Leeds United

[sniffer 0]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

[TheMoog 0]

Holy shit that was a good post

[LeazesMag 0]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

I could have written all of that. In fact I've echoed most of those sentiments myself over the years.

 

However - you are confusing "big" with "successful".

 

And - which Lee do you say was a mistake ? Gordon Lee ?

 

I presume you mean Keegan when you talk about the manager who had no backbone.

 

It is good that you at least give the Halls and Shepherd credit where it is due, they are the only owners we have had that wanted more than one or two players to idolise and realised you needed more than that and did their best. This is where I have tried to make others understand, who didn't appreciate this.

 

Unlucky ? Maybe. I suppose we are. Frustrating but there is fuck all we can do. I am more or less resigned now to accepting that my life is going to be spent encompassing the only era where Newcastle United didn't win a domestic trophy and I was there to see it.

 

You are spot on about Souness as a player too. We also wanted Alan Hansen. The managers in question there were Gordon Lee and the schoolteacher Dinnis by the way. I have a feeling you are writing off Gordon Lee, he was a manager too good for Newcastle and came in at the wrong time, they should have backed him.

[sniffer 0]

You could've, LM. But you didn't.

 

Yes, Francis Lee was a huge mistake. That could've been us instead of citeh with a couple more signings.

 

No, I didn't write of Gordon Lee. He wrote us off. He did OK at Everton for a few years.

[sniffer 0]

Right. I'd forgotten about Alan Hansen. I also seem to recall we looked at Andy Gray when he was at Dundee United but we never...........you know the rest.

[Craig 6700]

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well.

 

I'll give you another - late 1987. McKeag wouldn't cough up £700K for Peter Schmeichel who McFaul desperately wanted to sign after having him on trial. Yet 6 months later (with Gazza money in his hand) he sanctioned the £850K purchase of that donkey Dave Beasant.

 

McKeag's response after we flogged Beasant to Chelsea for a loss a mere 6 months later? He didn't want to risk the amount on a foreigner but was quite happy to with a player proven in this league. Course his knowledge of goalkeeping was so much more superior to that of McFaul...

[LeazesMag 0]

You could've, LM. But you didn't.

 

Yes, Francis Lee was a huge mistake. That could've been us instead of citeh with a couple more signings.

 

No, I didn't write of Gordon Lee. He wrote us off. He did OK at Everton for a few years.

 

 

I've agreed with most of what you say over the years though

 

Wasn't sure if you mean't Rob Lee, Gordon Lee, or Francis Lee. Yes I agree with you there too.

 

Gordon Lee did very well at Everton, and was much maligned at Newcastle too. He didn't win a trophy at Everton, but took over when they were fighting relegation, and in 4 years finished 3rd once and 4th twice, and reached 2 Cup Finals. He also put into place the youth system which gave them Southall, Sharp, Stevens, Mountfield, Sheedy, Ratcliffe ie the backbone of the team that won 2 league titles, an FA Cup and Cup Winners Cup under Howard Kendall.

 

I would say re your previous comments that clubs who attempt to build successful teams are acting big, which for the most part Newcastle United haven't done, but we ARE a big club because of our support and the potential, the mackems are also a big club one of the biggest too. It isn't the fault of the supporters waiting for success that the 2 clubs have not been managed well for the most part.

 

Edit.

 

Re the subject of this thread. Leeds Utd were very successful under Don Revie, and Notts Forest were under Clough. The managers made them progressive clubs and successful ones but it doesn't mean they are bigger clubs. Neither of those clubs are among the biggest in the country, despite the fact that they had periods when they won cups including the title. These achievements were in spite of not even filling their smaller grounds, which tells you everything. Newcastle would fill an 80,000 stadium with home support alone if they won things, we would have done it in the Keegan years to proveit, and the mackems would fill a big stadium too.

Edited July 26, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Kitman 2207]

Holy shit that was a good post

[Guest Gordon McKeag]

You could've, LM. But you didn't.

 

Yes, Francis Lee was a huge mistake. That could've been us instead of citeh with a couple more signings.

 

No, I didn't write of Gordon Lee. He wrote us off. He did OK at Everton for a few years.

 

 

I've agreed with most of what you say over the years though

 

Wasn't sure if you mean't Rob Lee, Gordon Lee, or Francis Lee. Yes I agree with you there too.

