Newcastle want director of football

[Happy Face 29]

I think I'll send my CV in.

 

I'd love to do a George Costanza style interview with Llambias....

 

http://www.spike.com/video/seinfeld-seasons-5-6/2684255

[PaddockLad 17654]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

[Andrew 4857]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

[Happy Face 29]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

 

That's the pivotal part of the role.

 

It provides a recruitment structure that doesn't rely on the least tenable position at the club - team coach/manager. Every new manager has their own ideas so the squad needs another £30m+ rebuild after each change. Ashley doesn't like that level of uncertainty.

 

If it was any other way they'd be appointing a new scout.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Happy Face

[PaddockLad 17654]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

 

That's the pivotal part of the role.

 

It provides a recruitment structure that doesn't rely on the least tenable position at the club - team coach/manager. Every new manager has their own ideas so the squad needs another £30m+ rebuild after each change. Ashley doesn't like that level of uncertainty.

 

If it was any other way they'd be appointing a new scout.

 

Thats all fair enough, but it doesnt address the bottom line in the system....who has the final say in which players comes into the club?

 

If it is to be Hughton, theres no need for a DoF.

 

If not, he's going to feel undermined before he even thinks about which players he could bring in.....and it will be his head of the chopping block come December and we're possibly in the bottom 3, not the dear old DoF.Why should Hughton have to take the responsbility for someone else's picks? We're not Real Madrid, and look how well it works there...the thick part of 300mill last summer and they're going to win fuck all. It just doesnt work in the long run, especially in this country.

[Guest alex]

At the risk of repeating myself, why not just get a chairman who can actually do the job?

[ewerk 31202]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

 

That's the pivotal part of the role.

 

It provides a recruitment structure that doesn't rely on the least tenable position at the club - team coach/manager. Every new manager has their own ideas so the squad needs another £30m+ rebuild after each change. Ashley doesn't like that level of uncertainty.

 

If it was any other way they'd be appointing a new scout.

 

Well that's the theory, it assumes that the DoF is making the right transfers, chances are that if a manager gets the boot then it's partly because he has the wrong players.

[Happy Face 29]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

 

That's the pivotal part of the role.

 

It provides a recruitment structure that doesn't rely on the least tenable position at the club - team coach/manager. Every new manager has their own ideas so the squad needs another £30m+ rebuild after each change. Ashley doesn't like that level of uncertainty.

 

If it was any other way they'd be appointing a new scout.

 

Thats all fair enough, but it doesnt address the bottom line in the system....who has the final say in which players comes into the club?

 

If it is to be Hughton, theres no need for a DoF.

 

If not, he's going to feel undermined before he even thinks about which players he could bring in.....and it will be his head of the chopping block come December and we're possibly in the bottom 3, not the dear old DoF.Why should Hughton have to take the responsbility for someone else's picks? We're not Real Madrid, and look how well it works there...the thick part of 300mill last summer and they're going to win fuck all. It just doesnt work in the long run, especially in this country.

 

I think it does address that. Like i said, I think they'd intend the DOF to have final say because theoretically it makes the club more stable. If that wasn't the case it would just be a scouting role.

 

I completely agree with you on what will happen in practice though.

[Happy Face 29]

Any appointment of a DoF undermines Hughton straight away, does he really need that in his posistion?

 

I just don't understand it....will Chris be allowed to pick his own players to bring in?...the answer to us via the press will be a resounding "yes".Well in that case Lambchop and Ashley can go out and fuckin buy them then. Its not rocket science. If they trust Hughton, its a no brainer. Look at the mess it caused last time. If theres anything in this story it proves George Caulkin right when he says these pricks are incapable of making two good decisions in a row

 

 

it does if this guy has more power over choices than hughton, that was the issue with wise/keegan MA was stupid enough to listen to wise rather than keegan when the two disagreed

 

That's the pivotal part of the role.

 

It provides a recruitment structure that doesn't rely on the least tenable position at the club - team coach/manager. Every new manager has their own ideas so the squad needs another £30m+ rebuild after each change. Ashley doesn't like that level of uncertainty.

