Liverpool up for sale

[Kevin 1]

If you take away Bill Shankly and Paisley's achievements, Torres/Gerrard and a plastic following of gloryhunting wanks, who I certainly don't want at my club, could you please tell me in the difference basic bricks and mortar between Newcastle United and Liverpool if you were an investor.

 

Edit - on second thought you're right, we have Alan Smith and Shola Ameobi, fuck Gerrard and Torres.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Kevin

[Craig 6682]

Even the finest building the Liverbuilding looks shite though. The city centre even is pretty derelict. No where is in need more of further investment in my view.

 

With regard to me needing an education, expand on that please.

 

tbf Stevie as you know I go there quite regularly and I think that while it has gone places that are an absolute shit-hole, there's some fantastic architecture there too. The Mann Island / Strand / 3 Graces / Albert Dock area is stunning and is on a par with some of the better areas of our city.

 

Does it need further investment? Of course but which city (particualrly in the north of this country) doesn't?

 

Big problem with Liverpool is a massive amount of land, particularly to the west of the city centre is owned by Mersey Docks & Harbour and as industrial land, they're not willing to throw any money at it. It's outside the jurisdiction of the council so what can be done?

 

They're also finally getting around to sorting out the garden festival site which has laid abandoned for 26 years.

 

The city centre (presume you mean the shopping area) has had massive investment in recent years with the development of Liverpool One which has brought the city centre right down to the waterfront. It's a million times better than it was.

 

EDIT: My opinion of the Catholic Cathedral was similar to yours until I actually went inside it recently. Magnificent architecture and a truly stunning unique building. The crypt of the original catholic catherdral (the design they abandoned) is even better and the location of the Liverpool Beer Festival I'm led to believe

[Renton 21392]

I can only assume Stevie was last there when they were building Liverpool one with his derelict comment, it doesn't make any sense otherwise.

 

I like the area around Hope street the most, some great pubs that you'd miss if you're not familiar with the city. Tbf both Liverpool and Manchester are cities I'd be happy enough living in although I prefer Newcastle.

[Craig 6682]

Agree about your comments on the North (probably North East) of the centre Renton. The areas such as Anfield, Walton, Norris Green, Kensington, Bootle & Croxteth are just fucking horrid tbh.

 

Better areas are further out - Crosby, Waterloo, Netherton and as you point out, the vacinity of the Cathedrals - Hope Street, Chinatown etc. Ironically Hope Street leads onto Upper Parliament Street in Toxteth which is of course where the riots were back in the early 80s. A different place altogether these days though.

[Pacinofan 0]

Even the finest building the Liverbuilding looks shite though. The city centre even is pretty derelict. No where is in need more of further investment in my view.

 

With regard to me needing an education, expand on that please.

 

tbf Stevie as you know I go there quite regularly and I think that while it has gone places that are an absolute shit-hole, there's some fantastic architecture there too. The Mann Island / Strand / 3 Graces / Albert Dock area is stunning and is on a par with some of the better areas of our city.

 

Does it need further investment? Of course but which city (particualrly in the north of this country) doesn't?

 

Big problem with Liverpool is a massive amount of land, particularly to the west of the city centre is owned by Mersey Docks & Harbour and as industrial land, they're not willing to throw any money at it. It's outside the jurisdiction of the council so what can be done?

 

They're also finally getting around to sorting out the garden festival site which has laid abandoned for 26 years.

 

The city centre (presume you mean the shopping area) has had massive investment in recent years with the development of Liverpool One which has brought the city centre right down to the waterfront. It's a million times better than it was.

 

EDIT: My opinion of the Catholic Cathedral was similar to yours until I actually went inside it recently. Magnificent architecture and a truly stunning unique building. The crypt of the original catholic catherdral (the design they abandoned) is even better and the location of the Liverpool Beer Festival I'm led to believe

 

 

A pretty accurate post Craig. You're right about that land, although Peel Holdings bought it from MDHB a number of years ago and have it earmarked for their Liverpool Waters project which is supposedly a 50 year plan. There's not a great deal of confidence in Peel it has to be said.

