Chemtrails.

[Renton 21643]

Well I can't get those at work and have no inclination to look at them at home - the first was bad enough.

 

Do they answer my questions or address your sense of panic after you witnessed a cloudy afternoon in Hamburg?

[Rob W 0]

running out of things to see as conspiracy theories I think

[Cid_MCDP 0]

Maybe it's to negate some of the effects of the 2012 solar flare...

[ChezGiven 0]

I reckon Erik Meijer shmokes a lot of weed.

 

Still an interesting phenomenemonenom though.

[Park Life 71]

Maybe it's to negate some of the effects of the 2012 solar flare...

 

This is also one of the theories. There are some very strange things going on in our solar system right now ie Venus losing one of its rings and ALL the planets looking like they are heating up/new anomalies in their magnetic fields *see nasa website.

 

@Renton

 

Commercial airlines/planes aren't involved at all. This is strictly a military op hence the ease of deniabiltiy. I know that over europe it is American planes doing it which are Nato alligned some based in Belgium and others based in the Uk and Germany.

 

I don't really know why they would be doing it, but the cost is high (in terms of fuel and mantime, the aerosol is cheap to make) so there must be some very grounded reasoning behind it. UV is definately part of the puzzle as is atmospheric temperatures which might be an issue if there are problems with our magnetic field as there is currently with Venus. It was only recently acknowledged that there is a kind of filligree of electromagnetism that links the planets depending on orbit and procession, so things happening on the big ones (inc the sun) also effects us.

 

SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

[Renton 21643]

Maybe it's to negate some of the effects of the 2012 solar flare...

 

This is also one of the theories. There are some very strange things going on in our solar system right now ie Venus losing one of its rings and ALL the planets looking like they are heating up/new anomalies in their magnetic fields *see nasa website.

 

@Renton

 

Commercial airlines/planes aren't involved at all. This is strictly a military op hence the ease of deniabiltiy. I know that over europe it is American planes doing it which are Nato alligned some based in Belgium and others based in the Uk and Germany.

 

I don't really know why they would be doing it, but the cost is high (in terms of fuel and mantime, the aerosol is cheap to make) so there must be some very grounded reasoning behind it. UV is definately part of the puzzle as is atmospheric temperatures which might be an issue if there are problems with our magnetic field as there is currently with Venus. It was only recently acknowledged that there is a kind of filligree of electromagnetism that links the planets depending on orbit and procession, so things happening on the big ones (inc the sun) also effects us.

 

SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

 

Erm, Venus doesn't have any rings and only has a neglible magnetic field though.

 

Out of interest, are military flights a regular occurence in Germany because I don't think they are here (they're pretty easy to spot). So that would beg the question, why would Germany prepare for 2012 or whatever, but not the UK, bearing in mind both are members of the EU and Nato? Could it be that perhaps Rob's explanation, provided by a qualified expert, might be correct? That contrails have always had an atmospheric effect but the increase in flights in recent years would make this more noticeable?

 

This just reeks of the usual conspiratorial speculation on nothing.

[Park Life 71]

Maybe it's to negate some of the effects of the 2012 solar flare...

 

This is also one of the theories. There are some very strange things going on in our solar system right now ie Venus losing one of its rings and ALL the planets looking like they are heating up/new anomalies in their magnetic fields *see nasa website.

 

@Renton

 

Commercial airlines/planes aren't involved at all. This is strictly a military op hence the ease of deniabiltiy. I know that over europe it is American planes doing it which are Nato alligned some based in Belgium and others based in the Uk and Germany.

 

I don't really know why they would be doing it, but the cost is high (in terms of fuel and mantime, the aerosol is cheap to make) so there must be some very grounded reasoning behind it. UV is definately part of the puzzle as is atmospheric temperatures which might be an issue if there are problems with our magnetic field as there is currently with Venus. It was only recently acknowledged that there is a kind of filligree of electromagnetism that links the planets depending on orbit and procession, so things happening on the big ones (inc the sun) also effects us.