 

Gordon Lee did very well at Everton, and was much maligned at Newcastle too. He didn't win a trophy at Everton, but took over when they were fighting relegation, and in 4 years finished 3rd once and 4th twice, and reached 2 Cup Finals. He also put into place the youth system which gave them Southall, Sharp, Stevens, Mountfield, Sheedy, Ratcliffe ie the backbone of the team that won 2 league titles, an FA Cup and Cup Winners Cup under Howard Kendall.

 

I would say re your previous comments that clubs who attempt to build successful teams are acting big, which for the most part Newcastle United haven't done, but we ARE a big club because of our support and the potential, the mackems are also a big club one of the biggest too. It isn't the fault of the supporters waiting for success that the 2 clubs have not been managed well for the most part.

 

Edit.

 

Re the subject of this thread. Leeds Utd were very successful under Don Revie, and Notts Forest were under Clough. The managers made them progressive clubs and successful ones but it doesn't mean they are bigger clubs. Neither of those clubs are among the biggest in the country, despite the fact that they had periods when they won cups including the title. These achievements were in spite of not even filling their smaller grounds, which tells you everything. Newcastle would fill an 80,000 stadium with home support alone if they won things, we would have done it in the Keegan years to proveit, and the mackems would fill a big stadium too.

Exactly which smashes the Yorkshiremans argument to pieces. They done a survey in 1997, and I remember Douglas Hall saying the results of their survey suggested Newcastle would have no trouble filling a 100,000 capacity stadium if they could maintain the relative levels of success (challenging for the title/CL) they had then. That utterly blows everyone out of the water other than Man Utd, and possibly Arsenal. You compare that to Leeds and I find it insulting there is a comparison in those terms.

 

As for Sniffer's point about mismanagement and nearly stories, everyones aware of all of them, it doesn't change the fact we will always be a far far bigger and more significant club locally and nationally than t'Leeds Yowhnaatud. I've never heard the story about Francis Lee before, but my dad told me a story that Cloughie was once quoted as saying he would've walked to Newcastle to become our manager. We've always been THE sleeping giant of the English game by a million miles since the fifties, everyones aware of it and comparisons with a nothing club like Leeds I find disrespectful in the extreme.

[Guest alex]

You could've, LM. But you didn't.

Good post btw.

[Sima 0]

You could've, LM. But you didn't.

 

Yes, Francis Lee was a huge mistake. That could've been us instead of citeh with a couple more signings.

 

No, I didn't write of Gordon Lee. He wrote us off. He did OK at Everton for a few years.

 

 

I've agreed with most of what you say over the years though

 

Wasn't sure if you mean't Rob Lee, Gordon Lee, or Francis Lee. Yes I agree with you there too.

 

Gordon Lee did very well at Everton, and was much maligned at Newcastle too. He didn't win a trophy at Everton, but took over when they were fighting relegation, and in 4 years finished 3rd once and 4th twice, and reached 2 Cup Finals. He also put into place the youth system which gave them Southall, Sharp, Stevens, Mountfield, Sheedy, Ratcliffe ie the backbone of the team that won 2 league titles, an FA Cup and Cup Winners Cup under Howard Kendall.

 

I would say re your previous comments that clubs who attempt to build successful teams are acting big, which for the most part Newcastle United haven't done, but we ARE a big club because of our support and the potential, the mackems are also a big club one of the biggest too. It isn't the fault of the supporters waiting for success that the 2 clubs have not been managed well for the most part.

 

Edit.

 

Re the subject of this thread. Leeds Utd were very successful under Don Revie, and Notts Forest were under Clough. The managers made them progressive clubs and successful ones but it doesn't mean they are bigger clubs. Neither of those clubs are among the biggest in the country, despite the fact that they had periods when they won cups including the title. These achievements were in spite of not even filling their smaller grounds, which tells you everything. Newcastle would fill an 80,000 stadium with home support alone if they won things, we would have done it in the Keegan years to proveit, and the mackems would fill a big stadium too.

Exactly which smashes the Yorkshiremans argument to pieces. They done a survey in 1997, and I remember Douglas Hall saying the results of their survey suggested Newcastle would have no trouble filling a 100,000 capacity stadium if they could maintain the relative levels of success (challenging for the title/CL) they had then. That utterly blows everyone out of the water other than Man Utd, and possibly Arsenal. You compare that to Leeds and I find it insulting there is a comparison in those terms.

