Newcastle United's Player Of The Season - 2010.

[Renton 21985]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

Well Percy goes to all the home games, I do as well, don't know about anyone else? Does all of the people who put Jose top of the pops go to the matches? Who knows? Am I right in thinking that as someone doesn't agree with your opinion then in your mind they mustn't go to the games? Because thats how your post looks to me. For me Jose's looked our best player but Nolan's been the most important, the goals which have turned one point into three like Preston away, the goals which have turned games like Sheff Wed or getting last minute winners against Doncaster, they are the games that get points on the board and points make prizes! Would Smithy have scored any of those chances? Would any of our midfielders? Nolan did. Yes he struggled at times, yes he might get the runaround next year, but for all the reasons explained he gets my vote. And thats no slight on Jose either, he's been top notch and his goal will probably be most peoples favourite goal this season.

 

Put me in the ST camp who voted for Nolan. I agree entirely with this post, it comes across as a pretty patronising argument to suggest that people who value Nolan's contribution most either don't go to matches, don't appreciate a good defence, only rememeber the last two months, and/or only remember goals.

 

Enrique's won the poll anyway ffs and there are still accusations people are 'following the masses' by selecting Nolan.

[Guest alex]

Can't believe people are picking Nolan ahead of Enrique tbh. It emphasises Alex hold over the masses on here tbh. It's not even an argument JE has been by a million miles our best player, in many games Nolan has been shite, he was shite in Jan and Feb, and while he's contributed over all with his goals here and there (and hes nee David Platt in that regard), we've been amazin goin forward and defensively down the left mainly due to Enrique. 65% my arse.

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[Guest Barrack Road]

Can't believe people are picking Nolan ahead of Enrique tbh. It emphasises Alex hold over the masses on here tbh. It's not even an argument JE has been by a million miles our best player, in many games Nolan has been shite, he was shite in Jan and Feb, and while he's contributed over all with his goals here and there (and hes nee David Platt in that regard), we've been amazin goin forward and defensively down the left mainly due to Enrique. 65% my arse.

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What?

[AgentAxeman 189]

I voted for Enrique. Nolan was a close 2nd for me but Rickys had the best season out of the 2.

 

 

 

(imo)

[David Kelly 1260]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

Well Percy goes to all the home games, I do as well, don't know about anyone else? Does all of the people who put Jose top of the pops go to the matches? Who knows? Am I right in thinking that as someone doesn't agree with your opinion then in your mind they mustn't go to the games? Because thats how your post looks to me. For me Jose's looked our best player but Nolan's been the most important, the goals which have turned one point into three like Preston away, the goals which have turned games like Sheff Wed or getting last minute winners against Doncaster, they are the games that get points on the board and points make prizes! Would Smithy have scored any of those chances? Would any of our midfielders? Nolan did. Yes he struggled at times, yes he might get the runaround next year, but for all the reasons explained he gets my vote. And thats no slight on Jose either, he's been top notch and his goal will probably be most peoples favourite goal this season.

 

Put me in the ST camp who voted for Nolan. I agree entirely with this post, it comes across as a pretty patronising argument to suggest that people who value Nolan's contribution most either don't go to matches, don't appreciate a good defence, only rememeber the last two months, and/or only remember goals.

 

Enrique's won the poll anyway ffs and there are still accusations people are 'following the masses' by selecting Nolan.

I wasn't being patronising I was asking a serious question because as I said I hadn't come across a single person at the match who would have said Nolan. I don't think it's an unreasonable point to make that people who had only seen highlights or read match reports would more likey pick Nolan because they would have seen and heard much more of him than Jose. It would be perfectly understandable to me.

And I do appreciate the point about the importance of Nolans goals, personally I don't agree that it's been a more important contribution than Ricky's but it's certainly right up there.

More than anything else I am just surprised by the level of support Nolan has had because I can't remember seeing a great deal of praise for him on here all season. If anything it's seemed the opposite to me.

[David Kelly 1260]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

 

 

Well speaking only for myself I am a season ticket holder and i voted for Nolan. Goals have been crucial and he has been a proper leader and as the squad stands should be made captain in my opinion. Its part sad / part amusing that a few people on this thread just can't handle a contrary opinion! Sure Nolan's form dipped at various points but somewhere on this thread someone says (can't be bothered to track back) that he turned in the most inept performance he 'd ever seen.

Now I suppose it depends how far you go back (early 70's for me) but we have had any number of poorer players / performances than Kevin Nolan at his worst!Actually as exhibit "A" I'd go back no further than post Christmas Micky Owen on that one!

 

There is of course a case for Collo, Jose, Jonas to be player of the season (for as much as it actually matters like!) but certainly for his goals Nolan has to be a contender and on that basis so has Andy Carroll. And had his contribution (obviously due to terrible personal circumstances) not been so "half a season" then Lovenkrands would have been a contender also. To repeat from my first post Champions have lots of contenders and therefore opinions will vary! Just relax everyone!

Fair point I wouldn't argue with any of this.

