SJH speaks

[The Fish 10970]

Leazes man haway mate give it a rest eh?

 

ahhh Grasshopper, you are young, but you will learn.

 

the lady's not for turning.

 

Fish your a sound guy but dont patronise me fella.

 

For all Leazes makes a good point that point only needs to be made ONCE. Not once per day, over and over and over again incessantly trying his best to make others conform to his opinion.

 

You misread me fella, I meant Leazes will never, ever, give it a rest. This is his most favourite rant and he shall not ever drop it. I was actually mocking him, not you.

[Deano 0]

Leazes man haway mate give it a rest eh?

 

ahhh Grasshopper, you are young, but you will learn.

 

the lady's not for turning.

 

Fish your a sound guy but dont patronise me fella.

 

For all Leazes makes a good point that point only needs to be made ONCE. Not once per day, over and over and over again incessantly trying his best to make others conform to his opinion.

 

You misread me fella, I meant Leazes will never, ever, give it a rest. This is his most favourite rant and he shall not ever drop it. I was actually mocking him, not you.

 

Fish...ma'man "ahhh Grasshopper, you are young, but you will learn" is in fact condesending AND patronising in the fact you insinuate that my age (and im 24) means that i dont know that the world spins round.

 

I knew your latter comment was directed at Leazes.

[The Fish 10970]

... well I think you've taken yourself way too seriously fella.

 

the remark was you are inexperienced when it comes to the stubbornness of Leazes, not you are young. I think you've taken it west

[peasepud 59]

... well I think you've taken yourself way too seriously fella.

 

the remark was you are inexperienced when it comes to the stubbornness of Leazes, not you are young. I think you've taken it west

 

Just a fucking bit

 

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

[Kitman 2207]

... well I think you've taken yourself way too seriously fella.

 

the remark was you are inexperienced when it comes to the stubbornness of Leazes, not you are young. I think you've taken it west

 

To be fair Geordie Lad is way too young to get the reference to David Carradine's mentor in Kung Fu. I on the other hand can consider the ripples on the pond.......

 

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Anyone who thinks a seller should do due diligence on buyer is just really really naive and misguided.

 

If someone is prepared to invest £135m of personal wealth into something, that is usually enough to suggest good intentions. Criticising Hall for this is absurd.

 

OK I accept that due diligence is perhaps wrong. I do seem to recall that Hall said that Mike Ashley was the best person to take this club forward - a view that he has yet to deviate from. That kind of sticks in throat a bit but yes, it does cloud sensible opinion...

 

 

Peaks and troughs dear Craig, peaks and troughs. Ashley wont make the same mistake twice. We're climbing out of a trough towards a peak

 

CT, what exactly is this "peak" you talk about ?

 

Profit ? Or success on the pitch ?

 

Because you - and others like you (and correct me if I am wrong) who see profit as success, can stand by for seasons of mid table placings and lots of turgid football at best in the premiership. Do you prefer this to attempting to get into europe and buying quality players like you have grown up seeing play for the club, because believe me, if you do want this again, he is going to have to spend the money, and what do you know, the Debt word will come back.

 

For my money, you and others like you, particularly those who post on NO like gejon who slated the old board for not winning the premiership and licking Ashleys arse for getting relegated and promoted back again, will soon, in fact very soon, be urging him to splash the cash when you realise its the only way he is going to do it.

 

Mistakes ? What mistakes ?

 

 

Peaks and troughs, good times and bad, highs and lows.....You know leazes, the bread and butter of most football fans.

 

It was interesting looking at the 96 league table with Craig last night to note that of the 20 teams that made up the league, only half are there now.

 

The ride under sjh and keegan was magnificent and was a perfect storm of events conspiring. It will never happen again in my lifetime. Even if we somehow got back up there and were serious contenders it would never be as good as the first time round. Now you and others like you almost expect it as a right that we should be there.

 

Last time we were the cheeky little entertainers taking the world by storm.

 

But Leazes, they are a few highs out of 40 years of considerably more lows than highs.

 

Up until recently I couldnt care less about the board or profits etc. Fat Fred was just someone who popped up in brothels or calling lasses dogs etc.

 

Following Keegan Fat Fred kept on throwing money, even future sponsorship money, chasing what in reality had become an impossible dream.

 

To me he will always be a very reactionary chairman who never planned ahead and probably wasted our best chance to establish ourselves as a proper top 6 team.

 

He wasted all the riches that came his way.