 

SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

 

Erm, Venus doesn't have any rings and only has a neglible magnetic field though.

 

Out of interest, are military flights a regular occurence in Germany because I don't think they are here (they're pretty easy to spot). So that would beg the question, why would Germany prepare for 2012 or whatever, but not the UK, bearing in mind both are members of the EU and Nato? Could it be that perhaps Rob's explanation, provided by a qualified expert, might be correct? That contrails have always had an atmospheric effect but the increase in flights in recent years would make this more noticeable?

 

This just reeks of the usual conspiratorial speculation on nothing.

 

 

Don't know why I typed Venus, it is Jupitur that has changed...

 

 

05/13/2010 06:46 PM ID: 84104 Permalink

Jupiter Loses Southern Band

 

 

When Jupiter recently re-emerged into view, astronomers noticed that it was missing one of its dominant features: the southern band, a dark wide stripe on the gas giant.

 

This is not the first time it has done so while being observed. In 1973, the Pioneer space probe passed by and scientists noticed that it was missing then too. Later, in the 90s, it vanished temporarily.

 

It is theorized that white clouds in the upper atmosphere of the planet might be obscuring the darker belt region. Recently the planet has been experiencing numerous other sudden changes: bands changing colors, and random appearance of spots.

 

WHO DOES ROB WORK FOR?

 

WHY DOES HE COUNTER EVERY ANOMALY?

 

I WANT ANSWERS!!

[Park Life 71]

Jupiter Has Lost a Cloud Stripe, New Photos Reveal

By Tariq Malik

SPACE.com Managing Editor

posted: 13 May 2010

03:19 am ET

 

This story was updated at 8:10 a.m. ET.

 

A giant cloud belt in the southern half of Jupiter has apparently disappeared according to new photos of the planet taken by amateur astronomers.

 

The new Jupiter photos, taken May 9 by Australian astronomer Anthony Wesley, reveal that the huge reddish band of clouds that make up the planet's Southern Equatorial Belt has faded from view.

 

Jupiter's trademark Great Red Spot, a massive storm that could fit two Earths inside, is typically found along the edges of the planet's Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB). When the southern cloud belt fades from view, the Great Red Spot stands out along with Jupiter's Northern Equatorial Belt of clouds in telescope views.

 

"It was evident to Jupiter watchers late last year that the planet was going into one of these SEB fading cycles, but then it was lost behind the sun for several months and naturally everyone who follows these things was eager to take images as soon as possible after its re-emergence in March," Wesley told SPACE.com in an e-mail.

[Park Life 71]

[Park Life 71]

Earth's Magnetic Field Reversals Illuminated By Lava Flows Study

ScienceDaily (Sep. 26, 2008) — Earth's north magnetic pole is shifting and weakening. Ancient lava flows are guiding a better understanding of what generates and controls the Earth's magnetic field – and what may drive it to occasionally reverse direction.

 

 

The main magnetic field, generated by turbulent currents within the deep mass of molten iron of the Earth's outer core, periodically flips its direction, such that a compass needle would point south rather than north. Such polarity reversals have occurred hundreds of times at irregular intervals throughout the planet's history – most recently about 780,000 years ago – but scientists are still trying to understand how and why.

 

A new study of ancient volcanic rocks, reported in the Sept. 26 issue of the journal Science, shows that a second magnetic field source may help determine how and whether the main field reverses direction. This second field, which may originate in the shallow core just below the rocky mantle layer of the Earth, becomes important when the main north-south field weakens, as it does prior to reversing, says Brad Singer, a geology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

 

Singer teamed up with paleomagnetist Kenneth Hoffman, who has been researching field reversals for over 30 years, to analyze ancient lava flows from Tahiti and western Germany in order to study past patterns of the Earth's magnetic field. The magnetism of iron-rich minerals in molten lava orients along the prevailing field, then becomes locked into place as the lava cools and hardens.

[Renton 21643]

Jupiter, the most dynamic and turbulent planet in the solar system, in change shocker.

