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[LeazesMag 0]

 

Fucking class.

 

He's gone into overdrive recently, and sadly it's prompted self-examination amongst some quality posters, with: 'why do I post here?' becoming the all too common refrain. Well for me, posts like that from KSA (amongst others) are why it's worth putting up with the old dickhead. You have to laugh at him. He posts utter, non stop and endless shite but there are always magnificently entertaining posters on hand to send it up for the bollocks it is.

 

TT always the only forum for NUFC.

 

so I take it you aren't going to put your money where your mouth is

[Baggio 0]

A quick look back shows that under the old board we didn't progress in terms of league position for more than 2 seasons in a row, after that we stayed still or fell away spectacularly.

[Gemmill 44495]

we've bought 25m quid worth of players for 25m quid. I don't get you at all here. There is plenty of money left to attempt to go higher. Are you happy with 5th, is this your ultimate, or do you not agree that we could and should attempt to go higher ? Who says these players are worth more ? Who are they worth more to ? Mike Ashley, because you can bet that if any of them are sold it will not be the manager and the club who sees the money. Good business for Mike Ashley it may be......

 

I realise there are some people on this forum who are happy with 5th and think its the ultimate [obviously not the same people who booed the team the last time we only came 5th mind] but they appear to be largely non-matchgoers.

 

Seriously, as it has taken 5 years for some people to claim that I am wrong what is the problem with the reverse of this scenario ?

 

Fact is, it won't take 5 years for the club to go backwards from what is now its peak under the current approach, if they want to "progress" they will have to change it. My view is that they will not change their approach. It won't take 5 years for the club to start selling their best players for monetary reasons and the luck to run out, and despite what you are saying, I suspect you know this, like a few others who won't admit it either.

 

The majority will think its possible to move on while selling your best players and witholding the money from the manager and not backing him though. Hilarious.

 

I'm not kidding here, these are the rantings of a madman.

[Gemmill 44495]

VERY WELL.

 

FiNaLlY iT iS tImE fOr ME to reveal to YOU MY Simples question.

 

Let's see who will answer it: perhaps the so-called accountant, a financial whizz-kid--OR SO ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, if he weren't an utter shambles of a man; perhaps the so-called solicitor, with his 'ethics' and his 'morals' that he clings to like a fevered child clings to its mother's breast, desperate to suckle at her mangled teet, lest he go thirsty for another solemn hour; perhaps it will be the so-called 'STAT-MAN', this egregious sobriquet a mask for his true nature, for if he were given a title he had truly earned, it would be 'TWAT-MAN' instead of 'STAT-MAN' (this is Happy Face I am talking about in case YOU were wondering. No doubt YOU cannot cope with MY towering intellect and cannot fathom my simple and easy-to-follow points (the evidence for this need not be stated, for as of yet, YOU have not answered MY simple question)); perhaps it will be the so-called 'FISH-MAN', yet he resembles more A WORM, for he is an invertebrate coward, willing to plum depths not yet reached by the most immoral creatures on the face of the planet (asylum seekers/foreigners) in his desperate quest to prove ME wrong.

 

But then again, PERHAPS the past will repeat itself again, and my simple yet profound question will YET AGAIN go unanswered. I wonder which it will be?

 

Beautifully captures the lunacy of the man.

[LeazesMag 0]

we've bought 25m quid worth of players for 25m quid. I don't get you at all here. There is plenty of money left to attempt to go higher. Are you happy with 5th, is this your ultimate, or do you not agree that we could and should attempt to go higher ? Who says these players are worth more ? Who are they worth more to ? Mike Ashley, because you can bet that if any of them are sold it will not be the manager and the club who sees the money. Good business for Mike Ashley it may be......

 

I realise there are some people on this forum who are happy with 5th and think its the ultimate [obviously not the same people who booed the team the last time we only came 5th mind] but they appear to be largely non-matchgoers.

 

Seriously, as it has taken 5 years for some people to claim that I am wrong what is the problem with the reverse of this scenario ?

 

Fact is, it won't take 5 years for the club to go backwards from what is now its peak under the current approach, if they want to "progress" they will have to change it. My view is that they will not change their approach. It won't take 5 years for the club to start selling their best players for monetary reasons and the luck to run out, and despite what you are saying, I suspect you know this, like a few others who won't admit it either.

 

The majority will think its possible to move on while selling your best players and witholding the money from the manager and not backing him though. Hilarious.

 

I'm not kidding here, these are the rantings of a madman.

 

so much for Fish's attempt to stop all of this, for the good of the board and other people. A completely idiotic, childish reply, as usual, and that post wasn't even directed at you.

