peasepud 59 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Why? who is Man U's benefactor? Liverpools? Arsenals? Spurs? none of those clubs have benefactors, Man U have levels of debt that far surpassed anything raked up by Shepherd (although Ashley is doing his best to get to that level). If you want to go from nothing to world beaters overnight then yes, a multi billionaire who will pump in the cash is needed. If however you dont have that then you need to steadily build up a winning team, going into debt to get it but knowing that the success it brings will more than pay for it. Nobody (or at least not me) has ever said we were self sufficient under the previous regime, what we were though was pushing towards success, our problem is that at the point where we needed that final push, that bit more cash injected we lost our bottle and pulled in the reigns, it was downhill from there. I still argue that Shepherd had passed his time, he'd ran out of ideas and was never going to take us to anything like the heights he and Hall had previously however at this moment I'd crawl over broken glass and shit to carry him to Gallowgate if it meant replacing Ashley. Anyone who thinks Ashley is going to push us forward in any real capacity is simply off their tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Why? who is Man U's benefactor? Liverpools? Arsenals? Spurs? none of those clubs have benefactors, Man U have levels of debt that far surpassed anything raked up by Shepherd (although Ashley is doing his best to get to that level). If you want to go from nothing to world beaters overnight then yes, a multi billionaire who will pump in the cash is needed. If however you dont have that then you need to steadily build up a winning team, going into debt to get it but knowing that the success it brings will more than pay for it. Nobody (or at least not me) has ever said we were self sufficient under the previous regime, what we were though was pushing towards success, our problem is that at the point where we needed that final push, that bit more cash injected we lost our bottle and pulled in the reigns, it was downhill from there. I still argue that Shepherd had passed his time, he'd ran out of ideas and was never going to take us to anything like the heights he and Hall had previously however at this moment I'd crawl over broken glass and shit to carry him to Gallowgate if it meant replacing Ashley. Anyone who thinks Ashley is going to push us forward in any real capacity is simply off their tits. I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. Edited March 21, 2010 by Geordie Lad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Why? who is Man U's benefactor? Liverpools? Arsenals? Spurs? none of those clubs have benefactors, Man U have levels of debt that far surpassed anything raked up by Shepherd (although Ashley is doing his best to get to that level). If you want to go from nothing to world beaters overnight then yes, a multi billionaire who will pump in the cash is needed. If however you dont have that then you need to steadily build up a winning team, going into debt to get it but knowing that the success it brings will more than pay for it. Nobody (or at least not me) has ever said we were self sufficient under the previous regime, what we were though was pushing towards success, our problem is that at the point where we needed that final push, that bit more cash injected we lost our bottle and pulled in the reigns, it was downhill from there. I still argue that Shepherd had passed his time, he'd ran out of ideas and was never going to take us to anything like the heights he and Hall had previously however at this moment I'd crawl over broken glass and shit to carry him to Gallowgate if it meant replacing Ashley. Anyone who thinks Ashley is going to push us forward in any real capacity is simply off their tits. We shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Why? who is Man U's benefactor? Liverpools? Arsenals? Spurs? none of those clubs have benefactors, Man U have levels of debt that far surpassed anything raked up by Shepherd (although Ashley is doing his best to get to that level). If you want to go from nothing to world beaters overnight then yes, a multi billionaire who will pump in the cash is needed. If however you dont have that then you need to steadily build up a winning team, going into debt to get it but knowing that the success it brings will more than pay for it. Nobody (or at least not me) has ever said we were self sufficient under the previous regime, what we were though was pushing towards success, our problem is that at the point where we needed that final push, that bit more cash injected we lost our bottle and pulled in the reigns, it was downhill from there. I still argue that Shepherd had passed his time, he'd ran out of ideas and was never going to take us to anything like the heights he and Hall had previously however at this moment I'd crawl over broken glass and shit to carry him to Gallowgate if it meant replacing Ashley. Anyone who thinks Ashley is going to push us forward in any real capacity is simply off their tits. I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. And some hens teeth while your at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. As for consortia waiting in the wings, where? why? as was said last season, why buy when we're a Premiership club when we're a whole lot cheaper as a Championship one. Unlike last season where we argued nobody in their right mind would buy us after January now no consortia will step in after we've gone up as the price will shoot up. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Maybe thats the problem, too many of you are used to winning on the piss easy level of FIFA 10 . Im guessing you wernt really into football last time we were really shit and that must be hard for those of you who arrived with Keegan. But we were really shit before Keegan and really succesful in the 50's. As a fan and while i appreciate it may not be nice, you have to get used to enjoying football whatever league you are in. You do, I agree however you dont get so used to it that you look forward to the down season in order to experience the rush of promotion. Thats akin to a junkie going cold turkey with the express view that when he does shoot up it'll be so much more exhilerating. No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. We are one of those clubs. Fuck off man, you know exactly what I was saying about relegation and promotion and the nailbiting "excitement" of both. And with regard to No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Its fucking Moat you spanner Barry Moat and hes got less chance of buying our club that you have of getting "One Mike Ashley" chants started in the Gallowgate. I agree however that should he take over then we truly would be fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Maybe thats the problem, too many of you are used to winning on the piss easy level of FIFA 10 . Im guessing you wernt really into football last time we were really shit and that must be hard for those of you who arrived with Keegan. But we were really shit before Keegan and really succesful in the 50's. As a fan and while i appreciate it may not be nice, you have to get used to enjoying football whatever league you are in. You do, I agree however you dont get so used to it that you look forward to the down season in order to experience the rush of promotion. Thats akin to a junkie going cold turkey with the express view that when he does shoot up