 

The bad areas you mention also have their nice parts, like all places. Council estates anywhere in the country will always be brought down by the minority of bad residents, but outside of these areas most towns have their nice parts. Netherton used to come under Bootle council until the re-organisation of councils, and was used as a Bootle overspill. Bootle was also one of the worst hit places in the country during WW11 so from that premise they've done reasonably well.

 

The Festival site is an eyesore and will take a lot of clearing to get it back to a semblence of what it was. It has it's good side though because it adjoins Otterspool Prom, which is a riverside walk and a large area of parkland just a five minute drive from the Pier Head.

[peasepud 59]

At the end of the day, theyve all got curly hair and 'taches..... and thats just the lasses.

[Guest Barrack Road]

At the end of the day, theyve all got curly hair and 'taches..... and thats just the lasses.

Agree.

[Craig 6682]

The Festival site is an eyesore and will take a lot of clearing to get it back to a semblence of what it was. It has it's good side though because it adjoins Otterspool Prom, which is a riverside walk and a large area of parkland just a five minute drive from the Pier Head.

 

You mean 'dogging central'??

[Rob W 0]

Liverpool had a short period so prosperity when people were going by boat to the colonies and the States

 

they had a great docks area but the thieving & "spanish practices" became too much and they were bypassed by the container revolution

 

Manchester was always the regional capital

 

It probably has a future as as sea side retirement place in hundred years when most of it has fallen down - otherwise its best thought of as an unofficial concentration camp for the poor

[Craig 6682]

Liverpool had a short period so prosperity when people were going by boat to the colonies and the States

 

they had a great docks area but the thieving & "spanish practices" became too much and they were bypassed by the container revolution

 

Manchester was always the regional capital

 

It probably has a future as as sea side retirement place in hundred years when most of it has fallen down - otherwise its best thought of as an unofficial concentration camp for the poor

 

 

Oh aye so the 30-odd million tonnes of cargo a year that they deal with is all imagination is it? Christ, when was the last time you were there?

[acrossthepond 874]

Liverpool had a short period so prosperity when people were going by boat to the colonies and the States

 

they had a great docks area but the thieving & "spanish practices" became too much and they were bypassed by the container revolution

 

Manchester was always the regional capital

 

It probably has a future as as sea side retirement place in hundred years when most of it has fallen down - otherwise its best thought of as an unofficial concentration camp for the poor

 

 

Oh aye so the 30-odd million tonnes of cargo a year that they deal with is all imagination is it? Christ, when was the last time you were there?

 

Late December back in '63.

[Billy Castell 0]

Let's see, we have a club being kept afloat by the £300m bank debt being renegotiated almost annually, a stadium that is at least 20,000 seats short of its ideal capacity, and no room to extend, two co-owners who will do anything to get at the other man, and a squad of average players who need to be shipped out very soon. Oh yes, and a tactically inept twat of a manager who has spunked over £100m on mediocrity and will cost £15m-20m to sack. That sounds like a bargain doesn't it?

 

Anyone who buys Liverpool right now must either be mental and/or so rich that the £500m+ needed to build a new stadium, clear debts etc. is pocket money.

[Barney 0]

Well they aren't selling out home games now, otherwise spot on.

 

There's some good 1st team players and a well established academy there though. They also have a good reputation internationally, which may attract buyers.

[Pacinofan 0]

The Festival site is an eyesore and will take a lot of clearing to get it back to a semblence of what it was. It has it's good side though because it adjoins Otterspool Prom, which is a riverside walk and a large area of parkland just a five minute drive from the Pier Head.

 

You mean 'dogging central'??

 

 

Yea, that an all

[Pacinofan 0]

Liverpool had a short period so prosperity when people were going by boat to the colonies and the States

 

they had a great docks area but the thieving & "spanish practices" became too much and they were bypassed by the container revolution

 

Manchester was always the regional capital

 

It probably has a future as as sea side retirement place in hundred years when most of it has fallen down - otherwise its best thought of as an unofficial concentration camp for the poor

 

 

Oh aye so the 30-odd million tonnes of cargo a year that they deal with is all imagination is it? Christ, when was the last time you were there?

 

Late December back in '63.

