Dr Gloom 21924 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Corbyn could mobilise a lot of disenfranchised young voters. He's more dangerous than the right wing press would like you to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4260 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 CT should take up real life fishing as his next hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I got two or three in. The bottom line is this. Labour rattling on about who was to blame for the crash is equivalent to Leazes Mag rattling on about Shepherd. Voters don't give a fuck now and will give even less of a fuck in 2020. That horse has well and truly bolted. To be fair, what Larry Elliot says in that article is exactly what I said needed to be done a few days after the election. I posted some stats and graphs and how to frame the spending / austerity question. You had the same response but if done properly, it will be the platform for victory as the downfall of this government will be to underestimate the impact of their spending cuts in this term. The debate will shift back to spending / austerity and a new narrative can be shaped. I'm not saying that Labour will win but it's the right strategy looking 5 years down the line of Osbourne's cuntish social policy. The morons who voted UKIP will have had an EU referendum and the inexperienced SNP have plenty of time to fuck up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 And if labour return to its socialists roots it will win back a lot of snp voters who had changed parties because the snp is now to the left of new labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Socialism is the future of the whole planet as it is the only organic and inclusive ideology there is. Fraternity across nations and the sharing of wealth and skills is the only sane way to go. The destructive and Luddite waste of Capitalism will be like a bad dream. Edited August 12, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42458 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 And if labour return to its socialists roots it will win back a lot of snp voters who had changed parties because the snp is now to the left of new labour. Not to mention the 13yr olds who will spend the next 5 years getting fucked over by the current lot, just in time to cast their first votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 To be fair, what Larry Elliot says in that article is exactly what I said needed to be done a few days after the election. I posted some stats and graphs and how to frame the spending / austerity question. You had the same response but if done properly, it will be the platform for victory as the downfall of this government will be to underestimate the impact of their spending cuts in this term. The debate will shift back to spending / austerity and a new narrative can be shaped. I'm not saying that Labour will win but it's the right strategy looking 5 years down the line of Osbourne's cuntish social policy. The morons who voted UKIP will have had an EU referendum and the inexperienced SNP have plenty of time to fuck up there. I think Labours stuffed for the foreseeable future anyway, but going into the next election talking about 2008, nationalising railways, raising income tax thresholds, getting out of NATO, abandoning Trident, scrapping tuition fees, nationalising energy companies etc etc, is a sure fire way to oblivion. Sure some of you will say yes please to the above, but "Middle England" will run a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That's ridiculous though. We need capitalism to distribute things. We need socialism to ensure everyone has fair access to some things, which are comparatively very few in number. That's not up for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That was at Parky btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think Labours stuffed for the foreseeable future anyway, but going into the next election talking about 2008, nationalising railways, raising income tax thresholds, getting out of NATO, abandoning Trident, scrapping tuition fees, nationalising energy companies etc etc, is a sure fire way to oblivion. Sure some of you will say yes please to the above, but "Middle England" will run a mile. Something bad is coming for middle England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think Labours stuffed for the foreseeable future anyway, but going into the next election talking about 2008, nationalising railways, raising income tax thresholds, getting out of NATO, abandoning Trident, scrapping tuition fees, nationalising energy companies etc etc, is a sure fire way to oblivion. Sure some of you will say yes please to the above, but "Middle England" will run a mile. Whatever. The Labour Party needs to address the lie and misinformation about its economic record. I'm not talking about anything else, unless it does this it won't be able to shift the narrative towards its values. Corbyn and others in the party have now realised this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That's ridiculous though. We need capitalism to distribute things. We need socialism to ensure everyone has fair access to some things, which are comparatively very few in number. That's not up for debate. Capitalism was always a holding mechanism. Even our masters want it gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I like to see it more as a choreographed gymnastics floor routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 You know its over when the elite start talking about saving the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Whatever. The Labour Party needs to address the lie and misinformation about its economic record. I'm not talking about anything else, unless it does this it won't be able to shift the narrative towards its values. Corbyn and others in the party have now realised this. They've all stood up and apologised for it man!! Can you imagine them trying to get the new line past Burleigh or Paxman. The voters have already locked that episode of history away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Something bad is coming for middle England. That's off the Hobbit isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17278 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That's ridiculous though. We need capitalism to distribute things. We need socialism to ensure everyone has fair access to some things, which are comparatively very few in number. That's not up for debate. Capitalism cant distribute decent paying jobs to the masses like it did in the 20th century which is the main reason a lot of the masses are on benefits. Re-nationalising some things may address this. I think its something like this the elite may fear about a Corbyn bandwagon starting to roll. It needs someone more charismatic (younger, more telegenic for the morons in the south of England, and CT) to deliver the message though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17278 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Something bad is coming for middle England. China devalued the Yen today. Winter is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 CT, how will the Tories be able to continue attacking Labour for their economic record if the debate goes away? Take your time on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Infact its taken to bringing the third world to the first world: Wallmart. Capitalism can't work and hasn't worked for a while now (surviving on soverign debt) because it destroys the means of production and restricts excess. It's not organic. There are old airports in England full of cars that weren't sold last year and have already been replaced by new models. These will quietly be lent out to fleet purchases. This happens to keep prices high. It's waste on so many levels. Capitalism is nonsense. Edited August 12, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 CT, how will the Tories be able to continue attacking Labour for their economic record if the debate goes away? Take your time on that one. It's just there in the psyche now. Labour - poor on economy, priests - don't let your kid be an alter boy..... Etc etc The Tories if you like "horrible cunts", however Labours crash has now made horrible cunts acceptable to the electorate. Trying to re-win this argument may make Corbyn and a few other leftys feel vindicated, but it will never alter the publics perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Public perception. I alter it in 5 secs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I alter it by dropping my trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 "Labour's crash" - how fucking stupid are you really? How have thick cunts llike you forgotten how shit the tories were on the economy in the past and now? Sorry I forgot - you're the only person who sailed through ST in the 80s with absolutely no effects and no mates who were affected. I really do hope you face financial ruin sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 :lol: Financial ruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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