 

Not only that, apparently it's been changing as long as we have been able to observe it.

 

It takes a special type of brain to link the changing meterological phenomena on Jupiter to a global conspiracy on Earth concerning the use of pods to spray toxic chemicals from aircrafts.

[Park Life 71]

Jupiter, the most dynamic and turbulent planet in the solar system, in change shocker.

 

Not only that, apparently it's been changing as long as we have been able to observe it.

 

It takes a special type of brain to link the changing meterological phenomena on Jupiter to a global conspiracy on Earth concerning the use of pods to spray toxic chemicals from aircrafts.

 

I'm trying to educate you bro.

 

I'm not saying it's tied into the spraying, just showing you there is plenty afoot right now.

 

From Nasa

 

"Precise helioseismic observations of the 'conveyor belt' flow speed by the Michelson Doppler Imager instrument on board the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory gave us a breakthrough," said Dikpati. "We now know it takes two cycles to fill half the belt with magnetic field – the part where it sinks at the poles and flows toward the equator, reaching mid-latitudes – and another two cycles to fill the other half – from the bottom at mid-latitudes, then rising at the equator and flowing toward the poles again. Because of this, the next solar cycle depends on characteristics from as far back as 40 years previously -- the sun has a magnetic 'memory'."

 

The magnetic data input comes from the SOHO/MDI instrument and historical records. To test the model, the researchers took magnetic data from the past eight solar cycles and fed it to the computer, and the results matched actual observations over the last 80 years. The team then added current magnetic data and ran the model ahead ten years to get their prediction for the next cycle.

 

We are currently back in the quiet period for the current cycle (cycle 23). The next cycle will begin with a rise in solar activity in late 2007 or early 2008, according to the team, and there will be 30 to 50 percent more sunspots, flares, and CMEs in cycle 24. This is about one year later than the prediction using previous methods, which rely on statistics, like the strength of the large-scale solar magnetic field and the number of sunspots, to make estimates for the next cycle.

 

Dikpati's team includes Dr. Giuliana De Toma and Dr. Peter A. Gilman. All are scientists in NCAR's High Altitude Observatory, Boulder, Colo. SOHO is a project of international collaboration between NASA and the European Space Agency. NCAR's primary sponsor is the National Science Foundation.

 

 

 

This solar cycle hasn't materialised, which is why there is some consternation regarding the sunspot cycle and fears of a coming massive ejection.

 

 

Scientists Warn of Unexpected CME Bomb during Solar Cycle 24

by Mitch Battros

 

Scientists are learning to predict giant solar storms that could, at any time, hit the Earth and produce cascading catastrophes. This statement comes from the highest esteemed agency -- The National Science Foundation. The NSF is internationally known for its extremely careful release of information to maintain its reputation of credibility.

 

A coronal mass ejection (CME) is a discharge of 'charged particles' sometimes referred to as 'plasma' from our Sun. CME's are almost always associated with sunspots and solar flares. If a CME is Earth directed, it can cause severe damage from power grid failures to earthquakes.

 

As mentioned in previous articles, the NSF has endorsed my 1998 Sun-Earth Equation (see below). Today's announcement has issued a heads-up warning suggesting our current solar cycle, Cycle 24, could in fact possess a serious, if not record-breaking coronal mass ejection (CME) which could bring the world to its knees.

 

Equation: Sunspots => Solar Flares or CME's => Shifting Earth's Magnetic Field => Shifting Jet Stream => Shifting Ocean Currents => Extreme Weather and Human Disruption (Battros 1998)

 

Today's NSF warning of future hazards has in fact happened on three occasions in recorded history. Note: The term "recorded history" reflects an extremely short period of time capturing a mere approximate 200 year span. This is to say; although I am speaking of a possible 4th event which could be labeled as "record-breaking", it does not consider the fact the Earth has experienced such an event thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- of times during Earth's life history. However, such an event occurring within the next 2 to 4 years would cause unmatched devastation due to our current electro-magnetic technological advancements.