 

The one thing he should have done many, many years ago was to appoint someone in charge at the club (a david dein) who could have planned everything.

 

He didnt and ultimately it is that decision imo that has really fucked this club up.

[LeazesMag 0]

Peaks and troughs, good times and bad, highs and lows.....You know leazes, the bread and butter of most football fans.

 

It was interesting looking at the 96 league table with Craig last night to note that of the 20 teams that made up the league, only half are there now.

 

The ride under sjh and keegan was magnificent and was a perfect storm of events conspiring. It will never happen again in my lifetime. Even if we somehow got back up there and were serious contenders it would never be as good as the first time round. Now you and others like you almost expect it as a right that we should be there. [/b]

 

not a "right", but a target and a realistic one for a club like us.

 

Last time we were the cheeky little entertainers taking the world by storm.

 

But Leazes, they are a few highs out of 40 years of considerably more lows than highs.

 

the vast majority of the highs provided by the Halls and Shepherd. EXACTLY my point and always has been.

 

Up until recently I couldnt care less about the board or profits etc. Fat Fred was just someone who popped up in brothels or calling lasses dogs etc.

 

irrelevant. What matters in football above all else is what happens on the pitch, to supporters and the whole running of the club.

 

Following Keegan Fat Fred kept on throwing money, even future sponsorship money, chasing what in reality had become an impossible dream.

 

To me he will always be a very reactionary chairman who never planned ahead and probably wasted our best chance to establish ourselves as a proper top 6 team.

 

He wasted all the riches that came his way.

 

The one thing he should have done many, many years ago was to appoint someone in charge at the club (a david dein) who could have planned everything.

 

He didnt and ultimately it is that decision imo that has really fucked this club up.

 

nah, I don't agree. We did well enough under Sir Bob and he didn't have a David Dein. The mistake was appointing Souness although I will refer to NO again when I remind people that all those accountants telling us now that they overspent, were nowhere to be seen when Shepherd was being urged to splash the cash every week and throw more and more money at souness to give him time to build his team.

Edited March 18, 2010 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes man haway mate give it a rest eh?

 

ahhh Grasshopper, you are young, but you will learn.

 

the lady's not for turning.

 

Fish your a sound guy but dont patronise me fella.

 

For all Leazes makes a good point that point only needs to be made ONCE. Not once per day, over and over and over again incessantly trying his best to make others conform to his opinion.

 

You misread me fella, I meant Leazes will never, ever, give it a rest. This is his most favourite rant and he shall not ever drop it. I was actually mocking him, not you.

 

bugger off you.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

... well I think you've taken yourself way too seriously fella.

 

the remark was you are inexperienced when it comes to the stubbornness of Leazes, not you are young. I think you've taken it west

 

Just a fucking bit

 

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

 

splendidly put.

[Guest alex]

I know he did a lot of good but I feel his vision for NUFC ultimately took the heart and soul away from the club by making it a big corporate affair and severing links between the clubs and its fans, the local community etc.

And he's a Tory.

And he's a mackem.

[trophyshy 7084]

And he built the Metro Centre.

[Kitman 2207]

He has the face of a man who would steal the gold fillings from your teeth as you lay in the mortuary. Alex is right imo, he's a hypocrite to criticise the PL for distancing local fans from the game; he did his utmost to corporatise it and price out poorer fans and families when he owned it. I don't think he's ever viewed the club as much more than a cash cow and an ego trip.

[Phil 6]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

[LeazesMag 0]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

Newcastle Online comes to toontastic

 

[Craig 6700]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Sounds like the ridiculous LLambias-esque "let's draw a line under what has gone before and look forward, not back".

 

All Ashley is interested in is not losing a penny on NUFC. He doesn't give a fuck about everything else. Promotion is as important to him as it is for us but for completely different reasons.

[Phil 6]

Newcastle Online comes to toontastic

 

Care to expand on which bit particular you disagree with?

[Phil 6]

Sounds like the ridiculous LLambias-esque "let's draw a line under what has gone before and look forward, not back".

 

Guess that means i'm LLambias-esque

 

 

All Ashley is interested in is not losing a penny on NUFC. He doesn't give a fuck about everything else. Promotion is as important to him as it is for us but for completely different reasons.

 

If the club is put up for sale again in the summer i'll hold my hands up and say I was duped.

 

What do you think his orginal intention was in buying the club - money, branding, fun?

[LeazesMag 0]

Newcastle Online comes to toontastic

 

Care to expand on which bit particular you disagree with?