Edited April 17, 2012 by LeazesMag

[NJS 4375]

5th best Ahh, someone hit him round the head with irony stick.

 

so, as I have asked you, what will they do to consolidate it and "make progress" or qualify for europe rather more often than once every 5 years, with the 14th biggest revenues in football ? Thats assuming they still have the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

 

I'll ask again - if income/revenue is the only measure of ambition and expected level of success, why do you expect us to compete with six clubs whose income is so much higher than ours?

 

I think we can based on decent management in the same way in the past teams like Forest took on the big boys of the time but I realise its harder now.

[LeazesMag 0]

5th best Ahh, someone hit him round the head with irony stick.

 

so, as I have asked you, what will they do to consolidate it and "make progress" or qualify for europe rather more often than once every 5 years, with the 14th biggest revenues in football ? Thats assuming they still have the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

 

I'll ask again - if income/revenue is the only measure of ambition and expected level of success, why do you expect us to compete with six clubs whose income is so much higher than ours?

 

I think we can based on decent management in the same way in the past teams like Forest took on the big boys of the time but I realise its harder now.

 

Forest ? We are twice the club forest are, or were. That sums up the lower expectations in a nutshell. We aren't "taking on one of the big boys" man, we ARE one of the big boys, if we act like we should.

 

Once again, I'm amazed someone who has followed the club as long as you say, can be so naive about NUFC.

[NJS 4375]

Way to miss the point - how did Forest win the league in 77?

 

Why do you expect to better 6 teams with higher incomes?

[LeazesMag 0]

Way to miss the point - how did Forest win the league in 77?

 

Why do you expect to better 6 teams with higher incomes?

 

how many had better incomes when your man bought the club ? How did we compete and get above a club backed by a sugar daddy on numerous occasions, and buy their best player ? Don't tell me, he was a "trophy signing"

 

Forest won the league, and the European Cup, because they had a brilliant, one off manager and an equally brilliant one off assistant. Who bought quality players, irrespective of the fee to the club. because they were backed by their board of directors. It was fuck all to do with them being a "big club", because they never have been, and never will, match the support and commercial appeal of what NUFC ought to be.

Edited April 17, 2012 by LeazesMag

[trophyshy 7073]

Every thread, over and over.

 

It's a fucking joke.

[LeazesMag 0]

Every thread, over and over.

 

It's a fucking joke.

 

I'm answering his question.

[Dr Gloom 21847]

who are these self proclaimed geniuses btw? anyone got any idea?

[Gemmill 44495]

No idea. The self evident arsehole I can identify though. I wish he would either fucking off, or people would stop trying to engage sensibly with him and just focus on ridiculing him.

[Brock Manson 0]

Leazes - genuine questions intended to spark up a fresh look on it all.

 

If Ashley hadn't bought the club, do you think Fred would have seen us compete with the bigger teams in the league again?

 

Do you think Fred would ever have adopted a scouting system like the one we have now?

 

Do you think that Fred would have sured up the finances the way Ashley has done, meaning that we're currently competitive whilst not facing financial ruin?

 

You say we're now competing with the likes of Stoke et all; were you happy with Fred's man Allardyce playing for a draw away to Reading and Derby whilst we were no higher than mid table?

[LeazesMag 0]

No idea. The self evident arsehole I can identify though. I wish he would either fucking off, or people would stop trying to engage sensibly with him and just focus on ridiculing him.

 

You don't want people to engage sensibly ?

 

Why not ?

[Gemmill 44495]

Because it's a waste of their time and it encourages you to post more, which is the worst possible outcome.

[trophyshy 7073]

All points no matter what, where or who they are from lead back to YOU leazes with your monotonous entrenched diatribe.

 

No one cares if you are right or are proven to be right, just stop going on and fucking on and fucking on about it.

 

I know you won't of course, which is why IT IS BEYOND A FUCKING JOKE that the people who run this board do fuck all about it.

[LeazesMag 0]

Because it's a waste of their time and it encourages you to post more, which is the worst possible outcome.

 

and your quote earlier this morning, when I was responding to Happy Face, was what exactly ?

 

Why don't you try and explain what exactly is rubbish that I have said about the club, instead of making childish and stupid remarks like you do ?

 

I've asked you to be an adult and explain this many times now. Why not ?

[LeazesMag 0]

All points no matter what, where or who they are from lead back to YOU leazes with your monotonous entrenched diatribe.

 

No one cares if you are right or are proven to be right, just stop going on and fucking on and fucking on about it.

 

I know you won't of course, which is why IT IS BEYOND A FUCKING JOKE that the people who run this board do fuck all about it.