 

The first and most spectacular event occurred on September 1st 1859. The Sun unleashed a massive record-breaking coronal mass ejection (CME), speeding through our solar system at nearly the speed of light (671 million per hour - or 186,282 per second), hitting Earth's magnetic field. This caused the largest geomagnetic storm ever recorded setting off auroras across half the world almost reaching into Central America just short of the equator. To give perspective; the average solar storm sets off auroras which cover Alaska and maybe down into northern Canada.

 

This event has become known as the Carrington Storm or Carrington Event, named after Richard Carrington, a member of the Royal Astronomical Society, observing Sunspots through a telescope, making the first-ever observation of a white-light flare -- a huge explosion erupting on the solar surface. The explosion observed by Carrington signaled the ejection from the Sun of an interplanetary hurricane directed at Earth. Approaching at 5 million miles per hour, it struck 18 hours later and immersed the planet in the biggest magnetic storm ever recorded.

 

The second Carrington Event occurred March 15th 1989 with Quebec, Canada as its epicenter. A wave of ten X-class solar flares set off in rapid succession which was Earth directed knocking out Quebec's largest power grid. 6,000,000.00 people went without power during one of Montreal's worse ice storms. A great number of the population went without power for up to three weeks. The community survived by relying on their neighbors. Homes with a fireplace were the only source of warmth for thousands.

 

The third Carrington Event was actually a 'near-miss' occurrence. It occurred on November 4th 2003 and is also known as The Halloween Event. The sunspot group had just rotated around the Sun's western limb before exploding. If it had been Earth directed, no one is quite sure what the devastating results would be. This was the largest solar flare ever recorded measuring an X-45. It literally sent NOAA's and the USAF measuring instruments off-the-scale. They had to recalibrate their instruments which will now read solar events beyond X-50.

 

CMEs are associated with peaks in the activity of sunspots, which are knots of magnetism on the Sun's surface generated by subsurface movements of solar material. (Sunspots appear dark because they are cooler and therefore less bright than their hotter surroundings.) Sunspot activity peaks about every 11 years; this 11-year cycle is, in turn, related to a 22-year cycle of reversals in the Sun's magnetic field.

 

During a typical 11-year sunspot cycle, the Sun hurls about 100 severe CMEs and about four extreme CMEs into the solar system--only a fraction of which usually hit the Earth. Such CMEs are most likely to occur during peaks in sunspot activity, and are less likely to occur during periods of low sunspot activity.

 

CMEs still occur during periods of low sunspot activity; but they are just fewer and further between than during active sunspot periods. It is still very possible for a fierce geomagnetic storm to occur during a solar minimum. The 1859 geomagnetic storm was the largest storm ever recorded; "but there is absolutely no reason why the Earth couldn't be hit by an equally or even more violent geomagnetic storm today, tomorrow, or the next day," said Sarah Gibson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo.

 

Because scientists vigilantly watch for CMEs through high-tech telescopes and because it usually takes two or three days for most of a CME's impacts to reach the Earth, scientists can anticipate geomagnetic storms once Earth-directed CMEs start. Nevertheless, scientists cannot yet forecast when CMEs will start.

 

With funding from the National Science Foundation, scientists at NCAR are currently using various methods to improve their understanding of CMEs and their ability to forecast them. Among these methods are computer simulations of CMEs that describe their physical properties based on conditions on the Sun and Earth and the laws of magnetism, electricity, gravity and thermodynamics--as shown in the above image and an animated simulation of a CME.

 

Some simulations are based on hypothetical data that is designed to reflect typical solar events. But other simulations are based on specific data collected on a particular day and are designed to recreate actual CMEs. Data incorporated into such simulations may include, for example, the Earth's position relative to the Sun during the CME; the mass, composition, size and electrical charge of the CME; and conditions immediately around the Earth upon the CME's arrival. By comparing their simulation with direct observations of the real-life CME it was designed to recreate, scientists can evaluate their simulation's accuracy and improve it.