 

Basically full of shit and making excuses for the bloke who has taken us massively backwards and just because we are heading back - towards seasons of low ambition and relegation fights at best - trying to make out he has learned from his mistakes.

 

Utter shite.

 

We will never show the ambition we should under Ashley. He might make small profits and consider that success, but as supporters of the football club he can stick such an approach up his arse, people of my age had that for years.

 

As PP has said, its counter productive. The so called Trophy players - whoever they were and nobody complained when we were playing in the Champs League or broke the world transfer record such is this ludicrous phase from so called "knowledgeable supporters" who scorn the signing of top footballers - instantly raise profile, sell shirts and last but not least get better results on the pitch which is where the "business" starts.

 

We may be going up, but prepare for misery and frustration, seeing smaller clubs than us acting bigger.

[Craig 6700]

He may or may not put it up for sale this summer but all this notion that 'the club is no longer for sale' is frankly bullshit. If someone came along tomorrow and offered Ashley what he paid, he'd rip their hands off.

 

He certainly didn't buy the club for money - I'd say it's a mixture of fun and PR. He'd recently come into 'silly money' with the floatation af Sports Direct and had a reputation in the business world for bullying people into his decisions.

 

The biggest problem he has is his supreme arrogance and refusal to accept when he's been wrong and correct the wrong-doing - and then turns on the fans for not being onside. And why does he use that useless cock-end Llambias as his mouthpiece? The only time I've ever heard Ashley speak is in some youtube video where he says "I love Habib Beye".

[Christmas Tree 4831]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Unlike some stick in the muds on here I see myself as a quite reasonable fan.

 

Frankly there is nothing in what you say that is unreasonable and a lot of truth in it.

 

The problem is, as usual some what it to be black and white when there is shit loads of grey.

 

They'll come round (except Leazes) eventually, just like the majority of fans already have and just like the doom mongers from earlier in the season already have.

[Craig 6700]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Unlike some stick in the muds on here I see myself as a quite reasonable fan.

 

Frankly there is nothing in what you say that is unreasonable and a lot of truth in it.

 

The problem is, as usual some what it to be black and white when there is shit loads of grey.

 

They'll come round (except Leazes) eventually, just like the majority of fans already have and just like the doom mongers from earlier in the season already have.

 

I don't think there's anyone on here who could be classed as being a 'turn-coat' on this matter.

[LeazesMag 0]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Unlike some stick in the muds on here I see myself as a quite reasonable fan.

 

Frankly there is nothing in what you say that is unreasonable and a lot of truth in it.

 

The problem is, as usual some what it to be black and white when there is shit loads of grey.

 

They'll come round (except Leazes) eventually, just like the majority of fans already have and just like the doom mongers from earlier in the season already have.

 

People have slowly woken up to the fact that the Halls and Shepherd were much better than they thought at the time, despite constantly disagreeing with me when I tried to tell them.

 

I don't expect some of the Ashley supporters to admit that he has dragged the club massively downwards, even when it becomes even more obvious, say by the middle of next season when our bargain buys are struggling to stay up and we do nothing in January to help the situation other than bringing a few bargains and loans.

 

You're right, I won't come round because he won't succeed. However, if he EVER does qualify for the Champions League, then I WILL admit that I was wrong, and give due credit for it, unlike some.

[Tooj 17]

He doesn't breed very well.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Unlike some stick in the muds on here I see myself as a quite reasonable fan.

 

Frankly there is nothing in what you say that is unreasonable and a lot of truth in it.

 

The problem is, as usual some what it to be black and white when there is shit loads of grey.

 

They'll come round (except Leazes) eventually, just like the majority of fans already have and just like the doom mongers from earlier in the season already have.

 

I don't think there's anyone on here who could be classed as being a 'turn-coat' on this matter.

 

 

There were loads on here forecasting relegation etc at the start of this season.....Doom mongers. Now your still coming out with claptrap like "refusal to admit he's done wrong".....

 

The blokes come out and said he's done wrong and that he wants to put it right, which he's doing.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

None of us support our football club because they make a profit, none of us should ever be contemplating putting profit before success. I think people get the word profit and turnover mixed up. Turnover is what we should be looking for in the way of financial success not profit. Profit is what goes to the shareholders at the end of the year, turnover is what drives your club and what is needed to ensure on field success.

