32m overestimating there.

[Matt 0]

Plus a lot of people are are the third year of their three year ticket. Many of these will have paid up front fully so the income has already been and gone.

 

Na, it will still be there as although paid upfront, the income is earned next season so will count towards the bottom line. Cash long gone though.

[LeazesMag 0]

what's the general consensus among the whizz kids on NO about this ? I can't be arsed to read it anymore

[Gejon 2]

About what? Some "whizz kid" on Toontastic pulling some figures out of his arse? Don't think there is much of a consensus

[accadacca 0]

Plus a lot of people are are the third year of their three year ticket. Many of these will have paid up front fully so the income has already been and gone.

 

eggsfuckinsactly.

 

 

Sad that I am Ive worked this out based on 2009/10 prices (couldnt find anything for 2010/11). Into it Ive added my own view on the numbers sold but I have used quite sensible maths in the rest using the following assumptions.

• In the bars (Platinum, 1892 and Sports) then the split is 70% adult, 30% OAP.
  
• In the standard areas its 60% adult, 20% OAP and 20% Junior.
  
• Family enclosure, 45% adult, 55% Junior
  
• Where ST sales have dropped then theyve dropped across the board and across the sections/ bars.
  

Season ticket sales, Im estimating that these will drop in total to 35k, if you then knock the 6k off that are 3 year you get around 29k (rounded this upto the extra on the actual 45k value therefore 29,751 STs sold this year at an average price of £450.96 = £13,416,448.27

 

Footfall - I reckon these will start at around 11k but drop due to weather, results and opposition to approx 6k therefore I think an average of 8k per game is realistic. For the average price Ive taken the ST price and added 20% on then divided by the 19 games and then applied it across the Adult, OAP and Junior numbers. Giving an average price per game of £34.40. This gives a total of £4,509,578.93

 

So I think that the total income from ticket sales is more likely to be £17,926,027 or rounded to £18m which is £12m short of your estimation.

 

I dont think we actually have 100 corporate boxes, Id guess 80 and last season about 20% of them were empty, with cutbacks etc Id estimate that we'll sell about 50 so if your view of £30k per box is right then thats £1.5m

25k programmes per game? you're having a laugh arent you? Id guess somewhere between 5 and 10k so lets say 8k.

As for booze and food, make that £1m if you're lucky.

 

Outgoings:

Player wages are still supposed to be around the £40m mark not £25 as youve wildly quoted.

I'll go with your views on the cost of other staff, booze etc (because I havent got a clue on that) so thats £11.5m

 

All in all, Im guessing you're about £32m overestimating there.

 

 

41500 sold so far so there you 6500 out already

[LeazesMag 0]

About what? Some "whizz kid" on Toontastic pulling some figures out of his arse? Don't think there is much of a consensus

 

nah, I mean all the thick cunts who supported the Mike Ashley type business blueprint that they all championed and insisted it would be better than playing regularly in europe ?

[accadacca 0]

Colo, Smith, Barton and Xisco cost us around £15m a year all-in, so I would say your wages estimate is very optimistic.

 

COLO 65K

BARTON 60K

SMITH 60K

NOLAN 50K

GUTIERREZ 50K

ENRIQUE 40K

S TAYLOR 30K

LOVENKRANDS 20K

HARPER 20K

AMEOBI 20K

KRUL 10K

R TAYLOR 10K

GUTHRIE 10K

WILLIAMSON 10K

SIMPSON 10K

BEST 10K

CARROLL 10K

ROUTLEDGE 10K

KADAR 5K

RANGER 5K

 

WEEKLY WAGE BILL FOR SENIOR PROS 490K = £25,480,000

[Gejon 2]

About what? Some "whizz kid" on Toontastic pulling some figures out of his arse? Don't think there is much of a consensus

 

nah, I mean all the thick cunts who supported the Mike Ashley type business blueprint that they all championed and insisted it would be better than playing regularly in europe ?

 

That still doesn't make sense, is this just another case of you using something remotely related to bang on about one of your obsessions again?

 

The general consesus on Newcastle Online (general consesus = majority of people, not the one person you can find on a busy forum that seems oblivious to common sense/intelligence) is that Mike Ashley is a useless twat.

 

It has been for quite a while, even if some didn't throw their toys out of the pram as soon as he looked to be taking over. Most gave a bloke they knew little about a chance to see what he would do. Just because you cried that your beloved Shepherd was leaving doesn't make you right when Ashley turned out to be a dud, you would have kicked off no matter who took over or how well they did.

 

You clearly knew bugger all about Mike Ashley or at least kept your knowledge of the bloke and his business practice VERY quiet and instead of giving reasons why he wasn't the right bloke decided to just act like a spoilt child. I only remember one person bringing up geniune, knowledgable and coherant concerns about Ashley and he is a N-O regular.

 

Get over it.

[Guest I'm A Cunt]

Colo, Smith, Barton and Xisco cost us around £15m a year all-in, so I would say your wages estimate is very optimistic.

 

COLO 65K

BARTON 60K

SMITH 60K

NOLAN 50K

GUTIERREZ 50K

ENRIQUE 40K

S TAYLOR 30K

LOVENKRANDS 20K

HARPER 20K

AMEOBI 20K

KRUL 10K

R TAYLOR 10K

GUTHRIE 10K

WILLIAMSON 10K

SIMPSON 10K

BEST 10K

CARROLL 10K

ROUTLEDGE 10K

KADAR 5K

RANGER 5K

 

WEEKLY WAGE BILL FOR SENIOR PROS 490K = £25,480,000

 

Colocinni is on 80k and Barton is on 75k you knob. Enrique is also on 55k.