[Park Life 71]

PRESTO FROM SIDC - RWC BELGIUM Wed May 26 2010, 1247 UT

 

The B6.5 flare peaking at 15:55 UT on May 26 (in the Catania sunspot group 74, NOAA AR 1072) was not accompanied by a CME. An isolated B-flare remains possible. The Earth is currently inside a slow (350 km/s) solar wind flow with average (4-5 nT) interplanetary magnetic field magnitude. We expect quiet geomagnetic conditions in the coming hours. Later tonight or tomorrow morning we expect the arrival of the ICME associated with the CME on May 23. Moderate geomagnetic storm conditions are possible. The CME erupted on May 24 is expected to have only a glancing blow at the Earth on May 28, possibly leading to active geomagnetic conditions.

 

http://sidc.oma.be/products/presto/

 

[Park Life 71]

SOMETHING IS GOING ON!!!111

 

[ChezGiven 0]

I think the anti-conspiracists are as blinkered as the conspiracists are circumspective.

 

Global catastrophes, no matter how improbable, will tend to focus the minds of the Hegemons.

[Renton 21643]

I think the anti-conspiracists are as blinkered as the conspiracists are circumspective.

 

Global catastrophes, no matter how improbable, will tend to focus the minds of the Hegemons.

 

I'm not sure I follow this post. What's wrong with being skeptical and how are conspiracists circumspect?

 

Its all about evidence and plausibility ar the end of the day. And can anyone name a single major conspiracy that has been confirmed with hindsight? I'm not talking of relatively trifling matters like Watergate here, although the very fact that was uncovered shows how hard it is to keep even little secrets. I'm talking big stuff, like Doctors witholding the cure to cancer, HIV not being responsible for AIDs, man not landing on the moon, 911 being committed by shadowy figures above the US government, etc.

 

Some people feel the need to believe their is a shadowy elite controlling our destinys, that is for certain. I'm confident that they are wrong, and they haven't taken into account that the natural state of the Universe is one of order through chaos. That is, at the end of the day, shit just happens.

[ChezGiven 0]

I've always stood by the view that the conspiracists come from a sensible position of 'not everything in life is quite what it seems'. I refer to the bigger more important ones like; Zionism in the early 20th century, Christianity throughout the ages, the cold war, the assasination of JFK etc. Arguably, the latest re-transfers of wealth from the middle class to the rich was fairly well orchestrated by the ruling classes. Thats a conspiracy in my eyes. If the cold war is revealed as a concerted ideologoical war against communism, it doesnt mean it becomes honest or not a conspiracy or that all such plans and ideas are known to us. As Rumsfeld said there are things you dont know you dont know.

 

Conspiracy for me is having a government who doesnt tell the truth, who spins the facts, whose objectives are opaque. Or any globally powerful organisation with limited accountability and hidden objectives.

[Toonpack 9476]

I've always stood by the view that the conspiracists come from a sensible position of 'not everything in life is quite what it seems'. I refer to the bigger more important ones like; Zionism in the early 20th century, Christianity throughout the ages, the cold war, the assasination of JFK etc. Arguably, the latest re-transfers of wealth from the middle class to the rich was fairly well orchestrated by the ruling classes. Thats a conspiracy in my eyes. If the cold war is revealed as a concerted ideologoical war against communism, it doesnt mean it becomes honest or not a conspiracy or that all such plans and ideas are known to us. As Rumsfeld said there are things you dont know you dont know.

 

Conspiracy for me is having a government who doesnt tell the truth, who spins the facts, whose objectives are opaque. Or any globally powerful organisation with limited accountability and hidden objectives.

 

I guess that's covers all of them

 

P.S. Parky is the best poster in the history of the internet, ever (after Tyrone Weaver)

Edited May 27, 2010 by Toonpack

[Park Life 71]

Some bloke posted in this thread that his wife wrote to the Met office and they said it was all alright.

[Renton 21643]

Some bloke posted in this thread that his wife wrote to the Met office and they said it was all alright.