 

 

Not always Rob W but it is now. Since the IRA bomb they have gone from strength to strength and now claim themselves to be the second city of the UK. This is helped by the government who want to make Manchester the capital of the north, not just North West, their Whitehall of the north if you will. Manchester has sold itself superbly over the last 20 years, it doesn't matter if what they say isn't strictly true, it's the perception that counts and I wish Liverpool authorities had been as successful at it. Greater Manchester also has 7 or 8 districts who all sing from the same hymn sheet, unlike Liverpools who have petty squabbles about who should get the lions share.

 

The likes of Liverpool, Newcastle and other Northern cities only get a few crumbs in the hope that we won't notice what's going on, but being on our doorstep and sharing the same development agency Liverpool has a birds eye view and is poweless to stop it so it seems. There's one instance that you'll know about because I think your city bid for it, not sure. The super casino. Out of all the places that bid for it Blackpool looked to be the obvious choice. In dire need of investment, a holiday town with plenty of hotel rooms and all of the infrastructure that something like a super casino would need. With a boost like that it could have began to grow and maybe a couple of decades down the line it would have been the UK's answer to Las Vegas. Manchester was picked. It went tits up because of the outcry and now nobody is getting it.

 

All cities have their ups and downs Rob W, Liverpool is on the up.

[Park Life 71]

Let's see, we have a club being kept afloat by the £300m bank debt being renegotiated almost annually, a stadium that is at least 20,000 seats short of its ideal capacity, and no room to extend, two co-owners who will do anything to get at the other man, and a squad of average players who need to be shipped out very soon. Oh yes, and a tactically inept twat of a manager who has spunked over £100m on mediocrity and will cost £15m-20m to sack. That sounds like a bargain doesn't it?

 

Anyone who buys Liverpool right now must either be mental and/or so rich that the £500m+ needed to build a new stadium, clear debts etc. is pocket money.

 

I'm practically licking my lips as to what is about to transpire. hee hee

[OTF 7280]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

[LeazesMag 0]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

 

 

you are correct, but unfortunately the PROFILE of the club was raised to something of the correct levels by the despicable and embarrassing Halls and Shepherd and has been lowered by the much wanted and celebrated replacement by them of Ashley.

[OTF 7280]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

 

 

you are correct, but unfortunately the PROFILE of the club was raised to something of the correct levels by the despicable and embarrassing Halls and Shepherd and has been lowered by the much wanted and celebrated replacement by them of Ashley.

 

The profile certainly was raised under the Halls and Shepherd, however it also fell a long way from it's peak under them. Granted it has fallen significantly further in a significantly shorter period under Ashley. Chelsea and Man City are in the process of showing that all it takes is a few season of excellent performance for excellent players to want to play for the side. Once that happens the supporter numbers both in town, but more-so out of town will flourish. The downside to this is the number of wankers supporting your club increases ten-fold (if Chelsea and Manchester City are anything to go off).

[Renton 21392]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

 

 

you are correct, but unfortunately the PROFILE of the club was raised to something of the correct levels by the despicable and embarrassing Halls and Shepherd and has been lowered by the much wanted and celebrated replacement by them of Ashley.

 

The profile certainly was raised under the Halls and Shepherd, however it also fell a long way from it's peak under them. Granted it has fallen significantly further in a significantly shorter period under Ashley. Chelsea and Man City are in the process of showing that all it takes is a few season of excellent performance for excellent players to want to play for the side. Once that happens the supporter numbers both in town, but more-so out of town will flourish. The downside to this is the number of wankers supporting your club increases ten-fold (if Chelsea and Manchester City are anything to go off).

 

In Chelsea and City's case it's nowt to do with 'excellent performances', they have been backed by multibillionaires and have bought their success (not much success yet in the case of City) by paying massively over the odds for mercenaries. The days when clubs can do that may be drawing to a close in any case, and personally I really hope so. I'd actually hate that to happen to us, it'd be like bribing someone for a job rather than get it on your own merit.

 

Leazes, you should accept we were not an attractive prospect at the time the Halls fled the club. We had a manager who specialises in mediocrity, a poor first team squad, a bloated wage bill, no realistic hope of further European qualifiacation, and a huge amount of unsustainable debt. Oh, and despite the Hall and Shepherd good years, we had won less than Middlesbrough - compare that with Liverpool.

[Christmas Tree 4709]

10, 9, 8, 7.......