 

If it was any other way they'd be appointing a new scout.

 

Well that's the theory, it assumes that the DoF is making the right transfers, chances are that if a manager gets the boot then it's partly because he has the wrong players.

 

Absolutley. In theory, it makes perfect business sense to have a DOF....which I guess is why Ashley is still convinced that's the way to go. The fact the system has failed at any English club that has tried to implement it seems not to have sunk in.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Happy Face

[PaddockLad 17654]

At the risk of repeating myself, why not just get a chairman who can actually do the job?

 

To me it's irrelvent what the title is, as long as theres someone at the club responsible for going out and negotiating transfer deals once players required are identified, and is good at it.

 

Did lambchop allow Given to go to Man City last January and told the richest club in world football it was ok to pay in installments?

 

That alone should've got him the sack.

 

If Ashley needs him there as some sort of "security blanket" then put him in charge of toilet rolls or paper clips in the office.

[ewerk 31202]

If Ashley needs him there as some sort of "security blanket" then put him in charge of toilet rolls or paper clips in the office.

 

Or he thought that he'd be comparatively less hated by having an even bigger cunt working for the club.

[JawD 99]

At the risk of repeating myself, why not just get a chairman who can actually do the job?

 

Dont be so frigging obvious man

[Giraffidae 0]

At the risk of repeating myself, why not just get a chairman who can actually do the job?

 

eh? Didn’t you know that it’s so easy to run a football club, even sports shop owner can get his casino manager mate to do a good job of it.

 

No worries, if they can get Kinnear and Wise in, then they must know the right people/mates.

[Christmas Tree 4827]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

[johnny tightlips 0]

As HF says - it makes perfect sense execpt it never seems to work in practice. All of the people named above will look like a manager in waiting from the moment they arrive. Its a shame we can't find someone ( a healthy SBR would have been perfect) who could come in and help CH without looking like they would leap into the job given half a chance.

[PaddockLad 17654]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

[ewerk 31202]

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments

 

I never claimed to have that much influence on Ashley

[ewerk 31202]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

And the January transfer window was also a disaster for them.

[Christmas Tree 4827]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

 

The bottom line is we are back in the big league, big fees, big (er) stars, bigger agents, bigger wages etc. Ashley will not want Hughton to take all that on and knows himself and Llambias cant.

 

Hughton also comes across as the type who would rather be out there coaching than negogiating with Agents.

 

As Alex mentioned other clubs have good CEO's that handle this. He wont sack Llambias so the next best option is too appoint a new CEO but call him a director of football.

 

Im really excited about the summer months.

[PaddockLad 17654]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

 

The bottom line is we are back in the big league, big fees, big (er) stars, bigger agents, bigger wages etc. Ashley will not want Hughton to take all that on and knows himself and Llambias cant.

 

Hughton also comes across as the type who would rather be out there coaching than negogiating with Agents.

 

As Alex mentioned other clubs have good CEO's that handle this. He wont sack Llambias so the next best option is too appoint a new CEO but call him a director of football.

 

Im really excited about the summer months.

ok fair one, but why does it have to be a football man as that would just undermine Hughton before he's even finished his list of players he wants?

 

Appoint a deal maker,a good negotiater and someone who can close by all means, but dont send a "we dont trust you"message to Hughton before he even starts the job.

[Dr Gloom 22149]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

 

The bottom line is we are back in the big league, big fees, big (er) stars, bigger agents, bigger wages etc. Ashley will not want Hughton to take all that on and knows himself and Llambias cant.

 

Hughton also comes across as the type who would rather be out there coaching than negogiating with Agents.

 

As Alex mentioned other clubs have good CEO's that handle this. He wont sack Llambias so the next best option is too appoint a new CEO but call him a director of football.

 

Im really excited about the summer months.

 

i think you might have a point to be fair. i'm not a fan of the dof model usually as there will always be the inevitable clashes over who decides on transfers - keegan being a case in point.

