Gemmill 46696 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Surely all this can be put to bed once Froome hands over all his biological passport data, all his training numbers and submits himself to testing by this independent specialist after the tour. I'm not saying Froome is or isn't cheating, but I know there wouldn't he anything like this stink if it was Contador 3 minutes ahead of the field, and he actually has got a doping past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Biological passport data is already available to the UCI and testing agencies. Releasing it would be meaningless as Froome ought to be suspended already if it showed any anomalies. Froome won't hand over training numbers. Froome won't submit to independent testing. Not with the likes Ross Tucker or Ashenden, etc. He simply won't. I don't care what he says. There would definitely be a shit storm if Contador were leading by 3 minutes. The English media just wouldn't be covering it. Same as I wouldn't be posting in here if Contador were winning because I imagine no one here even knows who he is. Except maybe you and Wyki. The English media present the coverage of Froome and this doping criticism as though it's some witch hunt against an Anglo Tour leader. It's not. The story that the mainstream media outlets present is Sky's message. It's a tried and true message used by you know who. But it's rubbish. You have to go to some backwater Irish radio show to get the other side of the story. Head over to the Clinic at CyclingNews.com. There is reams of information over there. There's a few that go over board, but on the whole there's a lot of good information. Enough for you to make up your own mind. If you can be bothered of course. Like I've said before. There is no smoking gun with Froome. It's the slow accumulation of things and it would be boring and time consuming to go over it all here. If you're interested though the information is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 You expect nobody in a thread about cycling apart from two people would know who Bertie is? [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Close enough to two people that my point remains no less cogent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21155 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I ask this. Why does Froome have to go under any independent tests? He has all his power files from races and training. Just hand them over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Because David Walsh can't sit in a Sky team car writing a 'behind the scenes' article for data files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21155 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Because David Walsh can't sit in a Sky team car writing a 'behind the scenes' article for data files. Now I am not calling Froome a liar here. I shall also add that if true, the person needs smashing in. We dont want this thing in cycling. But the Urine incident. Why hasnt any of the riders around the Dawg come out and said anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yeah. I remain sceptical on that one too. It doesn't really change matters though, one way or another, so I'm not going to bother giving it too much thought. I actually thought of you saying you were going over there to run alongside with a needle. I thought you may have forgot the foam needle and decided to improvise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46696 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 So wait, we're saying he made the story up about getting drenched in piss as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I'm just sceptical. Gemmers. I'm like a paranoid Sherlock Holmes but more arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChezGiven 0 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Which non Anglo-Saxon riders have had piss thrown at them on the Tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 How is that relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17890 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Is there any way (or any point?) in comparing Froomes times over the classic tour routes (Ventoux??) with Armstrongs best times on the same routes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Yes. They are being compared and it is one of the reasons Froome is incredibly suspect. Froome has times on many well known climbs that are either close to or faster than well known dopers like Armstrong, Pantani, et al. At the time the Sky hierarchy claimed it was proof of human evolution. I'm not joking. Edited July 19, 2015 by toonotl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 How is that relevant? I've lived in France for a decade, it's relevant. Wasn't trying to be provocative, was just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17890 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yes. They are being compared and it is one of the reasons Froome is incredibly suspect. Froome has times on many well known climbs that are either close to or faster than well known dopers like Armstrong, Pantani, et al. At the time the Sky hierarchy claimed it was proof of human evolution. I'm not joking. Aye just had a Google and came up with this from 2013 with quotes from your mate Ross Tucker http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23368970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I've lived in France for a decade, it's relevant. Wasn't trying to be provocative, was just wondering. Sorry. I'm on edge. This is like my third disagreement on here in a week. Yeah. No one that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 No worries. I don't know enough about cycling to know if Froome is a cheat but it would surprise me on the basis that he rides for a British team and doping is just not cricket. I think that was the point you were making earlier about the British media. Think we will pop down to the Tuileries next Sunday and catch a bit of the atmosphere around the final stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21155 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Would be interesting to get a French take on it Chez. I know Brailsfraud was interviewed by French TV yesterday and when they asked him what the Dawgs weight was, he didnt know. The bloke should be in parliament the lying bald bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21155 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 PMSL "Times have changed. Everyone knows that," said Froome. "This isn't the Wild West that it was 10, 15 years ago. The Dawg has a short memory. CIRC & Contador spring to mind straight away.PSML http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33590228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yes. They are being compared and it is one of the reasons Froome is incredibly suspect. Froome has times on many well known climbs that are either close to or faster than well known dopers like Armstrong, Pantani, et al. At the time the Sky hierarchy claimed it was proof of human evolution. I'm not joking. conditions (tail/ head wind) and the ability to follow wheels and other aspects come into this. also the stuff about 800 watts and no realheartrate increase. ther'es a lag when you do a vo2 effort as your heart is called upon, dependant on your fitness that can take a short while (not minutes but seconds). he also jumped right onto the moto's wheel thus the real values (650Watts) are easier to acheive and keep a lid on, i mean even after doing 40 minutes at 335 watts i can still put out nearly 1000 watts for 20 seconds.... that was more time than froome gassed it for up Ventoux. I'm a different kind of rider though, more suited to sprinting up short hills rather than timetrialling up as he does. I see nothing too suspect, its all physiologically acceptable. i see a lot of fear as the other riders simply don't have an answer for him except making his team work for him, and hopefully working him over. the last few days in the alps are going to be great. did anyone see the itv interviewer eviscerate Laurent jalabert? thats a scummy doper. i find it an awful shame that he's getting treated like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3220 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Mate. Do you really think I haven't heard all of that before? Nothing your saying hasn't been addressed a thousand times. I really can't be bothered dealing with a WUM. Catch up. By the way though, I'll pass on your W no.s to the clinic for ya. What a relief it will be for them to finally have the data of an amateur cyclist to compare against Froome. Pity you're not quite the same type of rider as the Dawq though. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46696 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 To be fair like, he's at least putting something forward other than "I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAY, HE'S A DOPER, I'VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE. DINGO KILLED MY BABY." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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