 

As for Sniffer's point about mismanagement and nearly stories, everyones aware of all of them, it doesn't change the fact we will always be a far far bigger and more significant club locally and nationally than t'Leeds Yowhnaatud. I've never heard the story about Francis Lee before, but my dad told me a story that Cloughie was once quoted as saying he would've walked to Newcastle to become our manager. We've always been THE sleeping giant of the English game by a million miles since the fifties, everyones aware of it and comparisons with a nothing club like Leeds I find disrespectful in the extreme.

 

Stopped reading there tbh

[Dr Gloom 22142]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

[Guest Gordon McKeag]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

[Dr Gloom 22142]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

 

on what grounds?

 

i was born in newcastle general and lived in the area until i was 17. does that mean i should stop supporting them now i live in london and start following crystal palace?

 

in my view, you support the club you watch as a boy, or the one you inherit from your family. but a club is for life. once you start supporting a club, you're stuck with them.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Dr Gloom

[Guest Gordon McKeag]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

 

on what grounds?

 

i was born in newcastle general and lived in the area until i was 17. does that mean i should stop supporting them now i live in london and start following crystal palace?

 

in my view, you support the club you watch as a boy, or the one you inherit from your family. but a club is for life. once you start supporting a club, you're stuck with them.

Is that where you live? Explains everything boring Thornton Heath, Croydon, Penge...no one should live there through choice.

[Dr Gloom 22142]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

 

on what grounds?

 

i was born in newcastle general and lived in the area until i was 17. does that mean i should stop supporting them now i live in london and start following crystal palace?

 

in my view, you support the club you watch as a boy, or the one you inherit from your family. but a club is for life. once you start supporting a club, you're stuck with them.

Is that where you live? Explains everything boring Thornton Heath, Croydon, Penge...no one should live there through choice.

 

i live in dulwich. palace are my local club.

 

didn't answer my question. do you really think i should drop newcastle just because i don't live there anymore?

[Guest Gordon McKeag]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

 

on what grounds?

 

i was born in newcastle general and lived in the area until i was 17. does that mean i should stop supporting them now i live in london and start following crystal palace?

 

in my view, you support the club you watch as a boy, or the one you inherit from your family. but a club is for life. once you start supporting a club, you're stuck with them.

Is that where you live? Explains everything boring Thornton Heath, Croydon, Penge...no one should live there through choice.

 

i live in dulwich. palace are my local club.

 

didn't answer my question. do you really think i should drop newcastle just because i don't live there anymore?

No you're entitled in the same way gurkas are entitled to live in the UK, but it explains how you're so out of touch.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Gordon McKeag

[Dr Gloom 22142]

If you want to believe that having gates of 50,000 makes us a big club then go ahead. You are the owner's delight. Who needs to actually win a trophy to be called successful? Not us.

 

Like I've already said, there's plenty of examples over the years of decisions that could've changed Newcastle's history if they had a board with ambition, less mismanagement, fewer absurd decisions and, admittedly more than our share of bad luck. Only for a handful of years under Hall and Shepherd did we look like putting together a team of players that could win as opposed to a team that had some good players but not enough of them to trouble the big teams.

 

I'll give you a classic example of lack of ambition that sums Newcastle up over the years. 1966. We sign Wyn Davies from Bolton. It was supposed to be a double deal that included Francis Lee and everybody knew that Lee was a cracking player. Except for the pirate who wouldn't spend the extra cash to bring him as well. Why pay that bit more to bring in the quality that goes with a big name centreforward and actually aim for success. Fuck that, we'll pack them in anyway we don't actually need to win the league and we can stash the cash. Lack of ambition...exactly what Bryan Robson said when he left for West Ham. We didn't build on the Fairs Cup win. Since then fuck all. Get one big name player in, fans will roll up. Problem over the years is that we've never taken advantage of being in a position where two, three or four players turn you from a decent team into one that wins. Instead, we are more likely to sell the players that have put us on the verge of bigger things. Alan Suddick (although that deal probably saved us from relegation), Robson, MacDonald,Terry MacDermott, Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass ....the list goes on even before you even get to Waddle, Gascoigne, Beardsley. We didn't build, we sold.