[LeazesMag 0]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

 

 

you are correct, but unfortunately the PROFILE of the club was raised to something of the correct levels by the despicable and embarrassing Halls and Shepherd and has been lowered by the much wanted and celebrated replacement by them of Ashley.

 

The profile certainly was raised under the Halls and Shepherd, however it also fell a long way from it's peak under them. Granted it has fallen significantly further in a significantly shorter period under Ashley. Chelsea and Man City are in the process of showing that all it takes is a few season of excellent performance for excellent players to want to play for the side. Once that happens the supporter numbers both in town, but more-so out of town will flourish. The downside to this is the number of wankers supporting your club increases ten-fold (if Chelsea and Manchester City are anything to go off).

 

In Chelsea and City's case it's nowt to do with 'excellent performances', they have been backed by multibillionaires and have bought their success (not much success yet in the case of City) by paying massively over the odds for mercenaries. The days when clubs can do that may be drawing to a close in any case, and personally I really hope so. I'd actually hate that to happen to us, it'd be like bribing someone for a job rather than get it on your own merit.

 

Leazes, you should accept we were not an attractive prospect at the time the Halls fled the club. We had a manager who specialises in mediocrity, a poor first team squad, a bloated wage bill, no realistic hope of further European qualifiacation, and a huge amount of unsustainable debt. Oh, and despite the Hall and Shepherd good years, we had won less than Middlesbrough - compare that with Liverpool.

 

So you think the smoggies had a better 15 years between 1993 and 2007 than we did and you would swap with them ?

 

I agree with you that football in England is going to implode but I don't accept that we did the wrong thing in trying our best to be successful on the pitch you can never do that.

[Renton 21392]

It would have to be ignorance alone that sees someone shell out that amount of cash for Liverpool when they could pickup Newcastle for substancially less, and having invested just a part of the discrepancy between the two they would have a superior squad of players available, a bigger stadium, all in a one team city. The profile of LIverpool is currently bigger of course, but all it would take is a series of impressive seasons for that to begin to change. Many football fans are unfortunately fickle.

 

 

you are correct, but unfortunately the PROFILE of the club was raised to something of the correct levels by the despicable and embarrassing Halls and Shepherd and has been lowered by the much wanted and celebrated replacement by them of Ashley.

 

The profile certainly was raised under the Halls and Shepherd, however it also fell a long way from it's peak under them. Granted it has fallen significantly further in a significantly shorter period under Ashley. Chelsea and Man City are in the process of showing that all it takes is a few season of excellent performance for excellent players to want to play for the side. Once that happens the supporter numbers both in town, but more-so out of town will flourish. The downside to this is the number of wankers supporting your club increases ten-fold (if Chelsea and Manchester City are anything to go off).

 

In Chelsea and City's case it's nowt to do with 'excellent performances', they have been backed by multibillionaires and have bought their success (not much success yet in the case of City) by paying massively over the odds for mercenaries. The days when clubs can do that may be drawing to a close in any case, and personally I really hope so. I'd actually hate that to happen to us, it'd be like bribing someone for a job rather than get it on your own merit.

 

Leazes, you should accept we were not an attractive prospect at the time the Halls fled the club. We had a manager who specialises in mediocrity, a poor first team squad, a bloated wage bill, no realistic hope of further European qualifiacation, and a huge amount of unsustainable debt. Oh, and despite the Hall and Shepherd good years, we had won less than Middlesbrough - compare that with Liverpool.

 

So you think the smoggies had a better 15 years between 1993 and 2007 than we did and you would swap with them ?

 

I agree with you that football in England is going to implode but I don't accept that we did the wrong thing in trying our best to be successful on the pitch you can never do that.

 

No to the first point and I agree to a large extent re: the second point.

[LeazesMag 0]

......... and I think that any owner, who knows the game in this country, would look beyond Liverpools trophy winning years and realise that buying Newcastle would be by far the better buy.

[Guest alex]

......... and I think that any owner, who knows the game in this country, would look beyond Liverpools trophy winning years and realise that buying Newcastle would be by far the better buy.

We'll see I suppose. I don't think either of them are good buys at the price they'll both probably cost at the minute though to be perfectly honest. The Liverpool price being quoted is insane mind.