[Guest alex]

Think Nolan won me over in terms of performances over the last two months or so. It's become apparent that Smith rather than him was the problem with the lack of football being played. He's looked a lot better in his allround play alongside Guthrie in the middle. I would reiterate that he got my nod in terms of importance to the side. If you're on about marks out of ten or whatever over the season it would be Enrique without a doubt. Enrique is also a much better player and I'd agree with Tooj that it would be the right time to sell Nolan.

I have a season ticket as well btw

[OTF 7485]

Enrique's won the poll anyway ffs and there are still accusations people are 'following the masses' by selecting Nolan.

 

<shuts up>

 

[David Kelly 1260]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

Well Percy goes to all the home games, I do as well, don't know about anyone else? Does all of the people who put Jose top of the pops go to the matches? Who knows? Am I right in thinking that as someone doesn't agree with your opinion then in your mind they mustn't go to the games? Because thats how your post looks to me. For me Jose's looked our best player but Nolan's been the most important, the goals which have turned one point into three like Preston away, the goals which have turned games like Sheff Wed or getting last minute winners against Doncaster, they are the games that get points on the board and points make prizes! Would Smithy have scored any of those chances? Would any of our midfielders? Nolan did. Yes he struggled at times, yes he might get the runaround next year, but for all the reasons explained he gets my vote. And thats no slight on Jose either, he's been top notch and his goal will probably be most peoples favourite goal this season.

 

 

Good thread ending post

It's not though is it. Nolans goals have been invaluable and no ones denied that. But comparing them to what Smith or any of our other midfielders may or may not have done is irrelevant since this agrument is between Nolan and Enrique.

If you've watched a lot of games this season and you feel Nolan's goals are more deserving of winning the vote than Enrique's performances then fair enough, I dissagree but there's nothing wrong with that.

 

My initial argument was with you CT anyway because you praised Nolan's performances (I think you're pretty much alone on that one) which wouldn't have even had Nolan in the running to win this poll.

[David Kelly 1260]

Think Nolan won me over in terms of performances over the last two months or so. It's become apparent that Smith rather than him was the problem with the lack of football being played. He's looked a lot better in his allround play alongside Guthrie in the middle. I would reiterate that he got my nod in terms of importance to the side. If you're on about marks out of ten or whatever over the season it would be Enrique without a doubt. Enrique is also a much better player and I'd agree with Tooj that it would be the right time to sell Nolan.

I have a season ticket as well btw

That's ok then Alex, your opinon counts

 

With regards to Nolan's performances over the last two months (and btw is this not backing up part of my argument when you consider his performances prior to that?), do you not think the introduction of Routledge is a major factor here? With him and Jonas both playing we can stretch the play and attack down both flanks (somthing we struggled with when one of Gutherie, Barton or Raylor were playing there).

If Smith had been playing alongside Gutherie during this period we may well have seen similar improvements from him.

[Renton 21985]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

Well Percy goes to all the home games, I do as well, don't know about anyone else? Does all of the people who put Jose top of the pops go to the matches? Who knows? Am I right in thinking that as someone doesn't agree with your opinion then in your mind they mustn't go to the games? Because thats how your post looks to me. For me Jose's looked our best player but Nolan's been the most important, the goals which have turned one point into three like Preston away, the goals which have turned games like Sheff Wed or getting last minute winners against Doncaster, they are the games that get points on the board and points make prizes! Would Smithy have scored any of those chances? Would any of our midfielders? Nolan did. Yes he struggled at times, yes he might get the runaround next year, but for all the reasons explained he gets my vote. And thats no slight on Jose either, he's been top notch and his goal will probably be most peoples favourite goal this season.

 

 

Good thread ending post

It's not though is it. Nolans goals have been invaluable and no ones denied that. But comparing them to what Smith or any of our other midfielders may or may not have done is irrelevant since this agrument is between Nolan and Enrique.

If you've watched a lot of games this season and you feel Nolan's goals are more deserving of winning the vote than Enrique's performances then fair enough, I dissagree but there's nothing wrong with that.

 

My initial argument was with you CT anyway because you praised Nolan's performances (I think you're pretty much alone on that one) which wouldn't have even had Nolan in the running to win this poll.

 

I'd actually argue Nolan contributed more than just his goals tbf. Also is it fair to ask how we did when Enrique was out the team? Iirc we did alright.

 

As has been pointed out though, I think there's confusion over who was most important/who was best. Enrique comfortably wins the latter category and is now probably our most valuable player in monetary terms. But he still has to prove it in the PL.

[Guest alex]

Think Nolan won me over in terms of performances over the last two months or so. It's become apparent that Smith rather than him was the problem with the lack of football being played. He's looked a lot better in his allround play alongside Guthrie in the middle. I would reiterate that he got my nod in terms of importance to the side. If you're on about marks out of ten or whatever over the season it would be Enrique without a doubt. Enrique is also a much better player and I'd agree with Tooj that it would be the right time to sell Nolan.

