Noah's ark found

[ChezGiven 0]

There's no such thing as Good science then, there is always an agenda or grant to be won

 

Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive.

 

Not getting into a long discussion on this, you won't convince me and I won't convince you.

 

Well no, you're not going to convince me of anything when you seem to have either completely ignored, or cannot answer, my perfectly reasonable question of how you select what to believe and what not to.

 

It's perfectly possible not to have a prior agenda in science and not all science is grant funded. What do you make of the work of Newton, Einstein, and Darwin? Anyway, as I suggested to Parky, technology is really just the application of science, and it works, end of story. Science is not completely incompatible with belief in the Abrahamic God only if you decide all the particularly absurd stuff is a metaphor. Which brings us back to my question, which you won't answer...........

 

 

Well you either believe in God or you don't, quite simple really. I would add that whilst I do, I also don't have much faith in organised religion, which is in essence the industrialisation of faith for profit IMO.

 

The scientists you mention are from the era before science became a truly big business, let alone the corporate monster it is today, when the quest for knowledge was more "pure" for want of a better word.

 

Just look at some of the BIG science subjects, they are in fact just theories, not proven in fact, Big bang, Dark matter etc. There's a lot of science done to support these theories, but where's the contra-science to disprove them??. There isn't any, because once a theory gathers pace the research grants and kudos come pouring in.

 

Best thing any scientist could come up with is a theory that sounds fucking great, could be possible, but is unprovable in fact, becasue the striving for that fact is what makes science the money machine it is. Dark matter and Big Bang, being a cases in point.

 

As an analogy to what I'm trying to say. I'm an IT project manager, when I get into a project test phase, I don't want my test teams to tell me it works (if everyone has done their jobs right of course it fucking works!!), I want them to tell be it doesn't, I want them to try and break every single important element of the functionality, I don't want to know what's good about it, I want to know what's bad and how bad. Because when they can't, job's a good'un.

 

I won't hear a word against funding the research into dark matter - its paying my daughters rent this summer

 

I would have loved to have been bright enough to become an astrophysicist, or a particle physicist, but I'm relatively shit at maths. The dark matter and dark energy story is fascinating, about a million times more interesting than theology. I'd also suggest that despite what toonpack says CERN is a good example of pure science which has little or no political bias or motivation - its pure research for the sake of it and will add knowledge to the world.

 

Its one of my biggest regrets/annoyances that physics and the sciences were taught so badly in my youth I never realised how fascinating they could be. I've taken a strong laymans interest since, but I have to confess I'm not giving her much help with her hiomework anymore

 

You must be dead proud, thats amazing she works there.

[spongebob toonpants 4183]

There's no such thing as Good science then, there is always an agenda or grant to be won

 

Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive.

 

Not getting into a long discussion on this, you won't convince me and I won't convince you.

 

Well no, you're not going to convince me of anything when you seem to have either completely ignored, or cannot answer, my perfectly reasonable question of how you select what to believe and what not to.

 

It's perfectly possible not to have a prior agenda in science and not all science is grant funded. What do you make of the work of Newton, Einstein, and Darwin? Anyway, as I suggested to Parky, technology is really just the application of science, and it works, end of story. Science is not completely incompatible with belief in the Abrahamic God only if you decide all the particularly absurd stuff is a metaphor. Which brings us back to my question, which you won't answer...........

 

 

Well you either believe in God or you don't, quite simple really. I would add that whilst I do, I also don't have much faith in organised religion, which is in essence the industrialisation of faith for profit IMO.

 

The scientists you mention are from the era before science became a truly big business, let alone the corporate monster it is today, when the quest for knowledge was more "pure" for want of a better word.

 

Just look at some of the BIG science subjects, they are in fact just theories, not proven in fact, Big bang, Dark matter etc. There's a lot of science done to support these theories, but where's the contra-science to disprove them??. There isn't any, because once a theory gathers pace the research grants and kudos come pouring in.

