Noah's ark found

[ChezGiven 0]

Btw, surely there's not enough water in the world for the flood to have been possible. I bet they don't answer that question.

 

I'm sure this has been justified by saying there must have been more water in the past which has evaporated into space. I think some physicists have claculated the excess water would have severely affected the Earths tilt and orbit though (apart from the evaporation bit being bollocks).

 

I saw a calculation based on the volume required to cover the earth to any kind of depth (never mind to cover Everest) which came up with a ludicrous amount of water which would have needed millions of years to fall as rain.

 

Of course the writers thought the world was a tad smaller than it actually is.

 

 

In general it's the old argument - if you want to believe in the God you say you do than he could have just clicked his fingers to drown the planet without rain so don't try and mix science in with your total bollocks.

 

Would you need that much water for a meteor strike and a possible resultant tsunami rushing across lowland Europe?

Indeed. I thought 2012 explained all this?

[Park Life 71]

Btw, surely there's not enough water in the world for the flood to have been possible. I bet they don't answer that question.

 

I'm sure this has been justified by saying there must have been more water in the past which has evaporated into space. I think some physicists have claculated the excess water would have severely affected the Earths tilt and orbit though (apart from the evaporation bit being bollocks).

 

I saw a calculation based on the volume required to cover the earth to any kind of depth (never mind to cover Everest) which came up with a ludicrous amount of water which would have needed millions of years to fall as rain.

 

Of course the writers thought the world was a tad smaller than it actually is.

 

 

In general it's the old argument - if you want to believe in the God you say you do than he could have just clicked his fingers to drown the planet without rain so don't try and mix science in with your total bollocks.

 

Would you need that much water for a meteor strike and a possible resultant tsunami rushing across lowland Europe?

Indeed. I thought 2012 explained all this?

 

[NJS 4446]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

[Park Life 71]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

 

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on? Surely that is as much a belief systim? Yes? As you were.

[Guest alex]

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on?

How can one not doubt it?

[NJS 4446]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

 

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on? Surely that is as much a belief systim? Yes? As you were.

 

Theres no positive evidence which is where the requirement lies. I just said I don't mind contemplating before dismissing it - unlike the Theist Gods which aren't even worth that much effort.

[Park Life 71]

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on?

How can one not doubt it?

 

[Park Life 71]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

 

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on? Surely that is as much a belief systim? Yes? As you were.

 

Theres no positive evidence which is where the requirement lies. I just said I don't mind contemplating before dismissing it - unlike the Theist Gods which aren't even worth that much effort.

 

Yeah but tbh we are like a grain of sand at the backof the beach arguing the sea don't exist.

[Park Life 71]

[Meenzer 15871]

Ahh, Mount Ararat. The national symbol of Armenia and home of the gods in Armenian mythology. Even though it's in Turkey. Poor buggers.

[Guest alex]

Isn't the point here about man-made religions being just that? The unprovable (non-)existence of a universal creator is another thing really.

[Park Life 71]

Isn't the point here about man-made religions being just that? The unprovable (non-)existence of a universal creator is another thing really.

 

[spongebob toonpants 4183]

He drinks Special Brew and hangs around in the local library iirc.

 

One of the things in Dogma I love is the idea that God visits anonymously to do things he likes.

 

I love that film

[Park Life 71]

 

 

 

igitalGlobe's QuickBird commercial remote sensing satellite imaged the Mt. Ararat "anomaly" in 2003. This image has never seen by the public until now. The anomaly is surrounded below by very rugged-looking strato-volcanic rock; however, the texture of the feature in question is relatively smooth and appears to be made of a different substance. Credit: DigitalGlobe

 

 

Case closed, break out the bread and wine yo!!

Edited April 28, 2010 by Park Life

[trophyshy 7098]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

 

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on? Surely that is as much a belief systim? Yes? As you were.

 

 

[acrossthepond 901]

The trouble with the Old Testament is that (in my opinion) it's mostly meant to be allegorical, which people unfortunately don't understand. So they scurry off looking for Arks and the like that never existed, at least not in the form they expect.