[LeazesMag 0]

About what? Some "whizz kid" on Toontastic pulling some figures out of his arse? Don't think there is much of a consensus

 

nah, I mean all the thick cunts who supported the Mike Ashley type business blueprint that they all championed and insisted it would be better than playing regularly in europe ?

 

That still doesn't make sense, is this just another case of you using something remotely related to bang on about one of your obsessions again?

 

The general consesus on Newcastle Online (general consesus = majority of people, not the one person you can find on a busy forum that seems oblivious to common sense/intelligence) is that Mike Ashley is a useless twat.

 

It has been for quite a while, even if some didn't throw their toys out of the pram as soon as he looked to be taking over. Most gave a bloke they knew little about a chance to see what he would do. Just because you cried that your beloved Shepherd was leaving doesn't make you right when Ashley turned out to be a dud, you would have kicked off no matter who took over or how well they did.

 

You clearly knew bugger all about Mike Ashley or at least kept your knowledge of the bloke and his business practice VERY quiet and instead of giving reasons why he wasn't the right bloke decided to just act like a spoilt child. I only remember one person bringing up geniune, knowledgable and coherant concerns about Ashley and he is a N-O regular.

 

Get over it.

 

 

Not my intention to "derail" a thread about Mike Ashley and how he is running the football club btw.....

 

But - that is bollocks from start to finish. Your phrase "beloved Shepherd" does nothing other than show you are also unable to admit what I always said, which was replacing the Halls and Shepherd with someone as good would be very difficult. That is still my view by the way, and as for "would have kicked off no matter how well they did" is equally bollocks. Do you seriously think that after over 40 years and getting on for 1000 times I have seen this club I would have been unhappy at seeing someone come in and do better than they did ?

 

You're an idiot, just like the stupid cunts I've already referenced.

 

I saw through him quite quickly, in that I realised almost immediately he did not have the footballing ambition that is necessary for one of the biggest clubs in the country. It's THAT simple. And I did that, like a small amount of others, precisely BECAUSE I didn't have my head up my arse in a blind negative fashion concerning the Halls and Shepherd, like the majority who were stupid cunts.

 

Anyway. I don't want to "derail" this thread [meaning whoever accuses me of this doesn't agree] so I'll leave it there. Its quite sad that you can't admit that you know I am right and have put this whole thing into perspective. The vast majority of posters on NO were stupid cunts, and you know it.

[Gejon 2]

You never gave anything to back it up, I won't call you a stupid cunt though, I am clearly not as wound up by it all as you seem to be (obsession can exaggerate emotions).

 

It was clear as day that you had the hump from the off, but didn't give any reason apart from "it wouldn't be easy to replace the Shepherd and Halls".

 

If someone who didn't know your background saw your contribution to this forum and N-O when you were still allowed to post they would probably assume you supported Shepherd > NUFC because it's all you bang on about it.

 

Fair enough their era brought the best football we had but you need to get over it and your childish hatred for anyone who gave Ashley a chance is pathetic. You were only "right" in the same way that if we did sign someone in the summer (I know, not likely) and I said, without any knowledge of the player, they would turn out to be shit and they did then I would be right.

 

As I said before, you clearly knew nothing about Ashley but decided he wasn't the right man for you from day one so somehow you were right. I seem to remember you had a similar stance against Luque when he signed despite admitting having seen hardly anything of him/nothing of him at all so ok technically you are right if you say something will be shit and it turns out to be, but when you have no real knowledge on the matter and are just basically throwing the toys out of the pram it's a bit of a hollow victory, don't you think?

Edited June 21, 2010 by Gejon

[LeazesMag 0]

You never gave anything to back it up, I won't call you a stupid cunt though, I am clearly not as wound up by it all as you seem to be (obsession can exaggerate emotions).

 

It was clear as day that you had the hump from the off, but didn't give any reason apart from "it wouldn't be easy to replace the Shepherd and Halls".

 

If someone who didn't know your background saw your contribution to this forum and N-O when you were still allowed to post they would probably assume you supported Shepherd > NUFC because it's all you bang on about it.

 

Fair enough their era brought the best football we had but you need to get over it and your childish hatred for anyone who gave Ashley a chance is pathetic. You were only "right" in the same way that if we did sign someone in the summer (I know, not likely) and I said, without any knowledge of the player, they would turn out to be shit and they did then I would be right.

 

As I said before, you clearly knew nothing about Ashley but decided he wasn't the right man for you from day one so somehow you were right. I seem to remember you had a similar stance against Luque when he signed despite admitting having seen hardly anything of him/nothing of him at all so ok technically you are right if you say something will be shit and it turns out to be, but when you have no real knowledge on the matter and are just basically throwing the toys out of the pram it's a bit of a hollow victory, don't you think?

 

sorry like. But thats all bollocks again.

 

Why you think I should "have the hump" at someone new taking over is beyond me. I wanted someone better just like everyone. The only difference is I was one of a small number who realised it would be difficult. It's what I always said. I wouldn't have minded selling my shares either to someone who was better if it helped.

 

As for Luque, you are wrong again. I watched him, and called him in less than 1 game actually, I said to my mate this player will never make it here. And said so on NO. Not that it matters.

 

The early signs that Mike Ashley didn't have the ambition we were used to seeing were glaringly obvious. As I said, you had to be a stupid cunt not to see it, or have your head totally up your arse negatively concerning the Halls and Shepherd. Like those who booed a team for not qualifying for the Champs League and will now be lauding Mike Ashley and be cheering premiership survival.

 

This is a thread about Mike Ashley and how he is running the football club isn't it ? Good. I don't want to be accused of derailing anything by those who disagree with me.