Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 Well trotskys, heres your uninspiring choice for leader. Perhaps its time for a toontastic poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Trotsky was a well educated middle class intellectual actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Aye but don't write a concept album about the fucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Aye but don't write a concept album about the fucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 Trotsky was a well educated middle class intellectual actually. Maybe so, but you must admit they're an unspiring bunch at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Trotsky was a well educated middle class intellectual actually. Maybe so, but you must admit they're an unspiring bunch at best I don't know much about them tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Ed Balls On the question time panel tonight. Struck me as an extremely shallow horror of a man who had nothing but rhetoric and couldnt even deliver that sincerely. Diane Abbott Got an absolute kicking on This Week off Andrew Neil over remarks she had made justifying sending her son to a £10,000 a year school, claiming that West Indian mothers will go to the wall for the children. She refused to acknowledge that white mothers are just as caring as West Indian women and really ended up getting herself in a right mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21432 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls On the question time panel tonight. Struck me as an extremely shallow horror of a man who had nothing but rhetoric and couldnt even deliver that sincerely. Diane Abbott Got an absolute kicking on This Week off Andrew Neil over remarks she had made justifying sending her son to a £10,000 a year school, claiming that West Indian mothers will go to the wall for the children. She refused to acknowledge that white mothers are just as caring as West Indian women and really ended up getting herself in a right mess. I thought Balls did fine tonight, giving Cable a good kicking for being a sad old hypocrite, in what way do you think he was using rhetoric? He got enough applause from the audience. Cable was dying by the end. However, I must remember I am biased and you're completely objective, so you're right of course. Didn't see Abbot, but did you see Will Hutton before this? Echoed everything Chez has been saying. It'll be on iPlayer if anyone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls On the question time panel tonight. Struck me as an extremely shallow horror of a man who had nothing but rhetoric and couldnt even deliver that sincerely. Diane Abbott Got an absolute kicking on This Week off Andrew Neil over remarks she had made justifying sending her son to a £10,000 a year school, claiming that West Indian mothers will go to the wall for the children. She refused to acknowledge that white mothers are just as caring as West Indian women and really ended up getting herself in a right mess. I thought Balls did fine tonight, giving Cable a good kicking for being a sad old hypocrite, in what way do you think he was using rhetoric? He got enough applause from the audience. Cable was dying by the end. However, I must remember I am biased and you're completely objective, so you're right of course. Didn't see Abbot, but did you see Will Hutton before this? Echoed everything Chez has been saying. It'll be on iPlayer if anyone is interested. Perectly good performance by Balls as you say. CT just making up any old cobblers to knock a main leadership contender tbh. Getting a bit sad now Horrendous bit of politics by Abbott though on This Week afterwards its fair to say. Neil pointing out quite rightly that the implication of what she was saying would be considered racist if it was eg a white person saying the equivalent. Not that she is racist (and I know the point she was getting at fwiw) but she thinks she's above having to explain herself about a lot of things and obviously if thats the case she only has herself to blame when she inevitably and frequently gets misconstrued. Not a serious contender anyway of course. Just found out Andrew Neil is only 61 btw. I had him down as 10 years older than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 There is something about Ed Balls I really don't like, the story about him getting 3 points for driving while on his mobile with his kids in the car didn't help either. Although, that is totally irrational. David Milliband for me seems a lot more human than his brother Ed, who comes across as an uncomfortable social spastic. . vintage SLP Isiah Milliband. So called cos one 'eyes higher' than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls On the question time panel tonight. Struck me as an extremely shallow horror of a man who had nothing but rhetoric and couldnt even deliver that sincerely. Diane Abbott Got an absolute kicking on This Week off Andrew Neil over remarks she had made justifying sending her son to a £10,000 a year school, claiming that West Indian mothers will go to the wall for the children. She refused to acknowledge that white mothers are just as caring as West Indian women and really ended up getting herself in a right mess. I thought Balls did fine tonight, giving Cable a good kicking for being a sad old hypocrite, in what way do you think he was using rhetoric? He got enough applause from the audience. I take a bit more into consideration as to whether the 40% labour split of the audience clap or not. Just opinions but he just didnt strike me as a he had what it takes to be a modern day leader. More a poor mans John Prescott, but without the conviction. Kep doing a bizzarre stare into the camera which looked odd as well. As for giving Vince a good kicking, my granny could give Vince a good kicking. The man is obviously very uncomfortable having to be accountable for his actions. Polotics is much easier when you can talk the talk but not have to walk the walk. He looks like he's heading for ill health. I must remember I am biased and you're completely objective, so you're right of course. Now your learning Didn't see Abbot, but did you see Will Hutton before this? Echoed everything Chez has been saying. It'll be on iPlayer if anyone is interested. I did, saying economists were split down the middle about whether the action was right or wrong and that economists are very good and explaining the past, but not quite as good as explaining the future. (Thats obejectivety btw ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21432 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 And you think your opinions of Ed Balls are entirely objective, and not affected by you political allegiance, but of course, mine are, as are that of the audience. No point in discussing things further, you have about as much self-awareness as Fop did, and all evidence points to him as being a Bot who suffered a catastrophic meltdown. Never has this been more true. 'Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and defeat you with experience'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls, and