 

To be fair only the reply was pasted here so I don't think we know what the matter was really about anyway. But again, what are you suggesting? A member of the Met office lied to a member of the public? The Met office are part of a wider conspiracy?

 

Personally I'd sooner trust a second hand opinion from a meteorology expert than some loon on the internet who believes cancer is a vitamin deficiency.

[Park Life 71]

Some bloke posted in this thread that his wife wrote to the Met office and they said it was all alright.

 

To be fair only the reply was pasted here so I don't think we know what the matter was really about anyway. But again, what are you suggesting? A member of the Met office lied to a member of the public? The Met office are part of a wider conspiracy?

 

Personally I'd sooner trust a second hand opinion from a meteorology expert than some loon on the internet who believes cancer is a vitamin deficiency.

 

They can't even get the weather right.

[Renton 21643]

Some bloke posted in this thread that his wife wrote to the Met office and they said it was all alright.

 

To be fair only the reply was pasted here so I don't think we know what the matter was really about anyway. But again, what are you suggesting? A member of the Met office lied to a member of the public? The Met office are part of a wider conspiracy?

 

Personally I'd sooner trust a second hand opinion from a meteorology expert than some loon on the internet who believes cancer is a vitamin deficiency.

 

They can't even get the weather right.

 

Science is all about managing uncertainty Parky my dear, and this is especially true of chaotic systems (like weather and the stock market). Problem with the Met office is that people don't handle uncertainty well, and they are pressurised into making categorical claims when they are not really certain.

 

Anyway, I read this article and thought of you. Interesting article though, seriously, tell me what you think when you have a moment.

 

New Scientist.

[Park Life 71]

That's interesting and starts in the usual softly softly way and then tries to make out that people with opposite mind sets are in denial or even crazy or illiterate or somesuch. Society would have got nowhere without people who were ready to challenge the norm or the standardised opionions of the masses or the hazy and sometimes conspiratorial motivations of the intelligensia. Denial is healthy. People who don't question things are not only boring but actually a danger to the well being of society itself.

 

I'll take it apart later.

[ChezGiven 0]

Some bloke posted in this thread that his wife wrote to the Met office and they said it was all alright.

 

To be fair only the reply was pasted here so I don't think we know what the matter was really about anyway. But again, what are you suggesting? A member of the Met office lied to a member of the public? The Met office are part of a wider conspiracy?

 

Personally I'd sooner trust a second hand opinion from a meteorology expert than some loon on the internet who believes cancer is a vitamin deficiency.

 

They can't even get the weather right.

 

Science is all about managing uncertainty Parky my dear, and this is especially true of chaotic systems (like weather and the stock market). Problem with the Met office is that people don't handle uncertainty well, and they are pressurised into making categorical claims when they are not really certain.

 

Anyway, I read this article and thought of you. Interesting article though, seriously, tell me what you think when you have a moment.

 

New Scientist.

 

As much as i agree with all that at the general level, true science can only deny and not affirm anything.

 

The author is a bit confused though as affirming a relationship between autism and vaccines isnt denying anything. Its the proper scientific process of proposing alternative hypotheses for testing.

 

'Scepticism' which may be a better way of describing people who dont believe in following the guidance or governments of healthcare systems is right and Proper and enshrined in Popper.

 

Disagreeing with the prevailing scientific view is healthy, it generates hypotheses that can be falsified.

Edited May 28, 2010 by ChezGiven

[Park Life 71]

Where did thousands die from the last outbreak? And the article conveniently doesn't admit that the level required to declare a pandemic was lowered and key facts such as uptake in Germany was very low after the army doctors refused to give it to soldiers and the populace caught on. For something purporting to be the pinnacle of Science it seems to have a very weak and duplicitopus relationship with facts. Unless the whole German army machinery is in denial of course.

 

 

yours sincerely,

 

A free thinker.

 

ps the Polish Govt refused it as well and look what happenned to them. [/Conspiracy]

Edited May 28, 2010 by Park Life