it'll be so much more exhilerating. No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. We are one of those clubs. Fuck off man, you know exactly what I was saying about relegation and promotion and the nailbiting "excitement" of both. And with regard to No club has a divine right to being in the top flight however some clubs have the necessary levels of support to ensure enough turnover to keep them there. I dont see how we do. We were not self sufficient Under Shepherd last few years and havent been since. We couldnt afford it keep on raking up the debts trying to keep up. Thats why us and so many others are / were really fucked. It amazes me that some seemingly sensible people on this board think that crowd size and tv money is enough to compete with the big boys. It simply is untrue. You need a benefactor these days. Those who simply think we can go back to the spend spend spend days of Shepherd are fucking clueless. A different approach is needed and if and I agree its a fucking huge if, Ashley has learnt his lesson and is interested, then he could be our best long term route back to a serious contender. I dont think there are any quick fixes however if some of you have any you should spell them out, rather than just moaning about Ashley. He is a British Multi million / soon to be billionaire, his empire is growing again, his brand fits in well for world wide promotion. Hopefully he will get it right in the summer. If not the prospect of a sale to a Barry Mort type is truly horrific. Its fucking Moat you spanner Barry Moat and hes got less chance of buying our club that you have of getting "One Mike Ashley" chants started in the Gallowgate. I agree however that should he take over then we truly would be fucked. When promoted the good (majority) will sing to drown out the bad (minority). Rumours have it he wasnt even abused once against scunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11545 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 More down to apathy and a good result that people jumping on the I love Fat Mike bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When promoted the good (majority) will sing to drown out the bad (minority). Rumours have it he wasnt even abused once against scunny Like I say, now that you deem us good enough to get your custom back then give it a go, fiver says you dont sit in the same seat twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When promoted the good (majority) will sing to drown out the bad (minority). Rumours have it he wasnt even abused once against scunny Like I say, now that you deem us good enough to get your custom back then give it a go, fiver says you dont sit in the same seat twice. NUST????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When promoted the good (majority) will sing to drown out the bad (minority). Rumours have it he wasnt even abused once against scunny Like I say, now that you deem us good enough to get your custom back then give it a go, fiver says you dont sit in the same seat twice. NUST????? NUFC. Now that youve randomly decided to end your self imposed boycott (just in time for the promotion party). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When promoted the good (majority) will sing to drown out the bad (minority). Rumours have it he wasnt even abused once against scunny Like I say, now that you deem us good enough to get your custom back then give it a go, fiver says you dont sit in the same seat twice. NUST????? NUFC. Now that youve randomly decided to end your self imposed boycott (just in time for the promotion party). Nothing random in it. You asked me too and as I always do as you say I agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 How old are you CT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4831 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 How old are you CT ? Younger than you , you old fucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 How old are you CT ? Younger than you , you old fucker you don't say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Didn't realise he'd never met Ashley when he'd accepted his offer. Certainly not the actions of a man who gives a fuck about the club. I've no interest in what he thinks should or should not be done with regards to NUFC tbh. The man bank-rolled Keegan's renaissance of the club and for that I am thankful but for the rest he can fuck off AFAIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31209 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. And losing 500k per week apparently. Now worship our savior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. And losing 500k per week apparently. Now worship our savior! Aye, a rather bizarre way of sorting our finances out. Dropping down a division and losing £25m a year. Nice one Mike. No doubt we'll see all the top sides in Europe adopting this method as the only way to see out the credit crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. And losing 500k per week apparently. Now worship our savior! Aye, a rather bizarre way of sorting our finances out. Dropping down a division and losing £25m a year. Nice one Mike. No doubt we'll see all the top sides in Europe adopting this method as the only way to see out the credit crunch. Freakanomics ftw!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. And losing 500k per week apparently. Now worship our savior! Aye, a rather bizarre way of sorting our finances out. Dropping down a division and losing £25m a year. Nice one Mike. No doubt we'll see all the top sides in Europe adopting this method as the only way to see out the credit crunch. Don't forget the comment that we are going to copy the Arsenal model of finding young players for next to nowt either. Keep it under your hat mikey in case someone else has also thought of it. Edited March 22, 2010 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giraffidae 0 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I agree with all of that but Ashley has done us a favour in a sense by the ways of trying to sort our finances out. If we are to get to where we were or even close then money needs to be invested, gambled if you like. FMA is a gambling man but when it comes to us he is a tight fisted cockney fuck. I've said it before and il say it again...i just hope there is a few consortia looking at us and prepairing a bid once we are promoted, consortia with a bit of money to take this club forward AND be ran properly and with respect for the fans. What? in the way Hitler did Germany a favour by taking them to war? Ashley has no more sorted our finances out than I have. We are more in debt now than we've ever been while our income has been slashed but hey yeah we've cut the wage bill so great, every cloud and all that. Consider this my friend, we are here in this mess until Ashley has got his pound of flesh. And losing 500k per week apparently. Now worship our savior! Aye, a rather bizarre way of sorting our finances out. Dropping down a division and losing £25m a year. Nice one Mike. No doubt we'll see all the top sides in Europe adopting this method as the only way to see out the credit crunch. Don't forget the comment that we are going to copy the Arsenal model of finding young players for next to nowt either. Keep it under your hat mikey in case someone else has also thought of it. and that chequebook manager Keegan buying players like Bassong and Guthrie — those days of excess just had to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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