 

but hughton is a far more junior figure than keegan, lhe has ess of an ego and isn't as big a personality. it might be that he's happy for a technical head to come in and help identify and sign players so he just has to concentrate on coaching them.

 

it's a big if mind. potentially could go tits up again. hughton might not be game. appointing the right man is also key. we don't need another dennis wise type coming in and signing dodgy players off the back of youtube or to keep south american agents onside

[Christmas Tree 4827]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

 

The bottom line is we are back in the big league, big fees, big (er) stars, bigger agents, bigger wages etc. Ashley will not want Hughton to take all that on and knows himself and Llambias cant.

 

Hughton also comes across as the type who would rather be out there coaching than negogiating with Agents.

 

As Alex mentioned other clubs have good CEO's that handle this. He wont sack Llambias so the next best option is too appoint a new CEO but call him a director of football.

 

Im really excited about the summer months.

ok fair one, but why does it have to be a football man as that would just undermine Hughton before he's even finished his list of players he wants?

 

Appoint a deal maker,a good negotiater and someone who can close by all means, but dont send a "we dont trust you"message to Hughton before he even starts the job.

 

 

My understanding of a "football man" IS a deal maker / negogiater like David Dein etc. The football man bit to me just means that he has experience doing these things in football.

 

I totally agree that an ex manager doing the job seems problematic.

[Christmas Tree 4827]

This time they are expected to go for an experienced operator who will already have the contacts to operate at boardroom level and deal with transfers and player contracts.

 

IF its a true story then this is the line that matters. This suggest a substantial operator rather than a JFK / Oleary personality.

 

There is no way Ashley is going to get rid of LLambias because of Ewerks comments and also because he trusts him to run things for him. The have however, rightly, identified a huge gap at the club and if they find a good operator I welcome this move.

 

I also think Hughton would welcome it. Ashley and Llambias have been doing the role so far so Im sure Hughton would welcome a proper football man to fight his battles upstairs.

 

Well yeah, but name somewhere in this country where that has actually worked?

 

The latest one is Billy Davies at Forest....he's a fuckin dick,granted, but he has to report to David Pleat. He wanted to bring players in in March to make a final push for the top 2 places but just eneded up in a slanging match with Pleat and other board members. Whatever my own personal feelings towards him are, he's got proven ability as a football manager.Why won't Pleat back him up, being a fellow "football man" as you put it?

 

 

The bottom line is we are back in the big league, big fees, big (er) stars, bigger agents, bigger wages etc. Ashley will not want Hughton to take all that on and knows himself and Llambias cant.

 

Hughton also comes across as the type who would rather be out there coaching than negogiating with Agents.

 

As Alex mentioned other clubs have good CEO's that handle this. He wont sack Llambias so the next best option is too appoint a new CEO but call him a director of football.

 

Im really excited about the summer months.

 

i think you might have a point to be fair. i'm not a fan of the dof model usually as there will always be the inevitable clashes over who decides on transfers - keegan being a case in point.

 

but hughton is a far more junior figure than keegan, lhe has ess of an ego and isn't as big a personality. it might be that he's happy for a technical head to come in and help identify and sign players so he just has to concentrate on coaching them.

 

it's a big if mind. potentially could go tits up again. hughton might not be game. appointing the right man is also key. we don't need another dennis wise type coming in and signing dodgy players off the back of youtube or to keep south american agents onside

 

I think its also worthwhile bearing in mind that (even though it seems alien) Hughton, Llambias and Ashley have a relationship based on TRUST.

 

It might even be that Chris has asked for help. (would be a wise decision if he has). Let someone else get bogged down in an office and concentrate on winning games.

[Happy Face 29]

By the way...does this all stem from a post on the journal forum and Geordies.net ffs?

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...q=&gs_rfai=

 

Edited April 26, 2010 by Happy Face

[ewerk 31202]

I think its also worthwhile bearing in mind that (even though it seems alien) Hughton, Llambias and Ashley have a relationship based on TRUST.

 

Really? I thought their relationship was based on the fact that Hughton was cheap and unlikely to cause them any boardroom problems.