NJS 4386 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 We'll have to wait and see then. By 2020 the budget is predicted to be in surplus for a start. There's also the "surplus law" to come which Labour has to back or otherwise fall into a whole new overspending trap. Wages are rising, borrowing is still very low and the economy is forecast to continue at about 2.5% My bottom line to this is that Labour will always come second on financial management and therefore their chances of success will rest more on promising an exciting new future. (1997). Borrowing is twice what it was under labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Will you fuck off with your bottom lines. Underlining all of them is the real bottom line that you don't know what you're talking about. Listen Roomba boy, this is all over your head. Head down and count some beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You quite literally don't know anything that goes over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Guardian and Brown come out for Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2980 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Did someone say Hitler? Did nazi that coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The funny thing to me as an outsider is, it isn't Corbyn which is causing this explosion. It's the absolute heed the balls in the party throwing the toys out the pram because they aren't winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Is it though? Yes. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The funny thing to me as an outsider is, it isn't Corbyn which is causing this explosion. It's the absolute heed the balls in the party throwing the toys out the pram because they aren't winning. Aye, all this crack about Corbyn tearing the party apart is more "we're going to tear it apart when he wins". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 He was just supposed to be a sop to the left while another faceless blairite was crowned - backfired badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2980 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yes. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17277 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Aye, all this crack about Corbyn tearing the party apart is more "we're going to tear it apart when he wins". "Career politicians see their careers taking an uncontrollable turn for the worse" That's why they're threatening to overturn the very demorcratic process they brought in to replace the union block vote. Two out the other three are ex cabinet members and the other one is as ruthlessly careerist as anyone I've seen in my life. They want power, and that's fuckin it. Theyll do anything to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 This could make things fun, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17277 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 My old mucker Jezza just fired a txt in.... From: +447441910168 It's Jeremy Corbyn, seeking your vote for Leader. Can I ask who you're backing? Text JC for me, AB for Andy, YC for Yvette or LK for Liz. Reply STOP to opt out. 2015/08/14 05:43:46pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Jezza the IRA supporting, holocaust denying, Iran lover! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/suncolumnists/louisemensch/6591601/Louise-Mensch-I-should-never-joked-about-Corbyn.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Jezza the IRA supporting, holocaust denying, Iran lover! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/suncolumnists/louisemensch/6591601/Louise-Mensch-I-should-never-joked-about-Corbyn.html An article by a horrible person and an ex tory mp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makom 0 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) It's all Millibands fault, to my total non-surprise. I knew he'd changed the voting rules, but I had no clue about this: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9605572/labour-always-lurches-left-when-it-loses-but-this-time-is-worse/ Miliband not only provided the intellectual groundwork for the Corbyn insurrection, he also, albeit unwittingly, provided the organisational opening. Desperate to placate the increasingly truculent unions that had helped elect their boss, Miliband’s team, says one observer, ‘gave a free rein and turned a blind eye’ as the unions tried to squeeze their favoured candidates into parliamentary seats. This had two results. First, the unions managed to ensure left-wing loyalists were picked in a swath of constituencies so safe that not even Miliband could lose them. MPs elected for the first time in May figure disproportionately among those who nominated Corbyn. (second is the disaster of changing the way leaders are elected) One thing nobody seems to be mentioning is this - if he wins, then the country will potentially be faced with choosing a Labour leader who proposed to embark on the most sweeping reforms since Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher, but he's be 70 years old! He'll be nodding off in his very first cabinet meeting, surely? Edited August 17, 2015 by Makom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Or The Spectator is putting a rather extreme spin on it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 A Facebook friend just changed his profile picture to this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's all Millibands fault, to my total non-surprise. I knew he'd changed the voting rules, but I had no clue about this: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9605572/labour-always-lurches-left-when-it-loses-but-this-time-is-worse/ (second is the disaster of changing the way leaders are elected) One thing nobody seems to be mentioning is this - if he wins, then the country will potentially be faced with choosing a Labour leader who proposed to embark on the most sweeping reforms since Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher, but he's be 70 years old! He'll be nodding off in his very first cabinet meeting, surely? He's not being put forward or even voted for in order for him to win though. Not by a lot of people. It's an attempt to force Labour back over from the centre-right. He won't win the next election, he'll quit as leader when he fails, but Labour won't be what it is now. This is a necessary process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17277 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If he wins he won't be leader at the 2020 election. Hopefully Labour can get all the unpleasantness out of the way in the next 18 months and at that point a unifying electable figure will appear and Corbyn will step aside. Wft the blairites think they're playing at telling scare stories to the press I dont know but I font think even the man himself thinks he'll be the leader at the next GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hard to get rid of him in 18 months. At that stage he'll still be promising goodys without having to cost them all due to it been a while away from an election. Not to mention the shit storm it will throw up with the unions and grass roots. I think given his patter and if he can master PMQ's, he'll be doing ok for personal ratings. Still be a trouncing in 2020 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17277 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Who says anyone will need to get rid of him?....he has his beliefs but ffs he knows the country wont elect him as PM. He's there to turn the debate leftwards, that's it. Not to try to impose a totalitarian communist regime, not to re-open coal mines, not to do any of the scare stories that are being perpetrated about him at the moment. He, and the vast majority of the labour movement outside Westminster know this. As Chez said last week this is where he needs to start: The point is, Corbyn doesnt have to be right about everything; he doesnt have to be certain, and fully costed about everything; he doesnt even have to be responsive and listening to everything. This political moment is about breaking open the doors and letting the 21st century in. We have been labouring since the financial crash under political verities based on economic principles that not even economists will vouch for any more. The internal critics of the current capitalist model are everywhere: the only people still cleaving to these ideas are the political class and the technocrats who support them. The absolutely vital thing is to wrest the conversation away from leaders who wont critique the existing order for fear of sounding anti-business, otherwise we will be mired in the mistakes of yesterday for ever. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/16/jeremy-corbyn-corbynomics-cosy-consensus-debt-radical-fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well he said himself only last week that he wants to be prime minister. Can you point to anything where he says he'll stand down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17277 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) He's running for leader, he's not going to be taken seriously if he starts to send out mixed messages. He's got to say it. Theres no way he's still leader in 2020 whether he jumps or is pushed. The Labour party needs this though. The naked ambition for power without any principles in the other 3 candidates is nauseating. If it consigns the Labour party in the spirit in which it was formed to the history books then so be it. I frankly couldn't give a fuck tbh. Its cool to be cynical, nihilistic and dismissive of ideology nowadays. Jeremy Corbyn most definetly isn't cool, but he might be the father of the 21st century labour party by harking back to Labours ideological past. Edited August 17, 2015 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 I can't see what being pushed or jumping would achieve? Surely that would just pave the way for a return to centre politics. A sort of admission that Corbyns viewpoint has failed. As for principals, I'm sure lots of us would agree with most of his patter, but the problem is delivering a lot of those things whilst while still managing the economy successfully. If he or anyone else can demonstrate a way to deliver the "full package", then they'll get lots of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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