 

i have just answered NJS with absolutely the correct reply to his question about Forest under Clough and Taylor, and asked Gemmill to reply to what I say sensibly instead of making childish remarks like he does. Nobody forces him to make these childish and stupid remarks.

 

What else do you think I should say ?

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3859]

Leazes - genuine questions intended to spark up a fresh look on it all.

 

If Ashley hadn't bought the club, do you think Fred would have seen us compete with the bigger teams in the league again?

 

Do you think Fred would ever have adopted a scouting system like the one we have now?

 

Do you think that Fred would have sured up the finances the way Ashley has done, meaning that we're currently competitive whilst not facing financial ruin?

 

You say we're now competing with the likes of Stoke et all; were you happy with Fred's man Allardyce playing for a draw away to Reading and Derby whilst we were no higher than mid table?

 

He either A: won't answer or B: just go on about backing your manager.

[manc-mag 1]

Way to miss the point - how did Forest win the league in 77?

 

Why do you expect to better 6 teams with higher incomes?

 

LM's argument essentially scans:

 

In seasons when you've got 'surplus' cash from a transfer deal - base every single argument on strong income levels and advocate spending literally every last penny of it on replacements otherwise you're not progressive.

 

In seasons when you're in massive debt because your outgoings are far greater than your incomings - completely ignore any arguments about your inadequate income levels (income is of no consequence when the turnover is 14th highest in football you imbeciles) and keep spending money regardless of where its from (the club are one of the big boys and any bank manager will accept this statement as security for further loans).

 

In absolutely all scenarios, bang on endlessly about potential and size of the club as this automatically levels the playing field with bigger (Man U, Liverpool, Arse) or bankrolled (City, Chelsea) clubs and once again bank managers will accept this statement as security for further loans. Attack anyone who's not utterly won over by this sustainable vision for refinancing the club as: "Ashley apologists", "happy to compete with Bolton" and "utter chums"

 

Repeat ad nauseum.

 

He basically just needs to come out and say what he's always wanted to say which is that he wants the club bankrolled again to play casino football with Chelsea and City. Nowt wrong with that as a statement of desire, I'm sure most people would like Messi here, but at the end of the day thats all it is. He hasn't, as he seems to think, underpinned it with rational argument nor has he put forward anything approaching a blueprint for doing it off the clubs natural resources. Quite the opposite. What he wants needs bankrolling and he knows it the sad old clot. He just needs to be honest about it and stop wasting everyone's time and making himself look like a shambles.

[trophyshy 7073]

All points no matter what, where or who they are from lead back to YOU leazes with your monotonous entrenched diatribe.

 

No one cares if you are right or are proven to be right, just stop going on and fucking on and fucking on about it.

 

I know you won't of course, which is why IT IS BEYOND A FUCKING JOKE that the people who run this board do fuck all about it.

 

i have just answered NJS with absolutely the correct reply to his question about Forest under Clough and Taylor, and asked Gemmill to reply to what I say sensibly instead of making childish remarks like he does. Nobody forces him to make these childish and stupid remarks.

 

What else do you think I should say ?

 

There is literally no point in responding to this. You have zero self awareness.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13837]

Basically, Leazes sees progress and ambition as simply spending a load of money instead of actually making progress. Newcastle have been doing the latter without the former and it rubs up against him because it's not his viewpoint. He is completely blind to any other way of thinking about NUFC so I don't know why people even bother to try and make him see their POV.

[LeazesMag 0]

All points no matter what, where or who they are from lead back to YOU leazes with your monotonous entrenched diatribe.

 

No one cares if you are right or are proven to be right, just stop going on and fucking on and fucking on about it.

 

I know you won't of course, which is why IT IS BEYOND A FUCKING JOKE that the people who run this board do fuck all about it.

 

i have just answered NJS with absolutely the correct reply to his question about Forest under Clough and Taylor, and asked Gemmill to reply to what I say sensibly instead of making childish remarks like he does. Nobody forces him to make these childish and stupid remarks.

 

What else do you think I should say ?

 

There is literally no point in responding to this. You have zero self awareness.

 

I hope you don't start complaining when I don't answer people, especially when I'm asked the same thing by 20 people or more.

 

That was a serious question. What do you want me to say ? it's a fact that Gemmill does nothing other than make juvenile comments in response to me, so don't bother blaming me for his comments and replies. Any my response to NJS is genuine too, if he disagrees he is more than welcome to say so, and give his own views. This is what forums are all about.

[trophyshy 7073]

No forums are all about tolerating one man constantly dragging things down to his level, aren't they?

 

At least that is what the people running this board seem to believe.

 

IT IS BEYOND A JOKE.

Edited April 17, 2012 by trophyshy