 

Best thing any scientist could come up with is a theory that sounds fucking great, could be possible, but is unprovable in fact, becasue the striving for that fact is what makes science the money machine it is. Dark matter and Big Bang, being a cases in point.

 

As an analogy to what I'm trying to say. I'm an IT project manager, when I get into a project test phase, I don't want my test teams to tell me it works (if everyone has done their jobs right of course it fucking works!!), I want them to tell be it doesn't, I want them to try and break every single important element of the functionality, I don't want to know what's good about it, I want to know what's bad and how bad. Because when they can't, job's a good'un.

 

I won't hear a word against funding the research into dark matter - its paying my daughters rent this summer

 

I would have loved to have been bright enough to become an astrophysicist, or a particle physicist, but I'm relatively shit at maths. The dark matter and dark energy story is fascinating, about a million times more interesting than theology. I'd also suggest that despite what toonpack says CERN is a good example of pure science which has little or no political bias or motivation - its pure research for the sake of it and will add knowledge to the world.

 

Its one of my biggest regrets/annoyances that physics and the sciences were taught so badly in my youth I never realised how fascinating they could be. I've taken a strong laymans interest since, but I have to confess I'm not giving her much help with her hiomework anymore

 

You must be dead proud, thats amazing she works there.

 

She's not working there, still a student, but her degree has paid research placement during the summer breaks. Luckily she's got the work ehtic to go with the brains. But yes I am dead proud

[Park Life 71]

There's no such thing as Good science then, there is always an agenda or grant to be won

 

Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive.

 

Not getting into a long discussion on this, you won't convince me and I won't convince you.

 

Well no, you're not going to convince me of anything when you seem to have either completely ignored, or cannot answer, my perfectly reasonable question of how you select what to believe and what not to.

 

It's perfectly possible not to have a prior agenda in science and not all science is grant funded. What do you make of the work of Newton, Einstein, and Darwin? Anyway, as I suggested to Parky, technology is really just the application of science, and it works, end of story. Science is not completely incompatible with belief in the Abrahamic God only if you decide all the particularly absurd stuff is a metaphor. Which brings us back to my question, which you won't answer...........

 

 

Well you either believe in God or you don't, quite simple really. I would add that whilst I do, I also don't have much faith in organised religion, which is in essence the industrialisation of faith for profit IMO.

 

The scientists you mention are from the era before science became a truly big business, let alone the corporate monster it is today, when the quest for knowledge was more "pure" for want of a better word.

 

Just look at some of the BIG science subjects, they are in fact just theories, not proven in fact, Big bang, Dark matter etc. There's a lot of science done to support these theories, but where's the contra-science to disprove them??. There isn't any, because once a theory gathers pace the research grants and kudos come pouring in.

 

Best thing any scientist could come up with is a theory that sounds fucking great, could be possible, but is unprovable in fact, becasue the striving for that fact is what makes science the money machine it is. Dark matter and Big Bang, being a cases in point.

 

As an analogy to what I'm trying to say. I'm an IT project manager, when I get into a project test phase, I don't want my test teams to tell me it works (if everyone has done their jobs right of course it fucking works!!), I want them to tell be it doesn't, I want them to try and break every single important element of the functionality, I don't want to know what's good about it, I want to know what's bad and how bad. Because when they can't, job's a good'un.

 

I won't hear a word against funding the research into dark matter - its paying my daughters rent this summer

 

I would have loved to have been bright enough to become an astrophysicist, or a particle physicist, but I'm relatively shit at maths. The dark matter and dark energy story is fascinating, about a million times more interesting than theology. I'd also suggest that despite what toonpack says CERN is a good example of pure science which has little or no political bias or motivation - its pure research for the sake of it and will add knowledge to the world.

 

Its one of my biggest regrets/annoyances that physics and the sciences were taught so badly in my youth I never realised how fascinating they could be. I've taken a strong laymans interest since, but I have to confess I'm not giving her much help with her hiomework anymore

 

You must be dead proud, thats amazing she works there.