 

I think there was a vast flood and that God told Noah to build a boat and put his family and other necessities on it so he would survive. I don't think the flood wiped out humanity, I don't think the Ark had two of every animal on it, etc etc. Those embellishments are mythology, and the point of the story isn't that Noah and his family repopulated the earth or any of that, but that Noah had faith in God, even though the others mocked him for building his boat in the desert and made him doubt, and that faith was repaid. I could be wrong, but that's what I take away from the Noah story.

[ChezGiven 0]

Are you discounting the existence of god based on your knowledge of a tiny little planet in a dinky silly little solar sytem on the edge of a minute wheel galaxy?

 

I don't mind contemplating a Deist God who may have created the universe - though I doubt he exists - but that concept does not relate in anyway to man made Gods like Yahweh.

 

How can you doubt something exists if you have no data to go on? Surely that is as much a belief systim? Yes? As you were.

 

 

 

Saw a funny variation of that on a bog once.

[NJS 4446]

The trouble with the Old Testament is that (in my opinion) it's mostly meant to be allegorical, which people unfortunately don't understand. So they scurry off looking for Arks and the like that never existed, at least not in the form they expect.

 

I think there was a vast flood and that God told Noah to build a boat and put his family and other necessities on it so he would survive. I don't think the flood wiped out humanity, I don't think the Ark had two of every animal on it, etc etc. Those embellishments are mythology, and the point of the story isn't that Noah and his family repopulated the earth or any of that, but that Noah had faith in God, even though the others mocked him for building his boat in the desert and made him doubt, and that faith was repaid. I could be wrong, but that's what I take away from the Noah story.

 

Not a bad moral in context but as I said that ignores the genocide angle of the tale.

 

It's like the tale of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son - you can say it shows that faith is rewarded and that God is loving for sparing the son but at the same time it's fuck off mental cruelty to even ask it of someone even knowing you're going to let them off - again not exactly a "good" God.

 

I realise that there is a dichotomy between the God of the OT who should be feared and the NT /Koran who should be loved but that's some level of schizoprenia to get over.

[ewerk 31597]

As I said before, the bibles and religions are all man-made. Fair enough if they're used as a way to channel your faith but to follow the teachings of either without question is fucking stupid.

Edited April 28, 2010 by ewerk

[sandman02uk 0]

What a crock of shit. Imagine how big the boat would have to be to take every species of animal, and you'd be able to see it from fucking space. How much wood would have to be used? how did Noah create the different conditions for each animal (e.g. rainforest or arctic tundra)? And why is there no evidence of a worldwide flood at this time? Then there is the genetic evidence. If every animal came from just 2-7 creatures, they'd be hideously inbred.

 

I bet it was some sort of art project that was created thousands of years ago to confuse tourists, which was forgotten about.

 

Fuck off man, have you been out of a night in blackburn?

[Rob W 0]

could have been some folk memory about the time the Med and the Black Sea flooded - they reckon that the med was coming up at 10 m a day once the Straits of Gibraltar was breached and the water started to come in from the Atlantic

[Guest alex]

could have been some folk memory about the time the Med and the Black Sea flooded - they reckon that the med was coming up at 10 m a day once the Straits of Gibraltar was breached and the water started to come in from the Atlantic

Folk tales loosely based on fact ascribed to the work of Yahweh at a later date probably sums up most of the Old Testament when you think about it.

Edited April 28, 2010 by alex

[Renton 22445]

The trouble with the Old Testament is that (in my opinion) it's mostly meant to be allegorical, which people unfortunately don't understand. So they scurry off looking for Arks and the like that never existed, at least not in the form they expect.

 

I think there was a vast flood and that God told Noah to build a boat and put his family and other necessities on it so he would survive. I don't think the flood wiped out humanity, I don't think the Ark had two of every animal on it, etc etc. Those embellishments are mythology, and the point of the story isn't that Noah and his family repopulated the earth or any of that, but that Noah had faith in God, even though the others mocked him for building his boat in the desert and made him doubt, and that faith was repaid. I could be wrong, but that's what I take away from the Noah story.

 

What do you base the bolded bit on?

 

Do you not think you might be cherrypicking bits you like or seem acceptable to you?

[Lazarus 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

[Kitman 2207]

So Noah and his family were the only people saved and it was his sons that then repopulated the world

 

Thats Noah, his wife and their three sons saved out of all mankind...

 

so who did the lads hump to get us going again?

 

I expect the chimpanzees had a haunted look.......