 

Miserable bastards that screwed us over for years like McKeag and Westwood. Gordon Lee treating us as shit. Gullit dropping Shearer against the mackems and not giving Lee a squad number.......

 

Absurd decisions. Apart from Lee which is one of the biggest mistakes ever, we didn't sign Graeme Souness when he was going to join us before Liverpool. Appointing a school teacher as manager because the players liked him and wondering why it went wrong. McFaul signing a forward line of midgets and wondering why it went wrong. A fucking decade of wank managers. Who in their fucking right mind sells your main striker who scores goals for fun to your main rival? Where he continued to do it. No big club would've kept a player like ameobi on their books, much less give him a new contract. Giving up on Jon Dahl Tommasson.............wasting money right left and centre on shite players too many to name.

 

Bad luck. Tony Green's injury.Shearer's injury. Graham fucking Fenton having his one good day against us. Being on the telly against Hereford so we can see that goal every year. The one manager that could've possibly got us over the hump turns out to have no backbone when push came to shove.

 

 

These are just some examples over the years that could've dramatically changed our history. Not taking advantage of opportunities when they were there...but cost a bit of cash. Big teams don't make these mistakes or at least, not as consistently as Newcastle. Just having gates of 50,000 doesn't make you a big club. Just a well supported club. Trophies make clubs big providing they build on the success. That's also why flash in the pan, one off cup winners are not big big clubs as there is no continuity.

 

It seems to me that too many Newcastle fans confuse success with taking part and now are willing to settle for that. Thats not what a big club is all about. Winning is what matters.

 

i think it's sad that we're so starved of success that some resort to gloating about our attendences on other fans' message boards. makes some sections of our support look a bit pathetic really.

 

we should be proud of our loyal support but you never won anything just because you have a big crowd. we are a big club but we can't bang on to spurs supporters about being bigger than them at the moment. a few years back when we were top 4 and they were struggling we had a case, now the roles have been reversed we should pipe down.

You're another who should fuck off and support your local club.

 

on what grounds?

 

i was born in newcastle general and lived in the area until i was 17. does that mean i should stop supporting them now i live in london and start following crystal palace?

 

in my view, you support the club you watch as a boy, or the one you inherit from your family. but a club is for life. once you start supporting a club, you're stuck with them.

Is that where you live? Explains everything boring Thornton Heath, Croydon, Penge...no one should live there through choice.

 

i live in dulwich. palace are my local club.

 

didn't answer my question. do you really think i should drop newcastle just because i don't live there anymore?

No you're entitled in the same way gurkas are entitled to live in the UK, but it explains how you're so out of touch.

 

[sniffer 0]

I assume you are laughing at him, rather than with him.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Holy shit that was a good post

It was alright.

 

Two unnecessary digs at KK took the shine off it for me. We were in danger of becoming one-dimensional with Cole so selling him for Gillespie then buying Sir Les with the money was fine by me. Also, you cannot say he lacks backbone. If anything he stands up for his principals too much.

[Dr Gloom 22142]

I assume you are laughing at him, rather than with him.

 

bit of both tbh.

[sniffer 0]

[sniffer 0]

I dont usually get involved in these little tete a tetes but it has to be pointed out that sniffer was the nickname of Alan Clark, centre forward for Don Revie's Leeds

Perhaps you shouldn't get involved if you can't get it right. Even when you have google to help you out.

 

Mick Jones was the centre forward.

[Kitman 2207]

I dont usually get involved in these little tete a tetes but it has to be pointed out that sniffer was the nickname of Alan Clark, centre forward for Don Revie's Leeds

Perhaps you shouldn't get involved if you can't get it right. Even when you have google to help you out.

 

Mick Jones was the centre forward.

 

Wasn't sniffer Alan Smith's nickname at Leeds? Or am I wide of the mark?

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

I dont usually get involved in these little tete a tetes but it has to be pointed out that sniffer was the nickname of Alan Clark, centre forward for Don Revie's Leeds

Perhaps you shouldn't get involved if you can't get it right. Even when you have google to help you out.

 

Mick Jones was the centre forward.

 

Wasn't sniffer Alan Smith's nickname at Leeds? Or am I wide of the mark?

Smudger iirc. Or was that the Arsenal one?