 

She's not working there, still a student, but her degree has paid research placement during the summer breaks. Luckily she's got the work ehtic to go with the brains. But yes I am dead proud

 

Has she got her eyes on dark matter?

[Toonpack 10414]

Most stories from ancient times have, at their heart, a basis in truth. A vast flood in a (by todays standards) local area would have been seen as a world event thousands of years ago. Rationalise that out and you can easily come to a view that it happened, and why not Noah.

 

Which isn't a lot different to what you said.

 

I could ask for clarification what you do believe but that's not really the point. I was more trying to establish how you choose what to believe and what not to, out of curiousity. I accept a lot of this is personal and/or can't be rationalised at the end of the day though.

 

I believe in God, end of, have never and would never go through the bible and say yep that happened or no that's bollocks, haven't got the time or inclination.

 

Can't rationalise it I'm afraid, I also (however irrational it may sound) have no doubt in my mind. I also have some very un-christian views on other matters, but hey ho that's the way I am.

[Guest alex]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

[Toonpack 10414]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

[Guest alex]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

[Toonpack 10414]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

 

Never denied it:

 

I also have some very un-christian views on other matters

 

I guess I'm "eye for an eye" sort of bloke in some respects, or maybe even take the eye before the other bugger's even thought about taking yours (because they will eventually) sort of bloke

[Guest alex]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

 

Never denied it:

 

I also have some very un-christian views on other matters

 

I guess I'm "eye for an eye" sort of bloke in some respects, or maybe even take the eye before the other bugger's even thought about taking yours (because they will eventually) sort of bloke

Which makes you a Christian nominally only, which is the exact point I was making.

[Toonpack 10414]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

 

Never denied it:

 

I also have some very un-christian views on other matters

 

I guess I'm "eye for an eye" sort of bloke in some respects, or maybe even take the eye before the other bugger's even thought about taking yours (because they will eventually) sort of bloke

Which makes you a Christian nominally only, which is the exact point I was making.

 

Never said I was Christian, just that I believe in God

[Guest alex]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

 

Never denied it:

 

I also have some very un-christian views on other matters

 

I guess I'm "eye for an eye" sort of bloke in some respects, or maybe even take the eye before the other bugger's even thought about taking yours (because they will eventually) sort of bloke

Which makes you a Christian nominally only, which is the exact point I was making.

 

Never said I was Christian, just that I believe in God

And the bits of the Bible that suited you.

[Toonpack 10414]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

Absolutely. Where did I say it wasn't, I never even mentioned it, or said anything that resembles the point of your post.

You come across as pretty intolerant in general tbf. Hardly adhering to the teachings of your Lord. Your answer to the Middle East problems is behave or we'll bomb the fuck out of you, isn't it?

 

Never denied it:

 

I also have some very un-christian views on other matters

 

I guess I'm "eye for an eye" sort of bloke in some respects, or maybe even take the eye before the other bugger's even thought about taking yours (because they will eventually) sort of bloke

Which makes you a Christian nominally only, which is the exact point I was making.

 

Never said I was Christian, just that I believe in God

And the bits of the Bible that suited you.

 

Never said that either

[The Fish 11080]

This is my church, this is where I heal my hurts.

[Rob W 0]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

 

He doesn't seem to have told many Christians about the Icelandic Ash Cloud............................... "in & out running" as the racing fraternity term it

[The Fish 11080]

I can see why you expected ridicule like. Do you not think the teachings of Jesus are a more important part of the Christian faith than the notion God warns a chosen few about some bad shit about to go down when the fancy takes him? Jesus wept!

 

 

He doesn't seem to have told many Christians about the Icelandic Ash Cloud............................... "in & out running" as the racing fraternity term it

or about the tsunami... or the earthquakes... or much of anything really.

[Rob W 0]

or even relegation last season!!!!!!