I have a season ticket as well btw

That's ok then Alex, your opinon counts

 

With regards to Nolan's performances over the last two months (and btw is this not backing up part of my argument when you consider his performances prior to that?), do you not think the introduction of Routledge is a major factor here? With him and Jonas both playing we can stretch the play and attack down both flanks (somthing we struggled with when one of Gutherie, Barton or Raylor were playing there).

If Smith had been playing alongside Gutherie during this period we may well have seen similar improvements from him.

Good point. Routledge was just what we needed in January as Jonas was the only proper wide man (I know there's Pancrate but he's obviously not considered good enough by Hughton - or me). He definitely gave a greater attacking impetus to the side just when we looked like we might get overhauled by West Brom and / or Forest. I don't think Smith would've scored as many goals mind

[David Kelly 1260]

Am I right in thinking that quite a large number of the people voting for Nolan aren't season ticket holders? Which would make sense since his goals would stand out to them more than Ricky's more quietly excellent performances all season.

I can honestly say that i've never spoken to anyone who regularly goes to the match who would pick anyone but Ricky and in fact most of them are quite scathing about Nolan. I think if this poll had been run two months ago Nolan wouldn't even be in the running.

 

It's also interesting to note that Ricky, Colo, Jonas and Lovenkrands all have songs sung about them but I've never heard anyone sing for Nolan.

Well Percy goes to all the home games, I do as well, don't know about anyone else? Does all of the people who put Jose top of the pops go to the matches? Who knows? Am I right in thinking that as someone doesn't agree with your opinion then in your mind they mustn't go to the games? Because thats how your post looks to me. For me Jose's looked our best player but Nolan's been the most important, the goals which have turned one point into three like Preston away, the goals which have turned games like Sheff Wed or getting last minute winners against Doncaster, they are the games that get points on the board and points make prizes! Would Smithy have scored any of those chances? Would any of our midfielders? Nolan did. Yes he struggled at times, yes he might get the runaround next year, but for all the reasons explained he gets my vote. And thats no slight on Jose either, he's been top notch and his goal will probably be most peoples favourite goal this season.

 

 

Good thread ending post

It's not though is it. Nolans goals have been invaluable and no ones denied that. But comparing them to what Smith or any of our other midfielders may or may not have done is irrelevant since this agrument is between Nolan and Enrique.

If you've watched a lot of games this season and you feel Nolan's goals are more deserving of winning the vote than Enrique's performances then fair enough, I dissagree but there's nothing wrong with that.

 

My initial argument was with you CT anyway because you praised Nolan's performances (I think you're pretty much alone on that one) which wouldn't have even had Nolan in the running to win this poll.

 

I'd actually argue Nolan contributed more than just his goals tbf. Also is it fair to ask how we did when Enrique was out the team? Iirc we did alright.

 

As has been pointed out though, I think there's confusion over who was most important/who was best. Enrique comfortably wins the latter category and is now probably our most valuable player in monetary terms. But he still has to prove it in the PL.

Personally I was impressed with Ricky in the premiership anyway (especially the second half of last season when I thought he was comfortably our best player in very difficult circumstances) but that's a different discussion.

I'd have to take up an argument about what else Nolan has contributed other than his goals (and his leadership both on and off the pitch which I've also already aknowledged). For me his general play is pedestrian beyond belief. He constantly looks like he's running through glue meaning that he's either late or no where to be seen when he's needed to defend and his passing is of a similar standard to Smith.

With regards to how we did when Ricky was out of the team, you could level this argument at anyone baring in mind we've only lost four games and the only bad spell we've had all season was around the Scunthorpe/Forrest away time. And the biggest missing players then were both Taylor and Colo.

[David Kelly 1260]

Think Nolan won me over in terms of performances over the last two months or so. It's become apparent that Smith rather than him was the problem with the lack of football being played. He's looked a lot better in his allround play alongside Guthrie in the middle. I would reiterate that he got my nod in terms of importance to the side. If you're on about marks out of ten or whatever over the season it would be Enrique without a doubt. Enrique is also a much better player and I'd agree with Tooj that it would be the right time to sell Nolan.

I have a season ticket as well btw

That's ok then Alex, your opinon counts

 

With regards to Nolan's performances over the last two months (and btw is this not backing up part of my argument when you consider his performances prior to that?), do you not think the introduction of Routledge is a major factor here? With him and Jonas both playing we can stretch the play and attack down both flanks (somthing we struggled with when one of Gutherie, Barton or Raylor were playing there).

If Smith had been playing alongside Gutherie during this period we may well have seen similar improvements from him.

Good point. Routledge was just what we needed in January as Jonas was the only proper wide man (I know there's Pancrate but he's obviously not considered good enough by Hughton - or me). He definitely gave a greater attacking impetus to the side just when we looked like we might get overhauled by West Brom and / or Forest. I don't think Smith would've scored as many goals mind

Don't think you would get an argument from Smith's mother about that one!

[Guest alex]

The only problem I had with Enrique in the PL was his trying to play football all the time when a hoof would've been better. Although more often than not that was a lack of ability on the part of his fellow players.