the others seem to be the kind of New Labour pillocks who talk management jargon and pretend to represent the lower classes by calling the Tories names, whilst simulataniously getting the vaseline out for the bankers and the other wealthy types. In other words, they're crap Tories who've been to middle management courses that offer plenty of 'strategies' and 'initiatives' but no ideas. The British left is either non-existent, or a small bunch of nostalgic loons who believe Arthur Scargill was great. All that Labour stands for now is a big, unweildy state that wants to know everything about everyone's business and an obsession with new schemes and initiatives in a vain attempt to look like they're doing something to improve the country. Not even Thatcher obsessed achieved that level of control and interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls, and the others seem to be the kind of New Labour pillocks who talk management jargon and pretend to represent the lower classes by calling the Tories names, whilst simulataniously getting the vaseline out for the bankers and the other wealthy types. In other words, they're crap Tories who've been to middle management courses that offer plenty of 'strategies' and 'initiatives' but no ideas. The British left is either non-existent, or a small bunch of nostalgic loons who believe Arthur Scargill was great. All that Labour stands for now is a big, unweildy state that wants to know everything about everyone's business and an obsession with new schemes and initiatives in a vain attempt to look like they're doing something to improve the country. Not even Thatcher obsessed achieved that level of control and interference. Thats a pretty good take on things. Personally I dont think its good for the country to have a Labour party run by people like this and none of the candidates seem to have that special bit extra that you really need. (Havent seen much of Ed Milliband yet). They just need to look back at the Tory party to see what happens when you get a succession of dodgy leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 And you think your opinions of Ed Balls are entirely objective, and not affected by you political allegiance, but of course, mine are, as are that of the audience. No point in discussing things further, you have about as much self-awareness as Fop did, and all evidence points to him as being a Bot who suffered a catastrophic meltdown. Never has this been more true. 'Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and defeat you with experience'. Dear me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Trotsky was a well educated middle class intellectual actually. and a Rootless Cosmopolitan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls, and the others seem to be the kind of New Labour pillocks who talk management jargon and pretend to represent the lower classes by calling the Tories names, whilst simulataniously getting the vaseline out for the bankers and the other wealthy types. In other words, they're crap Tories who've been to middle management courses that offer plenty of 'strategies' and 'initiatives' but no ideas. The British left is either non-existent, or a small bunch of nostalgic loons who believe Arthur Scargill was great. All that Labour stands for now is a big, unweildy state that wants to know everything about everyone's business and an obsession with new schemes and initiatives in a vain attempt to look like they're doing something to improve the country. Not even Thatcher obsessed achieved that level of control and interference. sad but true...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMartin 0 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ed Balls, and the others seem to be the kind of New Labour pillocks who talk management jargon and pretend to represent the lower classes by calling the Tories names, whilst simulataniously getting the vaseline out for the bankers and the other wealthy types. In other words, they're crap Tories who've been to middle management courses that offer plenty of 'strategies' and 'initiatives' but no ideas. The British left is either non-existent, or a small bunch of nostalgic loons who believe Arthur Scargill was great. All that Labour stands for now is a big, unweildy state that wants to know everything about everyone's business and an obsession with new schemes and initiatives in a vain attempt to look like they're doing something to improve the country. Not even Thatcher obsessed achieved that level of control and interference. Top post, once upon a time i believed in the Labour party and indeed Scargill i went to the picket lines to help my comrades struggle against the state during the miners strike whilst good old Scargill was lining his pockets. I believed that Tony Blair was going to change things and offered us hope, he lied and then led us into a phony war with the Yanks. I have sadly came to the conclusion that all politicians are lying, thieving, scum sucking CUNTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 My dear old Mam always used to point out how solid Labour men and Union leaders were always very keen on the titles and the House of Lords as they got older I suppose at least they waited until they'd retired to sell out - whereas the current bunch sold out at birth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21432 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. Article today in the Times about the inevitability of the North South divide worsening under the coalition. Don't think I can link to it now though, and I'm not paying for it twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3958 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21432 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'. I couldn't agree more with this. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'. Damn those unavoidable decisions... Pensions increased and index linked Family tax credits up NHS protected from cuts Free cancer drugs fund Capital gains tax increased Bank levy put in place One million lifted out of paying tax Nissan grant Business incentives to open in the regions In just 7 weeks and off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3958 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Still think they greatly improved the situation in the NE over the last 13 years. There might not be the big ideological differences between the parties any more but I think it's a safe bit that wouldn't have been a priority for the other lot. I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'. Damn those unavoidable decisions... Pensions increased and index linked Family tax credits up NHS protected from cuts Free cancer drugs fund Capital gains tax increased Bank levy put in place One million lifted out of paying tax Nissan grant Business incentives to open in the regions In just 7 weeks and off the top of my head That's very poor class wummage, even by your standards. You haven't even had the decency to google and paste irrelevant article. I'm hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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