 

Profit simply means that someone isnt spending enough somewhere, theyre raking in cash but not investing it. You should be taking that profit and turning it into players, investing in the first team squad to ensure on field success, on field success means higher turnover, higher turnover means more to spend on the team, more to spend on the team means better players, better players means more interest from fans, more shirts sold, more names put on those shirts, more turnover, more turnover means better players, better players means a higher league position, higher league position means more turnover, more turnover means better players......repeat to fade.

 

 

We are NOT in some financial nirvana, far from it, we're sitting with debts piling up, turnover down and a quality of playing staff that resembles the likes of Wigan, Hull etc. Is that going to make kids go out and buy shirts? is it fuck. People slate the previous chairman for purchasing Owen, trophy signing etc, maybe he was but nobody could have predicted the flop he was going to be, what did happen though was that a couple of those millions we spent came straight back in with the rush to get a new shirt emblazoned with Owen 10.

 

 

How many teenagers do you think rushed out to get Best 20 done? How many grown men will that signing convince to order a Season Ticket...."look pet ah knaa we're skint but its Leon Best maaaan pet man"

 

 

I just wish people would see the financial side for what it is, we are NOT in a good financial position, gate receipts down, shirt sales down, corporate sales slashed, advertising down, sponsorship deal is 40% the amount it was last time. The only thing that keeps the wolves at bay is the fact that we've slashed our wage bill, reduced staffing in areas other than the team, cut the quality of our product and are merely living on the hope that all will be well.

 

It wont, not under this model, maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll survive in the Prem next season but thats all we will do, survival is not what I support my club for, I dont dream of telling my son that he'll love the last game of the season when we're all sitting there crapping bricks, watching the game while listening to radios to hear how Hull are doing. "The thrill of the race for 16th place, nowt compares to it son, Ive been to Camp Nou for the Champions League and its shite compared to a relegation dogfight at the JJB.This is where its at kidda, count youself lucky, when I was your age we didnt get to experience this day week in week out, oh no we were too busy trying to compete."

 

Im fairly sure in return he wont be pinning copies of the clubs balance sheet on the wall and dreaming one day of becoming an accountant so he too can make something so beautiful as a profit loaded return.

 

Your whole statment is massively flawed.

 

The old regime didn't live within their means. As a fan i was over the moon with Owen's arrival, but adding 10m debt a year meant it was a risk we simply couldn't afford to take. As custodians of the club there job was to rationalise the risk/reward, but they run it like fans, getting carried away with the hype - and rather than minimising the risk by loading his contract with clauses if we didn't make Europe they bent over and took one from his agent.

 

People who critise the old regime don't come to the match thinking its monolpoly viewing players like financial assest. They were just sick of players like Kieron 'f**kin' Dyer picking up £80k a week.... I'd love to hear you justification for Dyer being on £80k a week, as we gave him that knowing he was a sick note!

 

 

Also, I think our views of Ashley's business model is also incorrect. I dont see his aim to make us into profitable entity, just a self sufficent one. He brought in more players in January than any other club. Ok, Best may not live up to his name, but he's a player that fits our needs perfectly and you have to be a realist, there were no better players availible. Maybe Victor Moses, but his agent made my blood boil, the goon was constantly on Sky Sports bigging him up spouting rubbish about Real Madrid being interested link. Under the old regime we would have taken one from his agent to get him.

 

 

Sure Ashleys made mistakes, but I truely belive he is learning.

 

 

Unlike some stick in the muds on here I see myself as a quite reasonable fan.

 

Frankly there is nothing in what you say that is unreasonable and a lot of truth in it.

 

The problem is, as usual some what it to be black and white when there is shit loads of grey.

 

They'll come round (except Leazes) eventually, just like the majority of fans already have and just like the doom mongers from earlier in the season already have.

 

People have slowly woken up to the fact that the Halls and Shepherd were much better than they thought at the time, despite constantly disagreeing with me when I tried to tell them.

 

I don't expect some of the Ashley supporters to admit that he has dragged the club massively downwards, even when it becomes even more obvious, say by the middle of next season when our bargain buys are struggling to stay up and we do nothing in January to help the situation other than bringing a few bargains and loans.

 

You're right, I won't come round because he won't succeed. However, if he EVER does qualify for the Champions League, then I WILL admit that I was wrong, and give due credit for it, unlike some.

 

 

Leazes, you sometimes come across as reasonable and sensible, but sometimes I can only imagine you are part of the Shepherd family.

 

Its not about the Halls and Shepherds, thats history.

Ashley has dragged the club down, he's now dragging it back up.